I understand the argument, and I agree we shouldn't mistreat animals but I will never get why it is ok to wear a leather coat and not a fur one.

Oh, for the love of god....
This is a hot button issue, but I'm just going to say it. I don't understand why these people will throw themselves in front of a moving bus to save animals, but they will completely advocate murdering unborn children at the drop of a hat. I don't get it.
That being said, I agree with Meg, I don't understand the difference between a leather coat and a fur coat....if you're against the mistreatment of animals, then be against all of the mistreatment - including eating them and using their hides for shoes, purses, clothing, etc.
I'm sure I'm going to take a verbal lashing for this comment but all of the anti fur stuff is really starting to annoy the sh*t out of me.

RCL - I completely agree. I never quite understand why they choose to get so mad over fur, when there are people being abused and murdered. It confuses me.
I do know that the way they kill the animal for its fur is a LOT different than how they kill it for leather and food. It's completely disgusting and inhumane.
But again, people are being murdered and abused. Let's focus on that a bit, eh?

I really dont think theres anything wrong with a vintage. Its like saying the animals not worth anything now bc standards have changed.

I wonder what peta thinks of santa lol

RCL Im totally agree with you. Im so over this treat animals humanly but seriously take a look at what you eat make sure ur shoes have NO leather please and stop saying treat them humanely.. human. I think not.

I thought Stella McCartney's comment about killing and skinning her children was REALLY harsh.
Speaking of Santa, does anyone know what kind of fur he's sportin' on the suit?

someone so called this very fight last week!
I'd never buy a fur coat, but I have a vintage one my mom gave me. too bad I live in the southeast where I'll never get to wear it!
as for Santa...hhmm...its white & fluffy could be bunny!

Sashak - LOL - I live in the south too, so the whole fur debate is null here. In fact, it's 67 degrees outside right now because it's cloudy. If it were sunny, it'd be at least 75 or 80. I have no use for a fur coat of any kind, but gimme a break.

Also, DesignRchic, I'm glad you brought that up about the skinning her kids comment. Not only was it harsh, but it was completely irrational. I've noticed that when people can't really make a good argument, they try to hurl an insult or say something shocking to prove their point.

I don't really plan on ever buying a fur coat. But I don't judge people who do buy and wear them. I eat meat, I wear leather, I don't hit kids and I don't mistreat animals. Stella can cry me a river.

i am totally against animal cruelity, but if its just about fur coats and leather coats? like you guys said what about shoes? bags? or food even!... what about someone take ur child to eat them? isnt that as bad as wanting their skin? i swear sometimes people contradict themselves in weird ways

I'm so sick of this debate. Fur/No Fur. Vegan/Meat-Eater. Whatever. What's PETA's deal with attacking celebrities so much lately? Launching a new campaign?

Oh I really don't want to get the fur argumment started. It just goes round and round. But I'm with you RCL.

People give out the websites showing how the animals are killed and it's so sad and cruel boohoo. What I don't get is this, so it's okay as long as they kill treat them nicely while they are alive and kill them sweetly and "humanely"? I am confused.

Well anyway...I like meat it's yummy. It's just how I feel. Don't own a fur but I could possibly in the future. I have leather shoes and a belt. They were on sale what's a girl to do?? LOL

What annoys me about the PETA people and anti fur activists (NOT ALL) is the fanaticism of the whole thing

I'm against fur coats,against leather coats,and against the idea to eat animasl,so KUDDOS to Stella!!

*animals*

what is with all the fur posts lately?

Kelly-

What does it mean to be against the "idea" of eating animals?

eww, she resembles that skull on her shirt...

Ive never understood why people get mad at other people that eat meat. Its there choice to not eat it but we kinda started out doing since Idk humans first walked the earth its kinda what we do..

I think the white is ferret. maybe. But bunny might be a good choice to.

lol Momo I was thinking shes looking pretty skeletal

Sorry I dont mean to fuel the debate I just think people should let other people be and mind there business.

Jaxon, that comment was hilarious: "what's a girl to do?"

Also, I would like to add that the fur/leather debate is not limited to clothing....what about leather furniture? Or horse hair seat cushions? I work in the design industry - believe me, sometimes it's bizarre the things that are concocted to sell design goods....angora wallcovering, alligator hide ottomans, cow hide rugs, etc., etc. Shagreen (sharkskin) casegoods are more popular now than they were when they were first introduced years ago. Why is PETA not boycotting Pottery Barn or Crate and Barrel?

I guess my point is this...these things are exotic, and appeal to a very high-end consumer, since they're the only ones who can spend the dough to paper an entire room in rabbit hair, or own a coat made out of some rare and exotic animal. (FYI, watercolor paper contains rabbit hair too - it's called "rag".) I just get so tired of the (glaring) double standard when it comes to the treatment of animals and the treatment of our own children.

t0x-that the fanaticism I'm talking about "when people get mad at people who eat meat" Why does it have to be their way or the highway?

lol to the skull comment

good point RCL I never even thought about the whole furniture aspect. I just LOVE Pottery Barn, my whole life is from there. My sister had a little Ford Ranger pick up and lived about 20 minutes from the PB outlet... those were the days. We were always in there buyin up everything real CHEAP too

Live and let live I say

i'm sure that PETA opposes those practices as well, fur is just the topic that gets the most attention.

WTF is wrong with Madonna's face???
She's too skinny these days.
Gross.

Stella, Back off and relax.

Sorry!I didn't express myself correctly Jaxon!I'm just an innocent French girl,LOL!!!I'm vegetarian...but don't get me wrong,i think everyone should be free to do what they want,if people wanna eat meat,well it's such a shame IMO,but that's their DAMN problem!So i'm against violent vegetarians and violent vegans!Lol.But as far as leather, fur, horse hair or sharkskin are concerned,i think they are other alternatives.

people have the choice to eat meat or not... why is it that people dont agree that they are different. if we see that then we will be fine, no one has to be the exact reflection of another. otherwise it would be very boring:P and we wouldnt be having this debate:P

You guys have hit the nail right on the head...I just don't get all the PETA drama. I understand cruelty, but it seems that most people are somewhat hypocrites. I can respect anyone who is hardcore animal rights (or any topic) across the board, but those who flip flop or are fanatical make me want to vomit. People have rights too! I LOVE animals, but its time to chill out on this. Kudos for the points made about shoes, belts, furniture and paper. BTW, the comment about skinned children is tasteless.

To compare the death of children to animals is horrible! Shame on Stella! Madonna has funded an orphanage in Africa...that far outweighs any fur-sins that she has committed!

Unfortunately the problem with extreme outcries like the one made by Stella is that it makes her look very extreme and creates backlash from the average consumer. This is unfortunate because Stella and PETA have their hearts in the right place and are doing important work that in the future will be regarded as the important first steps towards animal rights. This is an emotional subject and often PETA members cannot control their emotions and it makes them look fanatical. Look at some of the comments left by members here and you can see why animal activists often lose their cool ... many members here eat burgers buy leather and fur etc.. and simply turn a blind eye to the cruel industry that profits from it. Such a person does not like to feel the pang of guilt that comes from being accused of a cruel lifestyle and will react just as strongly to defend their habits "oh but what about all the people dying in Africa lets save them first etc" ...in the meatime I can feel okay about my fur coat and burger. This is just as extreme a reaction as Stellas. The intelligent person if brave enough will do their own research and discover the truth ..... the food and fashion industry has evolved to meet the needs of billions of hungry and bored human consumers all over the world on a daily basis ... the only solution is a production machine that processes living creatures in inhumane sometimes torturous way to meet the massive demand. The days of the natural farm and hunter are long gone. The new system is inhumane. It is each indiviudals duty to be honest with themself and decide whether to support it, consume more wisely, or protest it. The fact that people are talking about this in popular media today is a good thing and change will come with time. Hope all the women here will open their minds a bit .... women are supposed to lead compassionate causes.

Again with the human word.
There is nothing wrong with eating meat. Just like theres nothing wrong with not eating meat.

I totally understand what you mean Johninspace!What you just said really makes sense.

There is nothing wrong with eating meat" this is YOUR opinion.And i respect it.But i cannot deny that i was really shocked by the way those animals are killed to end up in our plates...

I think people should wear whatever they want to wear. This is not the first time madonna has worn fur. I don't know what Stella is going on about.

I'm starting to really like this Stella!!! I love Madonna but give her hell!!!!

It's one thing to have a strong opinion and to voice it respectfully, but I'd ditch any "friend" that b*tched me out like that.

I get into heated arguments over politics, religion, etc with my friends too. It's a part of friendship. And fur is such a heated topic. I'm anti-fur, and I can barely keep my cool when people start defending wearing fur. That's why I've learned to make changes in my own life and lead by example.

I understand, Skye, I have heated conversations with my friends, too, but when it gets to the point where one person asks to change the subject, you don't just keep pounding away at them, you know? That's when it becomes disrespectful and very un-friendly.

Eek. That's gotta be hard to hear.

Sure, Madonna is an easy target-Buy a Baby, Wear Animals, Crucify yourself on the Gayest Cross you can find. It's becoming quite passe' to comment on anything she does. These PETA people make it damn near impossible to see the good in their cause. Nearly every time i hear about them it's always them attacking someone. There's nothing wrong with your personal choice. I think the main problem with high profile activists groups is that they think it's okay to berate and assault people who don't agree with them.

If we didn't raise cows to be eaten (or for their hides), they would be extinct. They are not smart enough animals to survive on their own. Maybe it's cruel the way they do it, but that's how they have to do it to make the meat edible. Think it's wrong all you want and don't eat meat. That doesn't bother me at all. But when actual GROUPS set out to make it so I can't go to the supermarket and buy my husband a steak, they are then affecting me. It's like atheists who want Christmas decorations down. If you don't celebrate Christmas, that's fine...my decorations aren't affecting your life - me having a wreath up isn't hurting you. But when you make people take down their decorations and impose your religion-less life on me, you are affecting me.

I'm very open and accepting and it's totally fine that everyone believes whatever they want. Don't attack me for my beliefs and I won't retaliate. Don't impose your beliefs on me and we'll get along just fine.

Well said, Butrfly.

Also, I would like to point out that no matter what you're eating, if you're anti-fur or anti-meat, I hope you're not eating your meals off of bone china, because it's just what its name sounds like - bone. From animals.

The problem with "anti" groups is that their goal IS to impose their beliefs on the rest of us. So, you can't preach tolerance, love, and acceptance if you're not willing to tolerate, love, and accept people who don't share your beliefs.

Good for you Stella, I applaud YOU!!! That shows you that sometimes fashionable people have brains. Learn from this animal haters.
You will always get the Truth from me!

LMAO...Animal Haters???

I have a cat and TWO gerbils whom I love dearly...okay, I don't care for the gerbils, but I LOVE my cat.
Now I'm going to put on my suede coat, go get myself a turkey sandwich and think about what kind of BEEF I'm having for dinner. And NOT ONCE am I going to feel bad about any of it.

That does NOT mean that I HATE animals. I just choose not to spend my time advocating for animals who only survive because we breed them - for use.

Name calling and truth telling are VERY different. Name calling is just juvenile and does not get your point across.

OH no girls don't start fighting!!Please...