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Lost Episodes 16 and 17, "The Incident, Parts 1 and 2"

Lost Episodes 16 and 17, "The Incident, Parts 1 and 2"

I don't know about you, but I fell asleep with the images from the Lost season finale swirling in my head and woke up thinking about it, and my dreams were probably all Lost, all the time, too. I'm still confused — but almost in a good way — and feeling pretty satisfied. As far as season finales go, I think this one is pretty kickass. What do you think?

Certainly can't say much more without revealing spoilers a-plenty, so to chat about the two parts of the Lost finale


Jacob's touches — Much of the episode is devoted to showing us how Jacob met — and, significantly, physically touched — various characters during small moments in each of their lives:

  • He pays for the (New Kids on the Block!) lunchbox that "Katie" steals as a (ridiculously cute) young'n.
  • He shows up at the funeral for Sawyer’s mother and father and hands Little Sawyer a pen as Little Sawyer is writing a letter to the man responsible for his parents' deaths.
  • Jacob asks Sayid for directions at the intersection where Nadia is promptly killed.
  • He goes to see a heavily bandaged Ilana in the hospital (he's her only visitor) and he asks for her help, which she quickly agrees to give him.
  • He's outside the building (reading Flannery O'Connor's Everything That Rises Must Converge) when Locke plummets to the ground from a window, and when he touches Locke, his eyes fly open. Jacob says, "Don’t worry everything’s going to be all right. I’m sorry this happened to you."
  • Jacob shows up at Jin and Sun's wedding and tells them never to take their special love for granted.
  • Jack recalls feeling humiliated by his dad during a surgery early in his career, and soon after they have a little talk about it ("Are you sure I'm the one who doesn’t 'believe in you,' Jack?"), Jacob shows up and hands Jack the Apollo candy bar that Jack had been trying to extract from a stubborn vending machine.
  • Hurley hops in a cab with Jacob after being discharged from jail. There, Jacob tells Hurley that he's not crazy and that maybe, he's actually blessed instead of cursed.
  • Interestingly, Juliet's flashback does not include Jacob — just the moment when her parents announced that they were getting a divorce.
  • And we don't see "the moment," but Richard tells Locke that he is ageless because of Jacob.

"I'm definitely not dead." — Jacob. So what the heck is he?!

Leaders, in charge, leaders, in charge . . . — Sun wonders who Jacob is and Ben tells her he's the man in charge of the island — not "the leader," mind you. That's Locke. And that's "a title that I've discovered is incredibly temporary." Later Eloise tells Jack not to "misunderstand who's in charge here," as she wants to go before him up to the Dharma village, but then Richard swiftly knocks her out, saying he's protecting his "leader."

Timeless beauty — Forget Richard (though I do find him seriously attractive in this episode), Sun is truly an ageless beauty. She just looks gorgeous on her wedding day, saying her vows: "I have loved you since the day we first met. I will love the man you will become as we spend our lives together. With this ring I make my promises."

"Oh, hell no." — The heart and humor of this episode for me is the run-in with Bernard and Rose. First off, Bernard sounds like Sawyer with his muttering of "Son of a bitch!" They manage to make the other Losties look like hyper children as Rose and Bernard explain that they chose to live a private, peaceful life together (in "retirement") over going to work for Dharma or something. And they don't care about this silly bomb business. "So we die. We just care about being together. That's all that matters in the end." I just want to know why I felt like crying at Bernard gently offering tea to Juliet? I feel like such a sap. (But also, Vincent!)

A valid question from Miles: "Has it occurred to any of you that your buddy is actually gonna cause the thing he says he’s trying to prevent? Perhaps that little nuke is the incident. So perhaps the best thing to do is nothing?"

Que será, será — Jack's all about the destiny stuff now ("If it's meant to be, it's meant to be"), but Sawyer doesn't "speak destiny." I feel like their big crazy man-fight was a looooong time coming. And I will admit that I sort of enjoyed watching Sawyer pummel Jack.

Teamwork! — I love all the Lostie teamwork in this episode. Hurley, Jin, and Miles zoom up in a Dharma van and grab Jack and a wounded Sayid, and later Sawyer, Juliet, Kate, Miles, and Jin come roaring up, guns blazing, to protect Jack from the Others. Juliet repeats an oft-uttered line from this show: "Live together, die alone."

"We're the good guys." — Another familiar phrase, this time said by Bram about the little group he has with Ilana. They search around for Jacob, find his cabin, torch his cabin, and move on to the statue foot — all the while lugging around a large metal crate. Ilana poses the question ("What lies in the shadow of the statue?") to "Ricardos," who answers her in Latin: "He who will protect/save us all." Ilana smiles, introduces herself to Richard, and shows him what's in the crate: Locke's freaking body.

Anti-climax before a climax — Just before Jack drops the bomb core into the pit all the lovebirds exchange meaningful glances, and they all cringe for the explosion . . . which doesn't happen. But then metal things start flying down the pit, causing Phil to be impaled, Dr. Chang to have his arm crushed (so that's how that happens!) and Juliet to get dragged down the pit by chains. In the moment when Juliet is pulled toward the pit I couldn't help but think of that new movie Drag Me to Hell — it was so horror movie-ish. It gets worse, of course, as Sawyer tries desperately to save her but she ends up flying down the pit anyway. And then she bangs on the bomb with a rock until the fifth season of Lost ends with a white screen.

Poor Ben — The way Locke gets Ben to want to kill Jacob is pretty great — and he has a good point. Ben has suffered and sacrificed tremendously for this dude he was never allowed to even meet. Ben wonders plaintively why Jacob wanted Locke and not him. "What was it that was so wrong with me? What about me?"

Ch-ch-ch-changes — Locke promises Ben that things will change with Jacob gone. I can't wait to see how . . .

Loopholes — In the beginning of this whole thing, a man expresses to Jacob how much he wants to kill him (but clearly cannot, because Jacob would be dead by now if he could) and he vows to find a "loophole." In the end, Locke gets Ben to kill Jacob for him — and this is the loophole. So who is that guy at the beginning? And in the beginning they reference "them." "They come, fight, they destroy, they corrupt. It always ends the same." And then at the end, just before Locke kicks the wounded Jacob into the fire, Jacob sputters out, "They're coming."

Photo copyright 2009 ABC, Inc.

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reesiekitty reesiekitty 7 years
bastylefilegirl- Lapudis is also A PILOT. And didn't Illana call him 'the candidate'? I wonder if its literal??
reesiekitty reesiekitty 7 years
Wow- I was in the UK for 3 weeks and my BF Tivoed everything, so I have just had a 4 hour Lost-fest!! Ok- 1) Bernard and Rose were not in THE cabin ( the one we see Horace making, and where Ben later leads Locke to 'meet Jacob' ) They had built their own place, which was obviously a much different cabin and also closer to the beach. Still, I liked that the loose end was tied up and yea, Vincent! Also, in a classic philosophical tradition, there are always those who 'opt out' and choose a lack of action. So R&B fit that perfectly. It's also cool if they are the Adam and Eve skelletons from season 1. 2)As far as Jacob and his nemesis go: I don't think we have to Christianize it by calling them God and the Devil, etc, or even Good and Evil. It all does depend on how you look at it. Jacob wants to see change occur, even if it is brought about by conflict and possible suffering ( presumably because he is just curious or thinks the end result will be worth it) while the Other wants to maintain the status quo- 'if it ain't broke, don't fix it' . Either rational can make sense in a lot of situations and neither position is particularly good or evil in and of itself. That said, here are some Jacob questions: 1) He showed up in each of the Lostie's lives at a pivotal moment, usually just as or after something bad had happened. Now- did he just know when to show up, or did he manipulate events somehow to CAUSE those things to occur? Is he able to create events, or can he just 'react' or do 'damage control' on them? The latter makes more sense to me, because I believe the statue he is under is absolutely Sobek the crocodile god, and Sobek doesn't really cause things to happen, but sort of tries to mop up afterwards and is not a purely good or evil god. Whereas Smokey very CLEARLY resided under Anubis, the god of the dead. I do believe that the dark haired man is somehow Smokey in human form and that he can also take on the form of those who have either come to the island dead or died while on the island. This would also be in line with Anubis' traditional powers over the world of the dead. So although everyone is obviously sort of lining up on one side or the other, I think either group could have the potential to do good or harm. Ben- I think Jacob put Ben into the classic test of faith- the tests of Abraham or Job, if you wanted to use a biblical comparison- it's easy to be faithful when nothing bad is happening to you. But when you sacrifice your daughter to the Island, you lose everything you have, you do terrible things in pursuit of a goal you don't really comprehend, all out of faith... well, its understandable if you can't keep that up. Jacob wanted to push Ben to his absolute limit and see what happened. And Ben, by questioning Jacob and then stabbing him, just proved Jacob's point completely- that's why not, Ben. Because you didn't have the faith required. On the other hand, what does it say of Jacob that he asked all this of Ben? Why did he do it? Smokey/Locke/OtherGuy has a major point when he says to everyone that they've been going along all this time not knowing who was giving orders or why. Again, it is not inherently evil to QUESTION- but Jacob doesn't seem to take it very well. What Ben truly reaps here is the consequence of pretending while he was leader, that he really WAS talking to Jacob up at the cabin. I believe Smokey-man was held to the cabin by the ring of ash ( again, another classic legend/myth motif) and Ben or someone allowed him out by breaking the circle. Previously, perhaps only Jacob could leave the Island at will, but freeing Smokey from the circle allowed him to leave too, and enter into Locke's dead body. Remember, Ben said he could call up Smokey, but NOT control it. Juliet & Sawyer- sad, but meant to be that way? I sort of hope J isn't dead, but I don't see how that could be. It's interesting how Jack takes on Locke's early role in the series as the 'destiny' guy- but Jack has pretty much bet everything on coming back to the Island, so he kind of HAS to cling to that. Miles and Hurley were great as well. Still not sure what's up with Illana and Bram, but they obviously have some info everyone else doesn't. And Richard, although very very old ( I think he comes on the Black Rock, personally) obviously ISN'T a god or omniscient or anything like that. He's just there to assist the Leader. Wow... I feel like I left a lot out :)
kscincotta kscincotta 7 years
So I'm coming to this discussion a bit late, but after reading all of the comments, I have a thought. Many of you seem to think that Esau lives in the cabin and has been contained there by the ashes. I actually think that Jacob has been the one held captive in the cabin while Esau is running around as the Black Smoke Monster. I also think that when the ashes got smudged, Jacob was able to break out and moved to his true home in the statue. In the flashbacks, we either saw Jacob off island in the somewhat distant past (Kate, Sawyer, Jack, Jin, Sun, Locke) or in the immediate past after our Losties have come and gone from the island the first time (Hurley, Sayid). There seems to be a gap during which time Jacob could have been held captive. That would explain why Locke's only interaction with Jacob in the cabin was when he heard Jacob say "Help Me". Anyways, just a thought. It's going to be a long nine months!
bleached bleached 7 years
syako syako 7 years
I think it looks like Kate's too, geek.
bastylefilegirl bastylefilegirl 7 years
Elizabeth Mitchell aka Juliet is suppose to be starring in *gasp* V: The Series ( ABC) this Fall...yes that V about aliens that look like reptiles underneath human skin. I loved that show! So Juliet may really be dead
Tech Tech 7 years
Wow--those eyes! Well, now I definitely think that the eye is not Jack's but a woman's, and Kate's, who has green eyes.
syako syako 7 years
It's definitely a green eye. Juliet has very blue eyes.
Tech Tech 7 years
Anon--you're not alone, it didn't look like Jack's eye to me and did look like a woman's. Def could have been Juliet.
pianoteacher1 pianoteacher1 7 years
haha, no one agrees with me that Jacob and the other guy could be from outer space? lol i have to agree with another person that when the guy from Dharma got stabbed, I was actually cheering and clapping, I know...sick...but too bad it isn't Tom Cruise from Tropic mean Kadinsky(??), whatever his name is
lillyflwr lillyflwr 7 years
I dont think the show ever gave him a name, every one just started calling him Esau in relation to the bible story. So basically, Lost is all about the fight between the two brothers. Did you notice how Esau was older than Jacob, yet Jacob was seemingly the leader. "The prophecy also said that the older would serve the younger..." This show has to be one of the smartest shows on tv.
caryatid caryatid 7 years
locke not being locke was hinted a LOT - check out some past episodes! the smoke monster and locke pulling a clark kent/superman trick, richard saying he seems different, locke saying he's still the same locke, etc, etc, etc. i am really excited for next season (2010..........ugh) and getting to learn about richardus (ha) and the black rock. and wtf is a candidate? how do ilana and jacob know each other? i think 'they' must be the losties from the past, reuniting in the future. lord knows once they all realize unlocke has been playing them all, stuff will go down... that is, if they are still on the island!!
Renees3 Renees3 7 years
we never got the name of that guy (who we think is now inhabiting Locke) but people are calling him Esau for the Biblical reference. He doesn't really have a name yet though
nessa17 nessa17 7 years
Never mind his name is Esau, but I could have swore I didnt hear his name. This reminds me of Bible story which I think has been mentioned.
nessa17 nessa17 7 years
This was a great episode and I actually learned a lot and wasn't confused as usual. What I got from it is that basically the show is about two men fighting for power on the island. Anyways, Juliet's almost death was horrible and it was so sad when Sawyer started bawling, it had me in tears. I also liked seeing all the encounters Jacob had with the Losties. The fake Locke guy scares me and did we ever learn his name?
bastylefilegirl bastylefilegirl 7 years
OMG not my last post..... Check out who found the ancient document "Decree of Canopus" none other than ...... Karl Lepdis This show is amazing!
laceykk23 laceykk23 7 years
jacob was paul on dexter! i thought this episode was great!! seriously january cant come fast enough!!
bastylefilegirl bastylefilegirl 7 years
Okay this is my last post..... I'm going back and forth reading different theories and someone had mention how the Producers have said if you understand the title of the first episode which was "The Pilot" then you will understand the entire series. Which makes sense in the first episode Locke played badgamon with Walt and discussed light/dark and good/evil with him. Also The Pilot is spoken about in mythology.... If we are going to stay on the Egyptian theme then The pilot could be the the Ancienct Egyptian port city Canopus which was named after The Pilot of Menelus' ship according to Homer. And Canopus is also a star!
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