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Lost Episode Five: "This Place Is Death"

Lost Episode Five: "This Place Is Death"

This week's episode of Lost felt a bit like one long setting up of the next episode — even ending with the line, "Alright, let's get started." But! We also got confirmation on several of the theories and assumptions that Lost viewers have been buzzing about for a few weeks, like the truth about Charlotte's past and who Eloise Hawking is. And still, in keeping with the other episodes we've seen thus far in the season, it's another solid hour of Lost deliciousness.

Everything else is pretty much a spoiler, though, so if you've seen the episode and want to chat about it,

.

  • Smokey's back! The smoke monster appears in one of Jin's "times" with Rousseau and her science team. He steals one of their guys (but not before his arm gets ripped off) and when others go to help him, Jin makes Rousseau stay behind because of her baby ("Alexandra!"). But later Jin sees Rousseau holding Robert, her baby's father, at gunpoint and accusing him of not being really him (infected with the sickness). Just as she did to Sayid in season one, Rousseau removed the firing pin from Robert's gun before shooting him. In fact, in that first season episode, Rousseau tells Sayid that Robert never noticed his firing pin gone, either. Aaaaah, I feel the need to go back and watch all of Rousseau's episodes.
  • Jin's having a rough time of it with all the time-shifting but luckily he runs into Sawyer and Locke and all them. Cute little Sawyer-Jin hug there. I like the brief moments of joy on this show.
  • We see little Ji Yeon for a moment in the beginning when Sun talks to her on the phone before pulling her gun on Ben. Here's something I think would be cool: A flash-forward of some sort, someday, in which we see Ji Yeon as a young adult. I bet there are some cool storylines they could get out of older Ji Yeon, and older Aaron.
  • Poor, poor Charlotte. I feel for her — and for Faraday — though admittedly her face creeps me out big time. In this episode, especially, she's got a spooky look to her. She confirms a theory that's been kicked about quite a bit recently: She spent years on the island as a child with the Dharma Initiative. She moved away with her mom and never saw her dad again. And this is why she became an anthropologist — to find the island. Also, there was a scary, crazy man who told her she'd die if she came back to the island. . . and she thinks Faraday was that man.
  • She quietly passes away with sweet little Faraday by her side, but not before shrieking at Jin to not let Sun come back — "This place is death."
  • I wonder who Charlotte's father is?
  • Ha! Ben to Sun: "Why don't you put down the gun? No one wants it to go off." Hmm, "no one"?
  • Sayid leaves the other O-6ers, promising "if I see you or him again it will be extremely unpleasant for all of us."
  • Jack says he's sorry for leaving Jin behind and tries to assure Sun that he's not really aligned with Ben either. Then Ben snaps! "What I'm doing is helping you. And if you had any idea what I've had to do to keep you safe, to keep your friends safe, you'd never stop thanking me." Interesting. . .
  • All these noses bleeding all over the place, Sawyer's included — but not Jin's or Locke's. Locke tries to explain to Jin that he wants Sun to come back to the island, that she "never should have left," but when they reach the well at the Orchid station, Jin makes Locke promise not to bring Sun back. He tells him to lie and say he's dead, and hands Locke his wedding ring to give her as proof.
  • Time shifty thing happens and Locke falls to bottom of well, injuring himself. There he encounters Christian Shephard, Jack's dad. Christian chastises Locke for having Ben turn the giant wheel when Locke was supposed to. Now the wheel is off it's axis and "all you have to do is give it a little push." He instructs Locke to find Eloise Hawking and get the Oceanic Six — all of them. And he tells Locke to say hello to his son ("Who's your son?").
  • Locke: "Richard said I was going to die."
    Christian: "Well, I suppose that's why they call it a sacrifice."
  • I know this is probably old news, but the van Ben's driving says "Canton-Rainier" on the side, an anagram for "reincarnation."
  • Jin's plan doesn't work so well, now that Ben has handed Sun the wedding ring and explained everything. Now Sun agrees to go with Ben, and then Desmond shows up, looking for Faraday's mother, Eloise Hawking.
  • Final words, setting us up for next week:
    Eloise: "I thought I said all of them."
    Ben: "This is all I could get on short notice."
    Eloise: "Well, I suppose it'll have to do for now. All right, let's get started."

Photos copyright 2008 ABC, Inc.

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reesiekitty reesiekitty 6 years
KateDavis- I totally think all that makes sense!CaterpillerGirl- oh man, I never even thought about poor Vincent! All the noise and light would REALLY suck for a pooch! I hope he and Bernard and Rose are ok!!1) Smokey being back is the best ever! Was it just me or did it look even more powerful and menacing than in earlier seasons- like maybe at this period in time, it is just really juiced up?!?! And I would love to know what it is guarding at the temple too. I think that was absolutely why Ben was trying to send Alex and her mother there- because he knew Smokey could keep Alex safe from anything. 2) Speaking of Rousseau- is anyone else's heart just breaking for the young Danelle Rousseau?? Seriously, every time I see her, it is so sad. I am wondering if Jin will stay and help her adapt to the island- maybe even help deliver Alex?? Before the Others take her, of course. He would have to flash away before then. But I am wondering too, what happened when the other French guys went down the hold with Smokey? I don't know if Smokey can 'control' anyone- but maybe some weird chemical reaction that made them crazy? Like the gas that Smokey is made up of or something??3) Poor Charlotte, too. I've never cared much one way or the other about her, but in this scene she was really touching.4) I really liked it when Ben finally lost his temper and pulled over and sort of said " If you're going to kill me, just do it already!' I totally see his point. Lol, if Ben has been acting for the greater good all this time, he has certainly been through a LOT of crap for it- beaten, imprisoned, Alex dead, kicked off the Island,... I think it was reasonable for him to be a little fed up! Especially with Jack who's all macho and 'I'll do it myself' now that Sun is back. 5) I like seeing Ghost Christian come back again. I think Claire is in the same state- some people ( not all) who die on the Island, Jacob sort of keeps 'hanging around' incorporeally to do his work. I also think that Miles was the baby in the crib and his Darhma dad experimented with him a bit- maybe that's why he can see dead people? I still love his reaction last season when he sees Claire and Sawyer got all mad and 'Why didn't you stop her?!?' and Miles just looked incredulously at him like " um, cause she was DEAD' but didn't say that to Sawyer- it was a really great little bit of writing.6) I think little JinYeon will be fine. She is with grandma and I can understand Sun wanting to find Jin at all costs if he is alive. I also LOVE the idea of some future storylines with older Jin Yeon and Aaron. I like the way everyone is being drawn together. All in all, a great episode, Smokey showing up was the best!
reesiekitty reesiekitty 6 years
KateDavis- I totally think all that makes sense! CaterpillerGirl- oh man, I never even thought about poor Vincent! All the noise and light would REALLY suck for a pooch! I hope he and Bernard and Rose are ok!! 1) Smokey being back is the best ever! Was it just me or did it look even more powerful and menacing than in earlier seasons- like maybe at this period in time, it is just really juiced up?!?! And I would love to know what it is guarding at the temple too. I think that was absolutely why Ben was trying to send Alex and her mother there- because he knew Smokey could keep Alex safe from anything. 2) Speaking of Rousseau- is anyone else's heart just breaking for the young Danelle Rousseau?? Seriously, every time I see her, it is so sad. I am wondering if Jin will stay and help her adapt to the island- maybe even help deliver Alex?? Before the Others take her, of course. He would have to flash away before then. But I am wondering too, what happened when the other French guys went down the hold with Smokey? I don't know if Smokey can 'control' anyone- but maybe some weird chemical reaction that made them crazy? Like the gas that Smokey is made up of or something?? 3) Poor Charlotte, too. I've never cared much one way or the other about her, but in this scene she was really touching. 4) I really liked it when Ben finally lost his temper and pulled over and sort of said " If you're going to kill me, just do it already!' I totally see his point. Lol, if Ben has been acting for the greater good all this time, he has certainly been through a LOT of crap for it- beaten, imprisoned, Alex dead, kicked off the Island,... I think it was reasonable for him to be a little fed up! Especially with Jack who's all macho and 'I'll do it myself' now that Sun is back. 5) I like seeing Ghost Christian come back again. I think Claire is in the same state- some people ( not all) who die on the Island, Jacob sort of keeps 'hanging around' incorporeally to do his work. I also think that Miles was the baby in the crib and his Darhma dad experimented with him a bit- maybe that's why he can see dead people? I still love his reaction last season when he sees Claire and Sawyer got all mad and 'Why didn't you stop her?!?' and Miles just looked incredulously at him like " um, cause she was DEAD' but didn't say that to Sawyer- it was a really great little bit of writing. 6) I think little JinYeon will be fine. She is with grandma and I can understand Sun wanting to find Jin at all costs if he is alive. I also LOVE the idea of some future storylines with older Jin Yeon and Aaron. I like the way everyone is being drawn together. All in all, a great episode, Smokey showing up was the best!
emalove emalove 7 years
Greentea14, I think that Charlotte told Jin to never let Sun come back because of what was happening to her...she says that she was told by the "crazy man who was probably Daniel" that if she ever returned to the Island, she would die. I think she meant that if Sun returns, she would also face death. At least, that's how I interpreted it :)
emalove emalove 7 years
I thought this episode was great...so nice that we got to see Jin for awhile. It was cute when he and Sawyer reunited. I'm glad we found out for sure that Mrs. Hawking is Daniel's mother. I agree, Katedavis, that Charlotte is Ben's daughter...her mother is definitely Annie anyway. I'm sure of it. I think Ben is definitely old enough to be her father.
katedavis katedavis 7 years
1- Last season I speculated that Ben was Charlotte's dad- Ben looked to be in his 20's when he helped kill the dharma people and he looks to be in his 40's now. Charlotte had memories of the island so she must have been a few years old when she left the island with her mom (Annie- Ben's girlfriend) before the massacre. That would mean she could be in her mid-20's and be Ben's daughter (which she looks to be). It also might explain why Ben really wanted Alex as his replacement daughter. 2- Miles is totally the baby in the crib (Dharma instructional video speaker's son) 3- People are saying that Eloise Hawking is "Ellie"- the Other girl who held Daniel Faraday at gunpoint when he was supposed to be fixing the nuclear bomb. (And of course, his mother.) And people think Widmore is his dad.
katedavis katedavis 7 years
1- Last season I speculated that Ben was Charlotte's dad- Ben looked to be in his 20's when he helped kill the dharma people and he looks to be in his 40's now. Charlotte had memories of the island so she must have been a few years old when she left the island with her mom (Annie- Ben's girlfriend) before the massacre. That would mean she could be in her mid-20's and be Ben's daughter (which she looks to be). It also might explain why Ben really wanted Alex as his replacement daughter.2- Miles is totally the baby in the crib (Dharma instructional video speaker's son)3- People are saying that Eloise Hawking is "Ellie"- the Other girl who held Daniel Faraday at gunpoint when he was supposed to be fixing the nuclear bomb. (And of course, his mother.) And people think Widmore is his dad.
greentea14 greentea14 7 years
oooh trish that 70 hours theory is good too :)
greentea14 greentea14 7 years
Loved it :)I almost cried when Jin asked Locke to lie about him surviving. I wonder why Charlotte doesn't want Sun to go back, Sun wasn't born there nor was her baby.I never though of that Tarabara (Daniel using time to warn Charlotte), but poor him, it was so sad :(
greentea14 greentea14 7 years
Loved it :) I almost cried when Jin asked Locke to lie about him surviving. I wonder why Charlotte doesn't want Sun to go back, Sun wasn't born there nor was her baby. I never though of that Tarabara (Daniel using time to warn Charlotte), but poor him, it was so sad :(
trish0683 trish0683 7 years
I am so excited for this season - finally some answers!!I think Ben and Annie are too young to be Charlotte's parents. I think her dad is Horace, the guy that Locke saw building the cabin back in the 4th season) and her mom is his wife (Ben's teacher). I think Faraday is going to warn Charlotte when the island time jumps take them back to the Dharma times. I never would have guessed he would become such an important character. And I'm so excited to see Jack's dad again. I think that 70 hours is the time when the island will be in the same year as the rest of the world. If they don't get on the island at that time, they will have to wait for the next time that the island will be in the correct year, which might never happen. Anyway, good episode!
trish0683 trish0683 7 years
I am so excited for this season - finally some answers!! I think Ben and Annie are too young to be Charlotte's parents. I think her dad is Horace, the guy that Locke saw building the cabin back in the 4th season) and her mom is his wife (Ben's teacher). I think Faraday is going to warn Charlotte when the island time jumps take them back to the Dharma times. I never would have guessed he would become such an important character. And I'm so excited to see Jack's dad again. I think that 70 hours is the time when the island will be in the same year as the rest of the world. If they don't get on the island at that time, they will have to wait for the next time that the island will be in the correct year, which might never happen. Anyway, good episode!
trish0683 trish0683 7 years
I am so excited for this season - finally some answers!! I think Ben and Annie are too young to be Charlotte's parents. I think her dad is Horace, the guy that Locke saw building the cabin back in the 4th season) and her mom is his wife (Ben's teacher). I think Faraday is going to warn Charlotte when the island time jumps take them back to the Dharma times. I never would have guessed he would become such an important character. And I'm so excited to see Jack's dad again. I think that 70 hours is the time when the island will be in the same year as the rest of the world. If they don't get on the island at that time, they will have to wait for the next time that the island will be in the correct year, which might never happen. Anyway, good episode!
laceykk23 laceykk23 7 years
caterpillargirl, LOL soo funny!!
nessa17 nessa17 7 years
Great episode but Jack's dad Christian gives me the creeps.
CaterpillarGirl CaterpillarGirl 7 years
Ben is creepy hot. desmond is just plain hotsayid....terrorist hotsawyer...needs a bath and a shave hotlocke....professor hotJin.....lets speak the language of love hot
CaterpillarGirl CaterpillarGirl 7 years
Ben is creepy hot. desmond is just plain hot sayid....terrorist hot sawyer...needs a bath and a shave hot locke....professor hot Jin.....lets speak the language of love hot
kaks11 kaks11 7 years
Miles was the baby in the crib?! Wow I never thought of that.
verily verily 7 years
I totally missed the fact that Sawyer's nose started to bleed before any of the other Lostie's did. Maybe he's been on the island before? As a kid maybe?I love Ben so much. He's the best character on TV right now.
verily verily 7 years
I totally missed the fact that Sawyer's nose started to bleed before any of the other Lostie's did. Maybe he's been on the island before? As a kid maybe? I love Ben so much. He's the best character on TV right now.
mstrauss mstrauss 7 years
Jely888, I agree with you that maybe in that first episode when we saw Faraday dressed up as a Dharma worker and going under ground, maybe that was him going back in time and he could have warned Charlotte then not to come back to the island. Maybe he was trying to change her future when she was a child. I mean, if Miles was that baby in the crib at the beginning of the first episode, that would mean that Charlotte was still on the island. Hmmmm....
kaks11 kaks11 7 years
Ok a lot of this stuff is so crazy. But I can't stop watching. I was under the impression that Charolette WAS Ben's friend from growing up on the island (w/ the wooden dolls). Is that not possible? I definitely don't get this whole "Jacob" character. And I am also wondering when we will find out where Claire is! Last time we saw her, she was in Jacob's cabin with Christian Shepard/her Dad. PS - Could Desmond get any hotter? Seriously. I love him.
kaks11 kaks11 7 years
Ok a lot of this stuff is so crazy. But I can't stop watching. I was under the impression that Charolette WAS Ben's friend from growing up on the island (w/ the wooden dolls). Is that not possible? I definitely don't get this whole "Jacob" character.And I am also wondering when we will find out where Claire is! Last time we saw her, she was in Jacob's cabin with Christian Shepard/her Dad. PS - Could Desmond get any hotter? Seriously. I love him.
tarabara1229 tarabara1229 7 years
Jelly...I think you might be on to something. I'm gonna have to look at the LOST timeline, but it could probably work if this was towards the end of the Dharma Initiative.
laceykk23 laceykk23 7 years
cindy was with the 'others' when locke went to their camp for the first time, locke was wondering why everyone was staring at him and cindy said that everyone has been looking forward to meeting him and that they had heard a lot about him. but since then nothing from her, maybe she is with richard and the rest of the others.
Jelly888 Jelly888 7 years
One more thing, does anyone know what old Rousseau's reaction was when she first met Jin way back in the first/second season? I would like to see if she had a reaction to him back then, like he looked familiar.
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