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Lost Episode Three, "Jughead"

Lost Episode Three, "Jughead"

"Look over there, beyond where you can see, there's an island. And it's a very special island. . . it's called Great Britain." Ha! I don't even know where to begin with this episode of Lost. My brain is tired. How's yours doing?

You can help me process it by discussing all the craziness if you

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  • Aww, Desmond and Penny have a baby boy! And they name him Charlie, which is so sweet, though it's also Penny's father's name. Their kid is named after the guy who died helping Desmond and Penny reunite — but it's also the same name as the person they fear and loathe.
  • Penny wonders about Desmond's dream-memory of Faraday coming to him at the hatch. "Why didn't you remember it until two days ago?" Oh, Penny. You and your logical ways.
  • So, Desmond goes to Oxford to find Daniel Faraday's mother, but the lab in which he once visited Daniel is all shut up. Inside, though, Desmond finds a photograph of Daniel with a young woman. The guy says, "Rumor had it he was trying to send rats brains back in time" and that the university erased all traces of Daniel after "what he did to that poor girl." That poor girl is Theresa Spencer who is now in a vegetative state. According to Theresa's sister, Faraday just left her like this.
  • Also: Charles Widmore was Faraday's benefactor, funding all his research. Now Widmore sees to it that Theresa Spencer receives medical care.

  • Meanwhile, back at the ranch (er, time-shifty island), Faraday, Miles, Charlotte, Sawyer, Juliet and Locke find themselves in 1954 and a bunch of Others — led by Richard Alpert, who looks like a Mabelline ad — are rather suspicious of them. The female one is named Ellie (I thought it was kind of weird-cool when we see her pointing the gun from her point of view, like a video game), and though the others assume the three are U.S. military, Ellie has her doubts.
  • Who does Faraday think Ellie looks like?
  • Alpert tells Faraday to disarm the hydrogen bomb, named "Jughead" which, apparently, "was the code name for an actual nuclear test that took place in 1954."
  • The Others guys are speaking Latin, but luckily Juliet speaks it, too, because it's "Others 101. Gotta learn Latin. It's the language of the enlightened."
    Sawyer: "Enlightened my ass." Ha!
  • I totally forgot that Miles is a ghost whisperer! That comes in handy sometimes, huh? "Four U.S. soldiers, dead just under a month, three of them were shot, one died of radiation poisoning." Alpert later claims he was forced to kill 18 U.S. military people because they wouldn't leave the island peacefully.
  • I enjoy the dynamics between Miles and Faraday. Miles is all sarcasm and fear, while Faraday tries to soothe and coax a positive attitude out of him. Miles also often provides some comedic relief and I truly appreciate that.
  • Locke can't shoot at any of the Others because he's their leader. . . in some time period.
  • Juliet: "Richard's always been here."
    Sawyer: "How old is he?"
    Juliet: "Old."
  • I had to chuckle at the sight of Faraday shuffling around the H-bomb. He seems like such a funny, scrawny little kid. It's a nice contrast from the macho-ness of Jack and Sawyer (not that I'm complaining about Jack and Sawyer). Faraday tries to convince Ellie that he's from the future and he knows the bomb will be buried because "50 years from now, this island is still here."

  • Like a total badass, Desmond goes to see Widmore. I wanted to cheer during this scene! Remember another time when Desmond is in Widmore's office and Widmore makes him feel so worthless? Not anymore! Widmore hands Desmond Faraday's mother's information and then tells Desmond not to put Penny's life in danger. Really, Widmore?! That's a hoot, coming from him. He says Desmond is getting involved in something that goes back many many years, and has nothing to do with him.
  • Man! Richard Alpert must be one effed up dude. Going through all that time shifty stuff for ages.
  • Locke tells Alpert that Jacob sent him and he hands him the compass, as he'd been instructed to do. Then he implores Alpert to tell him how to get off the island. And then, when Locke tells Alpert that he's their leader, Alpert says they choose their leaders at a much younger age. Locke then explains that actually, he's not even born yet and that if Alpert doesn't believe him, he can come visit him. As we know, Alpert does visit him — right when Locke's born and also when Locke's a child and Alpert tests him to find out which of a collection of items is "already" his. Of course, Alpert is frustrated when Locke picks the knife over the compass in that scene.
  • The young Others guy, who held Juliet and Sawyer at gunpoint is a young Charles Widmore. This made my head spin just a lil' bit. I also think that's an awesome twist.
  • In the end, Penny says she and Charlie will just have to go with Desmond as he searches for Faraday's mother.
  • The time shift thing happens again and the whole Others camp area disappears. But then Charlotte freaks out, nose bleeding etc., just like Minkowski did in that initial time warpy Desmond episode.
  • Faraday knows a lot of stuff. Do you think his intentions are good?

Photos copyright 2008 ABC, Inc.

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californiagirlx7 californiagirlx7 6 years
Oh yeah, and I was also completely floored when one of the Others turned out to be Charles Widmore! This show is crazy.
californiagirlx7 californiagirlx7 6 years
I loved this episode, especially the Desmond and Penny scenes. I gasped when they said that they named their son Charlie. How sweet! I'm scared that something bad is going to happen to Penny though...
harmonyfrance harmonyfrance 7 years
I think Daniel and Charlotte are really sweet together. Also I didn't miss the losties off the island at all. I didn't even notice they weren't in it until after.
laceykk23 laceykk23 7 years
lol @ the preschool for the lost children!!
reesiekitty reesiekitty 7 years
Also, wow, guys! I COMPLETELY forgot that Ben threatened to kill Widmore's daughter!! I think it would be really cool if Penny escapes and just runs a little Losties preschool for Charlie and Aaron and Jin's baby and keeps them all safe while everyone is on the island. But I think Aaron has to go back, so that isn't going to happen. I also hadn't thought about Widmore being Farraday's dad, but it would make a sort of sense. Also, Farraday might have just been her maiden name, and she didn't want to give her son Widmore's name. There do seem to be a lot of unacknowledged parental relationships around this show.
reesiekitty reesiekitty 7 years
BellaSugar- don't give up! A co-worker of mine was an avid LOST watcher for the first season and gave it up because she got tired of no answers. I used to get frustrated, but then I realized that the puzzles and the questions are what make the show- NOT the answers to them!! It's so much more fun the next day to get together and hypothesize about what's going on than to just say " Wow, they totally explained that!' When they eventually do occasionally explain something, it makes the payoff that much more satisfying. There's a terrific quote from Rainer Maria Rilke's 'Letter to a Young Poet' that I think totally applies here:Don't search for the answers, which could not be given to you now, because you would not be able to live them. And the point is, to live everything. Live the questions now. Perhaps then, someday far in the future, you will gradually, without even noticing it, live your way into the answer.Watching LOST is all about the curiosity it takes to keep fielding questions. The hard core, lock step answers are less important- don't give up on it! :)
reesiekitty reesiekitty 7 years
BellaSugar- don't give up! A co-worker of mine was an avid LOST watcher for the first season and gave it up because she got tired of no answers. I used to get frustrated, but then I realized that the puzzles and the questions are what make the show- NOT the answers to them!! It's so much more fun the next day to get together and hypothesize about what's going on than to just say " Wow, they totally explained that!' When they eventually do occasionally explain something, it makes the payoff that much more satisfying. There's a terrific quote from Rainer Maria Rilke's 'Letter to a Young Poet' that I think totally applies here: Don't search for the answers, which could not be given to you now, because you would not be able to live them. And the point is, to live everything. Live the questions now. Perhaps then, someday far in the future, you will gradually, without even noticing it, live your way into the answer. Watching LOST is all about the curiosity it takes to keep fielding questions. The hard core, lock step answers are less important- don't give up on it! :)
Renees3 Renees3 7 years
He DID recognize her. She asked why he kept staring at her and he said he wasn't then apologized and said she looked like someone he knew. Also, if they've been on the island for a long time, how would there be any pictures of her as younger? ALSO, when we saw Faraday doing the experiments on the rats, one of thems name was Eloise. That's a lot of coincidences and in Lost, nothing is Just a coincidence.
tess2530 tess2530 7 years
I'm still not sold on Ellie being Faraday's mom. The only coincidence is the name. I guess it just seems a little too far-fetched to think that Faraday wouldn't instantly recognize her. She is probably around 20 in this episode, which means she must have had Faraday in her 30's. People don't age that much in 10 years that he wouldn't even recognize his own mother! Or that he never saw a photo of her from being younger. I guess it is just not realistic, but then again it is Lost and not much is realistic!
Renees3 Renees3 7 years
Actually it seems that women WERE able to have babies sometime during the Dharma years. In the beginning of the first episode this season we see a baby as well as a woman walking around in the background pregnant. So it's entirely possible that the problem of conceiving and birthing on island could have began later. Possibly after the Purge.
CJaneTyp CJaneTyp 7 years
Daniel couldn't have been born on the island because women can't carry babies to term on the island, right?
zeitungtaxis zeitungtaxis 7 years
@ Jelly888: I also noticed that Miles seemed to be looking a little grayer than usual, but thought that maybe I had just missed it before.
carak carak 7 years
stop mentioning people being born on the island! here's what's been established: -if you conceive on the island, you have to get off before the 2nd trimester or you will die.-if you conceive before you come to the island, you are able to have your baby born on the island.
carak carak 7 years
stop mentioning people being born on the island! here's what's been established: -if you conceive on the island, you have to get off before the 2nd trimester or you will die. -if you conceive before you come to the island, you are able to have your baby born on the island.
cupcake_ cupcake_ 7 years
I need/want to know more answers!! Glad we found out that Widmore was an "other".
caryatid caryatid 7 years
I'm worried that Locke isn't really supposed to be a leader... that he is self-propagating his own leadership myth! What a great episode, can't wait for next week. P.S. Anyone notice last week that the guy Locke threw the knife into who was attacking Sawyer and Juliet was TOM aka MR FRIENDLY? I'm guessing he has the non-dying ability that Mikhail also seemed to display!
caryatid caryatid 7 years
I'm worried that Locke isn't really supposed to be a leader... that he is self-propagating his own leadership myth!What a great episode, can't wait for next week.P.S. Anyone notice last week that the guy Locke threw the knife into who was attacking Sawyer and Juliet was TOM aka MR FRIENDLY? I'm guessing he has the non-dying ability that Mikhail also seemed to display!
Jelly888 Jelly888 7 years
One thing that bothered me about this episode was when Juliet asked Locke why he was so interested in Richard. Who wouldn't be interested in someone who never ages? Another thing I noticed, and maybe it's just me, but are Miles, Juliet, Sawyer and the rest aging as they leap through time? I noticed that Miles has more grey hair, or did he always have that much grey hair? Also want to know what is going to happen when they run into themselves? And I hope they mention something about where Claire is during this.
Jelly888 Jelly888 7 years
One thing that bothered me about this episode was when Juliet asked Locke why he was so interested in Richard. Who wouldn't be interested in someone who never ages?Another thing I noticed, and maybe it's just me, but are Miles, Juliet, Sawyer and the rest aging as they leap through time? I noticed that Miles has more grey hair, or did he always have that much grey hair?Also want to know what is going to happen when they run into themselves? And I hope they mention something about where Claire is during this.
nimue nimue 7 years
this show rocks my world!!! *ellie is daniel's mom!!*and buzz, I totally didn't remember richard visiting locke as a child until you mentioned it! no wonder he was frustrated
nimue nimue 7 years
this show rocks my world!!! *ellie is daniel's mom!! *and buzz, I totally didn't remember richard visiting locke as a child until you mentioned it! no wonder he was frustrated
emalove emalove 7 years
This show continues to BLOW ME AWAY each time I watch an episode...this episode in particular really captivated me. *I LOVE that Des and Penny have a baby boy named Charlie. *I totally agree that Ellie is Daniel's mother. And that Charles Widmore is his father. And Pumachik, I definitely think Daniel was indeed a Dharma at one point. *I think Charlotte is definitely being afflicted by the same "illness" that overtook the crew members on the freighter. *Tarabara1229, I too am concerned about Penny's safety in L.A. Oh, and LOL at "Richard Alpert looking like a Maybelline ad"! Too funny. His guy-liner kills me.
fakeplanettelex fakeplanettelex 7 years
- agreed that ellie is faraday's mother, and the possiblity of widmore being his father as well - though where did the name "faraday" come from if that's the case- don't hate me for saying this, but since penny is going with desmond to la... remember ben is in la, and ben wants revenge on widmore since "he changed the rules", so i think penny is going to die. and that will lead desmond back to the island... - re: alpert, locke & the compass... it completes the circle of the 'chosen path' imo, hence, alpert's frustration- i still stick by my thoughts that faraday was once a dharma and that's how he knows so much about the island & time travel. he must've been raised on the island at some point if he is ellie's son. another thought occured to me - some of the dharma still exist off-island. i think matthew abaddon, naomi, etc. are either dharma folks who survived the purge or work for dharma folks who survive the purge, hence their obsession with finding ben.... because alpert and ben LOATHE the dharma initiative. and since we now know widmore was an other, and has beef with ben (assuming there was a leadership issue), he is working with these off-island dharma folks and used faraday + crew as his guinea pigs to find the island and ben.
fakeplanettelex fakeplanettelex 7 years
- agreed that ellie is faraday's mother, and the possiblity of widmore being his father as well - though where did the name "faraday" come from if that's the case - don't hate me for saying this, but since penny is going with desmond to la... remember ben is in la, and ben wants revenge on widmore since "he changed the rules", so i think penny is going to die. and that will lead desmond back to the island... - re: alpert, locke & the compass... it completes the circle of the 'chosen path' imo, hence, alpert's frustration - i still stick by my thoughts that faraday was once a dharma and that's how he knows so much about the island & time travel. he must've been raised on the island at some point if he is ellie's son. another thought occured to me - some of the dharma still exist off-island. i think matthew abaddon, naomi, etc. are either dharma folks who survived the purge or work for dharma folks who survive the purge, hence their obsession with finding ben.... because alpert and ben LOATHE the dharma initiative. and since we now know widmore was an other, and has beef with ben (assuming there was a leadership issue), he is working with these off-island dharma folks and used faraday + crew as his guinea pigs to find the island and ben.
tarabara1229 tarabara1229 7 years
I think Widmore is the father of Faraday too. Which would make him and Penny half-siblings! But now I'm a little worried about Desmond and Penny going to LA because it'll mean being in close proximity to Ben, who vowed to avenge the death of his daughter by killing Penny...
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