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MisterPinkNoTip MisterPinkNoTip 9 years
What Brad's saying may be idealistic, but without idealists and dreamers, where would we be? I'm starting to feel a little John Lennony. Brad is at least getting people thinking/talking about going green. Look what's happened just on this message board. Like what he's saying or not, he's at least getting a very important issue heard.
haydee haydee 9 years
I plan to help save the earth even without Brad doing anything about it. THough it helps if celebrities like him start.
krisua krisua 9 years
Argh the hat!
delia delia 9 years
Seasick/KizerSosa - sorry if I took your comment too literally. I just found it a little condescending to hear you imply that those of us invested in alternative energies are misinformed about their capabilities. When in fact, many of us are quite well informed. Also, I don't really see Brad talking about converting the whole city; I was under the impression that he was discussing redevelopment projects only.
ligaya ligaya 9 years
I was a senior in high school on the first Earth Day, April 22, 1970, and we had assembly on the topic. I've been inspired to be an environmentalist since then. It's great to have celebrities like Brad & Angelina who're sincere about their causes help get media attention on important things that matter. And besides walking the walk, they put their money where their mouths are too. People connected with the oil/petrochemical/nuclear industries have a vested interest in saying green transportation & energy will be too expensive and impractical. When there are enough sustainable houses & buildings, the economy of scale will make their prices go down. Plus the savings continue for the rest of the house's life. As an example, only the rich could afford early cars, until mass production brought the price down and regular folks could get one. My husband works for the transportation department of San Francisco. He says the reason our gas prices are so low (compared to Europe and the rest of the world) is that the externalities aren't factored in. For one thing, our government provides subsidies (our tax money) to the auto & related industries. Second, the following costs should be included in the price of gas but aren't: cost of cleaning up pollution caused by cars and the extraction of oil etc., cost of health care for those affected by pollution, cost of the interstate freeway system, etc. Like the tobacco companies, the industries involved in this issue will be in denial for as long as they can before being forced by us the consumer-public to change.
Imabeliever Imabeliever 9 years
I am not expecting the entire world to turn green overnight because Brad said it was possible. Just that he is bringing up a good point. The technology is out there and if more of us jump on the bandwagon it will make a difference. I live in Arizona. We are looking into building a house that would have solar panels or purchase a house we can convert to solar that would give us the option to run off the grid. Believe me.. any help I can get from the cost of running the air on a day that hits 108 degrees and still stays in the 90's at night. I will take any help I can get. And solar isn't the only option, anyone who has drivien through Palm Springs has seen the turbine windmills. The ocean and rivers water can be used like Hoover Dam. Then add the possiblity of Geothermal energy. The possibilites are out there, but it more than likely take a crisis for the majority to accept it. Bystander apathy at its worst!! Just wait until the price of electricity and gas become unmanageable.. then we will see the general public crying for change and green options.
Seasick Seasick 9 years
Delia.. and I'm sure you are smart enough to know that my toothbrush comment was an exaggeration, I keep forgetting that on these blogs SOME people take what you say very literally and for some you have to SPELL every single thing out. I meant the toothbrush and garden light comment as a comparison to what BRAD PITT was saying (aren't we talking about him) that New Orleans shouldn't even be paying for utilities with the sun and the wind to use for energy..and let me spell it out..that comment is ridiculous because of so much energy that would have to be produced to run an ENTIRE city off of alternative energy..and I didn't say anything about YOU thinking we shouldn't be paying an electric bill, I said BRAD PITT said that. Someone made the comment that electric companies are holding back the progress of "going green"..that's also NOT true. The Electric Cooperatives of the country (TouchTone) have a "green" model house in every state in the country trying to show people ways to conserve energy. They have also spent Millions of dollars doing research on better ways to save evergy.They have been offering incentives for about 25 YEARS for people installing appliances that are more efficient..if they do then they get a better rate on their electric bill. Anyway, like I said..Brad needs to walk the walk..not just run his mouth. The whole hard hat pictorial was a bunch of CRAP. He didn't hammer the first nail! He just gave speeches and walked around getting his photo taken then hopping back on a plane that polluted the air and wasted fuel!
mazdinsa mazdinsa 9 years
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mazdinsa mazdinsa 9 years
Brad is a moron and ugly oldman now!ok he used solar for time,we know that and he uses privet jets every week,so stop moron.
clarapl clarapl 9 years
All I'm saying is that change beyond a solar-powered toothbrush is possible, and it's happening! And no, I do not expect to wake up tomorrow and find all of London (where I am now) to be powered by the sun, but you'd be surprised what's possible when people are truly concerned about the planet--people here are really freaked out about global warming, and they are already doing things like banning cars from central London (unless you have a special permit) that would probably be considered "impossible" in NYC...btw, I do agree about the hypocrisy of flying around on private jets. Not quite walking the walk there, I don't think. ;)
delia delia 9 years
You know, nya - I used to feel the same way as you; that people in general were too lazy, and there's very little that I can do as an individual, and that I'll never see a change in my lifetime. But then I think about what things were like when I was younger - even 15 years ago, the town where I grew up didn't have a recycling program. Now it's second nature to everyone there. Yeah, everyone b*tched at first and complained that it was more work, but now most people (from the bins I see on the street) just do it. It's become second nature to most of us, even though we didn't "grow up" doing it. I've also realized that there's a lot of change brought about just by doing things in your own life. In the past few years, my circle of friends has made a lot of lifestyle changes that we pass around to each other - it's easy to spread a good habit! I don't mean for my posts to come off as preachy or self-righteous (reading back, they do sound that way - sorry!). I just think there's a lot of good that can come from being hopeful and helpful instead of shooting down creative thinkers and people who are working towards change. Damn, now I sound like Pollyanna...yikes!
blob blob 9 years
When Brangelina stop flying around the world in private jets and taking entire floors of uber-luxury hotels for them and their entourage, then he can talk to me about "issues."
nyaradzom2001 nyaradzom2001 9 years
clarapl be real do you think the whole of london is suddenly going to be miraculously green, a few houses here and a project there does not a green city make. I'm sorry but if it's taken people this long to care it will take them another 100 years to fully push this forward. These projects are herlded here and ther as a victory but move one 5 years from now and tell me if much has changed.
wildflower509 wildflower509 9 years
Brad only inspires me to be disgusted at a man-ho who so publicly cheated on his lady wife, and seemed so lacking of a sensitivity chip as to have magazine cover of him with his ho. Naw...besides, i saw the news program where it was stated that it was the PEOPLE and not Brad who brought about the Green program to rebuild their city. He's just trying to ho himself for publicity for the newly released BOMB Jesse James and etc, etc. I'm sick of both ho's and will continue to boycott anything they release, or star in....i'm done with the moral less celebrities of Tinsel Town....and the only way i have to express it is in their pocketbooks...so be it
nyaradzom2001 nyaradzom2001 9 years
Delia I agree with many of your points but there are way too many lazy people in this world lol.
clarapl clarapl 9 years
nya--yes, I can imagine London going green, because it's already happening!! London is building green housing and even entire green developments, like the award-winning BedZed eco-village in South London: http://www.bioregional.com/programme_projects/ecohous_prog/bedzed/bedzed_hpg.htm
delia delia 9 years
Nyaradzom, you're absolutely right about all of us using too much electricity. That's why part of my movement towards a greener life involves taking more steps than just seeking out alternative energies. It also means cutting down on the electronic gadgets I use - I don't watch TV except for occasional movies, I have a compact fridge that is also energy star rated, I don't over use my window AC units, I use compact fluorescent light bulbs, I use only recycled paper (which utilizes far less energy to produce), I unplug appliances that aren't in use, etc. Most of my choices are easier for me because I work from home (thus have control over my work situation) and because my "family" is only my husband and myself. I'm aware of my advantages in that sense, but still feel there are a lot of easy changes people could make if they were just a little more thoughtful. And while whole cities going green would be fabulous, I'm obviously smart enough to know that won't happen in the immediate future. But why should it be inconceivable that many of us could make that choice? And why should it be inconceivable that the more and more of us will make that choice, and eventually become a majority?And KizerSosa - I'm not talking about garden lights and toothbrushes. You must be smart enough to know that you can run a lot more than that from alternative energy. I'm also not talking about eliminating an electric bill all together - I'm talking about buying my energy from a company that is more in line with my stance on the environment. Check out the Green Power Network for more information about buying alternative energy to power your home. http://www.eere.energy.gov/greenpower/
delia delia 9 years
Nyaradzom, you're absolutely right about all of us using too much electricity. That's why part of my movement towards a greener life involves taking more steps than just seeking out alternative energies. It also means cutting down on the electronic gadgets I use - I don't watch TV except for occasional movies, I have a compact fridge that is also energy star rated, I don't over use my window AC units, I use compact fluorescent light bulbs, I use only recycled paper (which utilizes far less energy to produce), I unplug appliances that aren't in use, etc. Most of my choices are easier for me because I work from home (thus have control over my work situation) and because my "family" is only my husband and myself. I'm aware of my advantages in that sense, but still feel there are a lot of easy changes people could make if they were just a little more thoughtful. And while whole cities going green would be fabulous, I'm obviously smart enough to know that won't happen in the immediate future. But why should it be inconceivable that many of us could make that choice? And why should it be inconceivable that the more and more of us will make that choice, and eventually become a majority? And KizerSosa - I'm not talking about garden lights and toothbrushes. You must be smart enough to know that you can run a lot more than that from alternative energy. I'm also not talking about eliminating an electric bill all together - I'm talking about buying my energy from a company that is more in line with my stance on the environment. Check out the Green Power Network for more information about buying alternative energy to power your home. http://www.eere.energy.gov/greenpower/
nyaradzom2001 nyaradzom2001 9 years
I know Kizer. I think people see Brad and they're like our hero and he's doing good and they don't stop and really digest this and his ideas and dreams( good ones but totaly not well thought out enough to be bringing to a platform like this)and people don't want to see the bigger picture which involves billions of people and gazillions of dollars. You have to realise that not everyone wins in going green as it is a global initiative and i mean the world's governments cannot agree on peace and war let alone saving the earth. And people say we can mobilise and change the governments minds, sorry but this rarely works, people protest and they get crushed, people lobby the government for years and still come out of it empty handed. We have to thinks in terms of money, time, whether these initiatives will really take off and if the mega corporations are willing to lose tonnes of money to do this which honestly they really aren't prepared to do and if i had one i wouldn't be prepared to do to tell you the truth.
KizerSosa KizerSosa 9 years
Since I'm on the mean train this morning..yeah, he does look OOOOOLD. lol
KizerSosa KizerSosa 9 years
Thanks Nyara..people just don't realize. They think if hey can run their toothbrush and little garden lights off of solar energy then it can be done for an entire city. It would be great if it could, but it's just NOT realistic. Brad should have known this before he started telling people they shouldn't be paying an electric bill.
nyaradzom2001 nyaradzom2001 9 years
Ehm people look around your house and tell me how many electrical gadgets are on, or loolk around your offices. We are guzzling so much electricity it's not even right, from your dvr, to yout tivo, to your computer, your kitchen appliansces, entertainment system, etc etc I somehow think you're gonna have to living in the Gobi desert or Death Valley, or Sahara desert to get all the sunshine or wind to sustain that. Can you imagine New York going green or London, or Paris? I definitely cannot see that. And Delia I think what you are doing is totally cool but do you think a person living in Sudan, Niger, Zimbabwe or Ethiopia could honestly afford some of these initiatives, they wouldn't even know a heliostat if it came and bit them in the butt. My parents are better off than a lot of people back home but they cannot even begin to afford solar power. And my dad has a business making mega corkscrews for boilers and the electrical welder he uses is so powerful that it knocks out electricity in our entire neighbourhood which is about 6000 people. Can you imagine how much power that would take. Now think about the massive companies using these tools and even bigger ones.
ThatsBloo2You ThatsBloo2You 9 years
The inspiration I would need is if he actually did something like he's talking about instead of just saying it. Maybe he should fork over a lump some of money that would be needed to start a process like that. Being eco friendly is not cheap and most of us could not afford to make the adjustments.
clarapl clarapl 9 years
Imabeliever, I totally agree with you that the government needs to get behind the new technologies to help make them more more widely available...But even now, business are taking steps to get off the grid because it SAVES them money--like I recently read about a totally mainstream corporation in NYC that was cooling their office building using blocks of ice! Just like in the 1800's!! Seriously, they put huge blocks of ice in the basement and then circulated air over them, and apparently it worked beautifully and saved them loads of $$$! People can be so creative coming up with these things, like delia's landlord--that's awesome about the soap! :)-- but yeah, it is definitely too bad they don't get more support/leadership from the gov't.
clarapl clarapl 9 years
Imabeliever, I totally agree with you that the government needs to get behind the new technologies to help make them more more widely available... But even now, business are taking steps to get off the grid because it SAVES them money--like I recently read about a totally mainstream corporation in NYC that was cooling their office building using blocks of ice! Just like in the 1800's!! Seriously, they put huge blocks of ice in the basement and then circulated air over them, and apparently it worked beautifully and saved them loads of $$$! People can be so creative coming up with these things, like delia's landlord--that's awesome about the soap! :)-- but yeah, it is definitely too bad they don't get more support/leadership from the gov't.
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