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Lost Episode 11: "Whatever Happened, Happened"

Lost Episode 11: "Whatever Happened, Happened"


I love that Hurley tries to understand the situation better by way of Back to the Future, studying his fingers to see if he's disappearing. Hey, ask any Lost viewer — whatever helps you understand, go with it.

This episode is so relationship-y! So much Kate/Sawyer stuff with a little Juliet and Jack thrown in for extra drama. I am glad to know what happens with Little Ben and to find out Kate's motivations for returning to the island. But overall I think I'd like less sappy, more Smokey, please. My favorite parts are when Hurley and Miles try to figure out all the space/time stuff. What about you? To discuss this week's episode,

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  • It's interesting to think about all these people scrambling around to help save Ben (first Jin, then Juliet, Kate, and Sawyer), a kid who grows up to bring much pain into their lives. Though as Juliet points out, "he's not Ben yet, he's just a kid."
  • Kate, while driving to give Cassidy money and tell her about Sawyer, hears the Patsy Cline song "She's Got You," which was previously on Lost during the episode "Eggtown" — it plays during a scene with both Kate and Claire. In this episode there's the new meaning of Kate and Cassidy being two women who love (or loved) one man (Sawyer).
  • Later, Kate and Cassidy are hanging out like girlfriends, and Clementine calls her "Auntie Kate." Maybe some Aaron/Clementine action in the future?
  • Jack refuses to perform surgery on Ben again. Er, for the first time. "I've already done this once. I've already saved Benjamin Linus. And I did it for you, Kate. I don't need to do it again. Did you ever think that maybe the island just wants to fix things itself? That maybe I was just getting in the way?" What do you think about this idea of Jack's?
  • This bit of irony (as found on Lostpedia) is pretty intriguing: "Jack refused to save the young Ben because of who he would become. As a result, Kate had to take Ben to Richard, which is what made Ben the man Jack hated."
  • Hurley's Back to the Future logic: "We came back in time to the island and changed stuff. So if Little Ben dies, he'll never grow up to be Big Ben, who's the one that made us come back here in the first place. Which means we can't be here and therefore, dude, we don't exist."
  • I actually found Miles and Hurley's discussions about the time stuff really helpful. Miles: "Once Ben turned that wheel, time isn't a straight line for us anymore. Our experiences in the past and the future occurred before these experiences right now. . . . Any of us can die because this is our present." But Ben couldn't die because this is his past. But, as Hurley points out, when Ben was captured and Sayid first tortured him, why didn't Ben remember being shot by that same guy? Well, Miles never thought of that.
  • Flashback to Kate and Aaron in a store. Kate becomes distracted by a call from Jack, and when she looks up, Aaron is gone. A super creepy blond lady has Aaron by the hand and says she was about to make an announcement.
  • Cassidy says that Kate took Aaron because Sawyer broke her heart and how else was she supposed to fix it? I have a hard time buying this theory, though Kate seems to think it's true.
  • Tense confrontation in the bathroom between Juliet and a half-nekkid Jack. Juliet gets upset: "We didn't need saving! . . . You came back here for you." Jack simply says he came back because he was supposed to.
  • Kate tells Sawyer how Clementine's doing. "She's already got a little attitude" (just like her dad!). Sawyer says he was no more fit to be Kate's boyfriend than he was to be Clementine's father. Kate points out that he's doing fine with Juliet, and Sawyer says he's done a lot of growing up over the past three years, etc. etc.
  • Turns out Kate brings Aaron over to Claire's mother's so she can go back to the island to find Claire. That's a bit of a relief! I'd thought something terrible might have happened to little Aaron that made Kate go back.
  • "Back" on the island, Richard tells Kate and Sawyer that if he takes Little Ben, "he'll forget this ever happened and his innocence will be gone. He will always be one of us." Sawyer and Kate hand him over and Richard brings Ben to the Temple. First, though, one of the Others says in a low voice to Richard that he "shouldn't do this without asking Ellie" and he mentions Charles (Widmore, presumably), but Richard cuts him off: "Let him find out. I don't answer to either of them."
  • Then we see big Ben waking up to Locke saying, "Welcome back to the land of the living."

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kscincotta kscincotta 7 years
I can understand that whatever Richard is doing for Ben in the Temple could make him forget what happened, but I'm pretty sure Ben is still going to have a scar from the bullet wound. You'd think Juliet and Jack would have noticed that when they operated on him to remove the tumor. I would have loved it if the producers had dangled an old bullet wound on older Ben back a few seasons ago and then had Jack/Juliet have that "Oh, so that's what that was from..." moment this season. Oh well.
reesiekitty reesiekitty 7 years
I thought the Miles/Hurley time travel conversation was great because it was the writers sort of acknowledging the way they KNOW people discuss the show each week! It was fun to see two people ON the show doing the same thing the rest of us do.Renee3, I totally agree with you about the two groups of 'Others'. There are the 'Hostiles' and the Dharma - later Dharma and some of the Hostiles will become 'Others'. What I really loved about this episode was how much of Ben's adult behavior is explained. How he relates to people when he meets them in the future:Kate- remember how when the Others kidnapped Kate, Ben-in his own creepy way- really did try to set her at ease with the new dress, the breakfast... maybe he was grateful to her for saving him as a child and was trying to show that. Because he IS Benjamin Linus it all turned out creepy, but hey, maybe he was trying! Juliet- Again, this explains his seeming 'crush' on Juliet when she comes to the island in the future. The book club, etc.He KNEW her as a kid and knows she tried as hard as she could to save him. Which means he would also know about Sawyer- and his involvement with both Kate and Juliet- no wonder Ben the adult can't stand Sawyer. Syied- obviously Ben would have a huge reason as an adult to hate him. BUT- Ben is very very controlled. He could easily not have shown that he recognized Sayid and also would be patient and wait a long time and use Sayid to break him down as much as possible.I think the key thing with Ben is that ALL his feelings and personal relationships seem to end up being subject to the Island. And maybe that is the true and terrible drawback Richard was talking about when he took him to be healed in the Temple. Ben was screwed up to begin with but now, everything will come second to the Island. I just feel like I understand Ben so much more- I feel even sorrier for when Alex got shot- however he got her, he had tried to be a good father to her, to protect her and do better for her than his own father did. ( I also liked seeing how Ben's dad cared for him, but in such a messed up way he just hurt him. But it gave him more depth and humanity). I do think Ben is trying hard to do the right thing. But everyone else does not get a vote about the price to be paid and he is just dragging them along with him. wow- I didn't mean to talk so much about Ben! I liked all the Kate stuff, loved it that Aaron went back to his grandma for a while. It will be traumatic for him, but is only fair. I think when Kate lost him in the supermarket, it was like a sign that he CAN in fact be taken at any time from her, because he wasn't only hers to begin with. Anyway, I liked knowing where he was while she is on the island.Liked the reappearance of Clemantine and her mom. They added some nice substance and I think it's interesting that during his Dharma time in the 70s, Sawyer has become someone who might be a better dad. Mostly, I am TOTALLY looking forward to more Smokey next week :)
reesiekitty reesiekitty 7 years
I thought the Miles/Hurley time travel conversation was great because it was the writers sort of acknowledging the way they KNOW people discuss the show each week! It was fun to see two people ON the show doing the same thing the rest of us do. Renee3, I totally agree with you about the two groups of 'Others'. There are the 'Hostiles' and the Dharma - later Dharma and some of the Hostiles will become 'Others'. What I really loved about this episode was how much of Ben's adult behavior is explained. How he relates to people when he meets them in the future: Kate- remember how when the Others kidnapped Kate, Ben-in his own creepy way- really did try to set her at ease with the new dress, the breakfast... maybe he was grateful to her for saving him as a child and was trying to show that. Because he IS Benjamin Linus it all turned out creepy, but hey, maybe he was trying! Juliet- Again, this explains his seeming 'crush' on Juliet when she comes to the island in the future. The book club, etc.He KNEW her as a kid and knows she tried as hard as she could to save him. Which means he would also know about Sawyer- and his involvement with both Kate and Juliet- no wonder Ben the adult can't stand Sawyer. Syied- obviously Ben would have a huge reason as an adult to hate him. BUT- Ben is very very controlled. He could easily not have shown that he recognized Sayid and also would be patient and wait a long time and use Sayid to break him down as much as possible. I think the key thing with Ben is that ALL his feelings and personal relationships seem to end up being subject to the Island. And maybe that is the true and terrible drawback Richard was talking about when he took him to be healed in the Temple. Ben was screwed up to begin with but now, everything will come second to the Island. I just feel like I understand Ben so much more- I feel even sorrier for when Alex got shot- however he got her, he had tried to be a good father to her, to protect her and do better for her than his own father did. ( I also liked seeing how Ben's dad cared for him, but in such a messed up way he just hurt him. But it gave him more depth and humanity). I do think Ben is trying hard to do the right thing. But everyone else does not get a vote about the price to be paid and he is just dragging them along with him. wow- I didn't mean to talk so much about Ben! I liked all the Kate stuff, loved it that Aaron went back to his grandma for a while. It will be traumatic for him, but is only fair. I think when Kate lost him in the supermarket, it was like a sign that he CAN in fact be taken at any time from her, because he wasn't only hers to begin with. Anyway, I liked knowing where he was while she is on the island. Liked the reappearance of Clemantine and her mom. They added some nice substance and I think it's interesting that during his Dharma time in the 70s, Sawyer has become someone who might be a better dad. Mostly, I am TOTALLY looking forward to more Smokey next week :)
356UIK 356UIK 7 years
To me, this was the 1st major episode where Jack mentions "The Island" as an actual thing (i.e. his above quote). Whereas before he was always ignoring its special-ness and making fun of Locke for being all 'b/c the Island wants us to, Jack!'. This ep was quite slow for me tho.
356UIK 356UIK 7 years
To me, this was the 1st major episode where Jack mentions "The Island" as an actual thing (i.e. his above quote). Whereas before he was always ignoring its special-ness and making fun of Locke for being all 'b/c the Island wants us to, Jack!'. This ep was quite slow for me tho.
bastylefilegirl bastylefilegirl 7 years
I liked the scenes with Miles and Hurley because they were "real" a conversation that I would have with someone else trying to figure out the time travel stuff. I do have to say Jack won me back just a little this episode by standing up ( kinda) to Juliet and Kate and not doing something he didn't feel was right. Seriously I was a little happy Jack was willing to let Ben die, but then again as Sawyer says Jack doesn't think things out and the consequences of him not doing the surgery makes Ben who he is today....love it!
Countess827 Countess827 7 years
Hurley and Miles were great in their discussions of the relative-ness of time. I loved the Back to the Future reference! If only Hurley had the Dharma Initiative group photo of all them in his pocket, he could check to see if they were all disappearing one at a time. Otherwise, I'm glad we found out what happened to Aaron! I'm tired of Kate's wishy-washness as well so I'm glad Sawyer told her he has grown up with Juliet. Finally, what a GREAT ending!!
Countess827 Countess827 7 years
Hurley and Miles were great in their discussions of the relative-ness of time. I loved the Back to the Future reference! If only Hurley had the Dharma Initiative group photo of all them in his pocket, he could check to see if they were all disappearing one at a time. Otherwise, I'm glad we found out what happened to Aaron! I'm tired of Kate's wishy-washness as well so I'm glad Sawyer told her he has grown up with Juliet. Finally, what a GREAT ending!!
johnsonkm20 johnsonkm20 7 years
I don't mind a break from Faraday, but here's hoping Desmond returns next week!
johnsonkm20 johnsonkm20 7 years
Legends of the Hidden Temple! I am dying to know the secrets of that place. So am I right in thinking that Ben always entered into the temple in his past; do you think that has caused him to become the vindictive /crazy island protector he is in the present, a la Danielle's fiance and french friends that got "sick" by becoming overprotective of the island. Great point about Ben specifically singling out Sawyer, Jack, and Kate. This could be a reason for that besides he couldn't forget everything. It's Ben, and he knew the plane was going to crash.Loved Locke welcoming Ben back to the land of the living. ha! Amazing how much more I like Locke than two seasons ago.I didn't mind the relationship matter in the episode because it can't be avoided. These people have history. Still, I don't buy for second that Sawyer jumped off the plane for purely selfish reasons. Oh I'm still a sucker for Sawyer and Kate, I'll admit it.
johnsonkm20 johnsonkm20 7 years
Legends of the Hidden Temple! I am dying to know the secrets of that place. So am I right in thinking that Ben always entered into the temple in his past; do you think that has caused him to become the vindictive /crazy island protector he is in the present, a la Danielle's fiance and french friends that got "sick" by becoming overprotective of the island. Great point about Ben specifically singling out Sawyer, Jack, and Kate. This could be a reason for that besides he couldn't forget everything. It's Ben, and he knew the plane was going to crash. Loved Locke welcoming Ben back to the land of the living. ha! Amazing how much more I like Locke than two seasons ago. I didn't mind the relationship matter in the episode because it can't be avoided. These people have history. Still, I don't buy for second that Sawyer jumped off the plane for purely selfish reasons. Oh I'm still a sucker for Sawyer and Kate, I'll admit it.
Desk-Clerk-Jedi Desk-Clerk-Jedi 7 years
WHERE IS MY DANIEL????????????????????????
Mädchen Mädchen 7 years
Jelly888, I'm sort of quoting Faraday. Remember when he told Desmond to go see his mother in Los Angeles? I think that's when he said something about the rules not applying to Desmond.
zeze zeze 7 years
Oh and the "he won't remember anything" is lame, I thought it would be cool if this past is the reason Ben goes after them like a mad man making their lives miserable - why he had all that information about them etc....
zeze zeze 7 years
I think the Miles/Hurley discussion was the producers way of explaining things to us, I think Miles is right, but he doesn't have all the answers - at least that's how I took it.And I also wonder if the losties will come back to the present before Ben returns and whether they will warn Dharma about everything Ben will do before they leave.
zeze zeze 7 years
I think the Miles/Hurley discussion was the producers way of explaining things to us, I think Miles is right, but he doesn't have all the answers - at least that's how I took it. And I also wonder if the losties will come back to the present before Ben returns and whether they will warn Dharma about everything Ben will do before they leave.
shmoo15 shmoo15 7 years
Oh man! I totally forgot that he singles out Kate, Jack, Sawyer and Hurley. That makes all kinds of sense right now
emalove emalove 7 years
I loved that it was a Kate episode! And I was so glad to get some answers about Aaron's whereabouts, even though I pretty much KNEW he was with Claire's mother. And who WAS that weird blonde lady in the grocery store?? You know she's someone of significance... Jelly888--"I wonder now if that is why Ben singles out Kate, Sawyer and Jack in the future - the whole thing of at the beginning of the series about the list and also when he made Michael bring them to the dock." I am wondering that too!
tarabara1229 tarabara1229 7 years
I agree Jelly. Richard may play second-in-command, but I think his role is much bigger than some of the Others realize.
Jelly888 Jelly888 7 years
I don't think the power switched from them to Richard. From what I got, Richard lets people think they are in charge (Charles, Ben, Locke) but really Jacob/Richard are in charge at all times. They just let those other people think they are in charge.
sillyho sillyho 7 years
So does this mean that Ellie and Charles are the leaders of the hostiles (others)? What i want to know is how the power switched from Richard to them.
mstrauss mstrauss 7 years
Caterpillar, I really don't think that the past and the present are coming together. I think that realy did go back in the past and are living in a different reality. That is what Miles and Hurley were fighting about and I am taking Hurley's side on this one.
CaterpillarGirl CaterpillarGirl 7 years
"Obviously, in the "true past," Ben found his way to the others in some other way that we will probably never know, but because Sayid shot him, destiny, if you can call it that, found another way to bring him to Richard so that nothing would be changed"No the past has always been this way, Juliet and Sawyer always took ben to The others.
CaterpillarGirl CaterpillarGirl 7 years
"Obviously, in the "true past," Ben found his way to the others in some other way that we will probably never know, but because Sayid shot him, destiny, if you can call it that, found another way to bring him to Richard so that nothing would be changed" No the past has always been this way, Juliet and Sawyer always took ben to The others.
shmoo15 shmoo15 7 years
Geek, Kate and Cassidy met at the gas station when Cassidy was trying to con some guys into buying jewelry, so Kate helped her out. Then Cassidy helped Kate see her mother one last time in the hospital before she went on the run.I loved this episode. It was a major improvement from last week. What's the deal with Richard saying Ben will lose his innocence when he goes into the temple/smokey's lair? It sounded oddly molesty....but I'm they didn't mean for it to.
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