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Recap and Review of Lost Episode "Sundown" 2010-03-03 05:30:00

Let's Get Lost: "Sundown" Recap

Alright, ABC, you got us. You promo'd this week's Lost as so incredibly shocking you couldn't even show us the footage. Well, it has its share of jaw-dropping moments (especially the last five minutes!), but mainly, it just serves as a nice connection episode, ready to set us up for when the real drama hits the fan. And boy, is it about to.

The storyline focuses on Sayid as he finally confronts Dogen about why he's trying to kill him. A four-star fistfight ensues — seriously, Jason Bourne, eat your heart out — which kick starts another battle of good against evil, but this time, with Sayid as the pawn. Plus, in a nice flip to the sideways world, we learn more Sayid's family and the woman he loves. I don't want to give too much away, so let's get down to it. Relive the episode (and share your theories to some of my questions!) when you

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  • In the alternate reality, Nadia is alive! The downside: she's married to Sayid's brother. So why aren't they together? Sayid tells her that she's too good for him, which makes me question how his past has changed. He definitely still served as an interrogator, as his brother asks him to ward off money thugs whom he owes money to. Sayid declines, but when his brother gets mysteriously mugged, he second guesses his decision (note: remember Nadia once was mugged, too). The loan men show up — and they're the mercenary henchmen Martin and Omar! — and Sayid turns the tables by killing them all. Then in another twist, Sayid finds another man they were holding hostage, and it's Jin. I love the crossed paths between the characters, but I'm curious to watch how Sayid and Jin will come together. Got any ideas?
  • After last week's glimpse of Dogen in the sideways world, we hear more about his history. As I mentioned, he fights Sayid in the show's opening, but when he has the chance to take Sayid's life, Dogen turns him away instead while staring at a baseball. I don't know about you, but I immediately thought of Jack and his connection to his father and the Red Sox. Dogen later explains himself, saying that he once drank too much and picked his son up from baseball practice, killing him in a car accident. Jacob supposedly came to him in the hospital offering him his son's life back in exchange for working on the island, which Dogen obviously agreed to. I enjoyed this larger look into Dogen's life, but unfortunately all we get is a peek. You'll know why if you keep reading.
  • Interesting to note: Dogen's explanation of his test for Sayid. He says that for every man there is a scale — one side's good; the other evil — and that Sayid's tipped the wrong way. Perhaps that also plays into the scale that we saw in the cave?
  • Sayid strikes a deal. Dogen sends him to kill Locke, and Sayid attempts to do so — but OMG, Locke yanks out the dagger, and he's still standing. He explains the obvious: Dogen thought Locke would kill Sayid for him. Instead, Locke recruits Sayid, telling him he'll get the woman "who died in his arms" (Nadia or Shannon?) if he convinces the others to join – and if he kills Dogen. Sayid follows orders, drowning Dogen in the temple pool. Lennon walks in, exclaiming that Dogen was the only one who could save them from him (Locke, duh). Oh, then Sayid kills Lennon, too. Why do you think Dogen was the only one who could protect them? What is, er, was his role?
  • With Dogen dead, Locke turns into the smoke monster, storming the temple to kill everyone. It's a bloodbath, but from the mass of bodies, Claire, Sayid, and Kate emerge, along with a few others who've now changed sides. Why is Kate spared? Since her name isn't in the cave that Sawyer and Locke visited, I'm guessing she's not a "candidate" — so what does Locke want with her? And will Claire try to kill Kate for taking Aaron from her?
  • Another woman that has me curious: Ilana. We know she came to the island for Jacob, but towards the end of the episode she pops out of nowhere with Ben and Frank to bring them to safety inside the temple wall. And she actually knows which hieroglyphic to choose on the door. She just knows too much! So what is her story? And for crying out loud, what do those hieroglyphs mean?! Supposedly the one on the escape door is a Shen ring, which represents eternal life and dual concepts of time.

The episode closes with Locke having his new army of followers, as he ventures out into the jungle — no doubt looking for Jacob. It feels like we're revving up for a battle of epic-sized proportions, but till then, let's start swapping thoughts about "Sundown." I'm dying to hear your theories about Kate's involvement and Illana! Post them in the comments or head on over to Lost Fans in community to chat some more.

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GirlC GirlC 5 years
I give up. I could care less if I see anymore episodes. I'll probably read a few synopsis, but at this point, Lost is annoying me.
Jelly888 Jelly888 5 years
I was thinking at the end that maybe Kate and Jin will join forces as they seem to have been forced into joining Flocke.And what happened to Ben? He didn't join the others in the secret passage. I was glad that Miles got out. I like his character and didn't want him to die.Also, is anyone else thinking that it's going to be going back to the days when the Losties had to pick who to follow Jack or Locke? That's what this reminded me of. Didn't Claire pick Locke back then too? I think it's going to come down to those two 'leading' two groups again but I guess they have switched and now Flocke wants to get off the island. And despite what people think, I like Kate and am glad she is alive!
Jelly888 Jelly888 5 years
I was thinking at the end that maybe Kate and Jin will join forces as they seem to have been forced into joining Flocke. And what happened to Ben? He didn't join the others in the secret passage. I was glad that Miles got out. I like his character and didn't want him to die. Also, is anyone else thinking that it's going to be going back to the days when the Losties had to pick who to follow Jack or Locke? That's what this reminded me of. Didn't Claire pick Locke back then too? I think it's going to come down to those two 'leading' two groups again but I guess they have switched and now Flocke wants to get off the island. And despite what people think, I like Kate and am glad she is alive!
Emilaiei Emilaiei 5 years
I think Sayid has always been a killer even though he is also a nice guy. Definitely one of my favorite characters, he is so tormented. But maybe he has had it a little too rough all ready?
Entertainment Entertainment 5 years
My brain hurts.
Entertainment Entertainment 5 years
My brain hurts.
hokiepokie hokiepokie 5 years
We didn't see Kate's name in the cave, but her name was in the lighthouse. She's candidate #51. mstrauss - I'm thinking the same thing! (sort of) I think the off-island timeline is what will happen after MIB wins. The only different part of my theory is that when they tried to set off the bomb, Jacob somehow kept that from working, and when MIB wins, everything influenced by Jacob will be undone. So, MIB will be free, the bomb will go off, Jacob will never interfere with the candidates' lives and what we see off-island is what happens ... but somehow, what happened on the island did actually happen and they'll remember it either when MIB wins or when they "die" on the island. I think we'll see Juliet off-island later in the season talking about going dutch and that's when she'll remember. She seemed to be aware of both timelines/universes/whatever they are when she died on the island. pianoteacher1 - I think the Dharma Initiative studied them or something. Remember those cages Kate & Sawyer were in? Those were polar bear cages. I didn't get it until Damon Lindelof said something about it in an interview when talking about questions that had actually been answered that some people didn't know had been answered. This show is so confusing that even when they answer a question, no one can tell/thinks that's actually the answer.
hokiepokie hokiepokie 5 years
We didn't see Kate's name in the cave, but her name was in the lighthouse. She's candidate #51. mstrauss - I'm thinking the same thing! (sort of) I think the off-island timeline is what will happen after MIB wins. The only different part of my theory is that when they tried to set off the bomb, Jacob somehow kept that from working, and when MIB wins, everything influenced by Jacob will be undone. So, MIB will be free, the bomb will go off, Jacob will never interfere with the candidates' lives and what we see off-island is what happens ... but somehow, what happened on the island did actually happen and they'll remember it either when MIB wins or when they "die" on the island. I think we'll see Juliet off-island later in the season talking about going dutch and that's when she'll remember. She seemed to be aware of both timelines/universes/whatever they are when she died on the island.pianoteacher1 - I think the Dharma Initiative studied them or something. Remember those cages Kate & Sawyer were in? Those were polar bear cages. I didn't get it until Damon Lindelof said something about it in an interview when talking about questions that had actually been answered that some people didn't know had been answered. This show is so confusing that even when they answer a question, no one can tell/thinks that's actually the answer.
pianoteacher1 pianoteacher1 5 years
Well, I just have to say recording Lost without commercial interruptions kicks ass! The story moves more naturally! I've watched three episodes of Lost (in a row) and I think this is how people should watch it...lol. The show is constructed like an addictive novel. I am not a crazy Lost fan, so I don't know who Ilana is, but I think she is as ancient as Jacob and Smoke Monster. It would not surprise me if they are both fighting to get her love in the ancient world. Then she dies, and the little boy offers up a deal to these two guys that if they come to the island she wil be alive in the other world. But she loved Jacob eventually and decided to come back and search for her (a la Penny), that's why she cry when she knew Jacob's dead. Wow, my theory is totally BS.....lolBTW, what happened to be Polar Bear, is the mystery solved already?
pianoteacher1 pianoteacher1 5 years
Well, I just have to say recording Lost without commercial interruptions kicks ass! The story moves more naturally! I've watched three episodes of Lost (in a row) and I think this is how people should watch it...lol. The show is constructed like an addictive novel. I am not a crazy Lost fan, so I don't know who Ilana is, but I think she is as ancient as Jacob and Smoke Monster. It would not surprise me if they are both fighting to get her love in the ancient world. Then she dies, and the little boy offers up a deal to these two guys that if they come to the island she wil be alive in the other world. But she loved Jacob eventually and decided to come back and search for her (a la Penny), that's why she cry when she knew Jacob's dead. Wow, my theory is totally BS.....lol BTW, what happened to be Polar Bear, is the mystery solved already?
mstrauss mstrauss 5 years
Whiplash...see my theory above about why the "sideways" reality is important.
WhatTheFrockBlog WhatTheFrockBlog 5 years
I am also bummed that Sayid went evil. He's been one of my favorite characters from the beginning.I just can't help wondering why we're supposed to care about the sideways reality. Or why we're supposed to care about Ilana.
WhatTheFrockBlog WhatTheFrockBlog 5 years
I am also bummed that Sayid went evil. He's been one of my favorite characters from the beginning. I just can't help wondering why we're supposed to care about the sideways reality. Or why we're supposed to care about Ilana.
bingbingboom bingbingboom 5 years
Ok, I have to stay the appearance of Flocke and Sayid both scared me. Their eyes were steaming with evilness. Good acting jobs! Compared to these two, Claire seems not so much evil but silly. I thought Kate was going to die in last night's episode as well. However, she survived and joined Flocke's team, WHAT???
bingbingboom bingbingboom 5 years
Ok, I have to stay the appearance of Flocke and Sayid both scared me. Their eyes were steaming with evilness. Good acting jobs! Compared to these two, Claire seems not so much evil but silly.I thought Kate was going to die in last night's episode as well. However, she survived and joined Flocke's team, WHAT???
mstrauss mstrauss 5 years
While this was a filler episode, I thought the action was alot of fun. I have faith that more answers will come around in the next 10 episodes and I'm sure we will have to figure a few (or many) things for ourselves. The writers don't want to just make it all so obvious. Okay, so I have a theory about the whole island reality/alernate reality: I don't think they are actually happening at the same time, as though the alternate reality is a sideways reality. I think that this alternate reality is actually the future! This week, Flocke tells Sayid that he could give him whatever he wants and we learn from Dogen that this deal would come at a price: basically Sayid would have Nadia alive, but he could never be with her. Well, isn't that what happens in the alternate reality? So I think that we are actually watching a future that exists when MIB/Flocke gets what he wants and wins this "war." I guess that would mean that when the bomb went off back in the 70's, it didn't sink the island, but it took that back to the future on the island where everything is going down now. And when Juliet said that "it worked", maybe by them getting themselves back to the future, they are able to then deal with this Flocke/MIB situation and then turn back time. I am still so captivated by the connections between the losties in the alternate reality, and now I am beginning to think about them with this new theory. Obviously everyone does not make a deal with Flocke but as the next few episodes break down, maybe we will begin to understand how their pasts on the island have affected their "future" off the island. I hope that all makes sense.
mstrauss mstrauss 5 years
While this was a filler episode, I thought the action was alot of fun. I have faith that more answers will come around in the next 10 episodes and I'm sure we will have to figure a few (or many) things for ourselves. The writers don't want to just make it all so obvious. Okay, so I have a theory about the whole island reality/alernate reality: I don't think they are actually happening at the same time, as though the alternate reality is a sideways reality. I think that this alternate reality is actually the future! This week, Flocke tells Sayid that he could give him whatever he wants and we learn from Dogen that this deal would come at a price: basically Sayid would have Nadia alive, but he could never be with her. Well, isn't that what happens in the alternate reality? So I think that we are actually watching a future that exists when MIB/Flocke gets what he wants and wins this "war." I guess that would mean that when the bomb went off back in the 70's, it didn't sink the island, but it took that back to the future on the island where everything is going down now. And when Juliet said that "it worked", maybe by them getting themselves back to the future, they are able to then deal with this Flocke/MIB situation and then turn back time. I am still so captivated by the connections between the losties in the alternate reality, and now I am beginning to think about them with this new theory. Obviously everyone does not make a deal with Flocke but as the next few episodes break down, maybe we will begin to understand how their pasts on the island have affected their "future" off the island. I hope that all makes sense.
jadenirvana jadenirvana 5 years
I agree, I'm a bit sad. Locke and Sayid were such cool noble characters and I don't like seeing them turn evil. I hope they turn back and this isn't our last memory of them. Of all the things the writers could have chosen to do, an evil zombie army isn't really working for me.
myfairlady93 myfairlady93 5 years
Out of all the original Losties, Sayid has always been my favorite, so I had a hard time seeing go all evil on me. My question is: If Sayid had not been brought back to life presumably by Smokie, and had either survived on his own or been healed by the pool, would he still have sided with Smokie? Since the only thing he ever wanted in this timeline and in the flash-sideways is Nadia, would he still have chosen to side with Smokie even if he hadn't been claimed? I have no clue what Dogen's role was...it would have been interesting to see him and Richard together so as to better understand 'the chain of command.' And yet another week in which Kate doesn't get killed...She just needs to die already. I'm pretty sure that her involvement is just self-preservation at this point, as well as her desire to be by Claire. I am also super curious about Ilana and I wish we were getting an episode about her, but I'm pretty sure that we aren't. Plus, where was Richard? Why didn't he make it to the Temple? I'm pretty sure we get to see him next week though.
myfairlady93 myfairlady93 5 years
Out of all the original Losties, Sayid has always been my favorite, so I had a hard time seeing go all evil on me. My question is: If Sayid had not been brought back to life presumably by Smokie, and had either survived on his own or been healed by the pool, would he still have sided with Smokie? Since the only thing he ever wanted in this timeline and in the flash-sideways is Nadia, would he still have chosen to side with Smokie even if he hadn't been claimed?I have no clue what Dogen's role was...it would have been interesting to see him and Richard together so as to better understand 'the chain of command.'And yet another week in which Kate doesn't get killed...She just needs to die already. I'm pretty sure that her involvement is just self-preservation at this point, as well as her desire to be by Claire.I am also super curious about Ilana and I wish we were getting an episode about her, but I'm pretty sure that we aren't. Plus, where was Richard? Why didn't he make it to the Temple? I'm pretty sure we get to see him next week though.
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