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Aloha Queen? Native Group Wants Hawaiian Monarchy Back

Some natives in Hawaii want to reclaim their island's sovereignty. The Hawaiian Kingdom Government issues its own license place, and operates under a separate judicial system. Her Majesty Mahealani Kahau leads the group of 1,000 members who claim the right to dissolve Hawaii and confiscate all bank assets in the state.

The official American state government pretty much leaves the legally unenforceable monarchy alone. Out of the population of 1.3 million, 200,000 are Hawaiian natives. Hawaii boasts numerous organizations claiming sovereignty over the island on behalf of the natives.

Before the US annexed Hawaii in 1898, Queen Liliuokalani ruled the paradise. American businessmen ousted and imprisoned the queen, and now the Kingdom Government is fighting for reparations. In 2007, they levied a $7 trillion fine on the American state. Think they'll have any luck?

Do native Hawaiians have a right to assert their sovereignty? Legislation passed by the House of Representatives, and awaiting adoption by the US Senate, would grant Native Hawaiians self-government similar to American Indian tribes. Will that be enough to address past wrongs?

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dragons dragons 7 years
Hi folks from England, as a loyal subject of Her Majesty maybe a word or two is allowed about how it feels. Its absolutely fine - and right for us, mind you I have faint doubts about Charles .... Only the Government opresses us these days. Did you know that there is another Monarch within the Commonwealth, the ruler of Tonga. And maybe also for Samoa?, thats the other part, you really ought to look up that story! Oh yes and why is there something familiar to me about the state flag? And is the name Dole familiar - in a historical context that is? warmest regards Stafford
stephley stephley 7 years
GS, It's an interesting group you quote - and they may have convinced you that liberalism has failed. #1 is opinion with no facts offered to support anything. The Rufus Pollack article, which reads like a university research paper, is talking about liberalism in Italy in the mid-1800s. Liberal in Europe means something very different from liberal in the U.S. - definitely an apples to oranges comparison. Leo Strauss is a philosopher who is considered by some to be the father of current neo-conservative thinking in the U.S. That would be like me telling you conservatism is dead and citing Arthur Schlessinger as my authority. You'd pay no attention and realistically, I shouldn't expect you to. The Mark J. Perry paper is about socialism, which is not the same as liberalism.
stephley stephley 7 years
For what it's worth GS, I had to ask Team Sugar to free up a couple of posts of mine that got caught in the spam filter this week. Maybe that's happening to yours.
stephley stephley 7 years
I'm fine with it.
amybdk amybdk 7 years
GS: look who's talking!
Great-Sommelier Great-Sommelier 7 years
whoops, responded on the wrong thread. And steph, I am by far not the only person who thinks you have gotten progressively more rude over the past couple of weeks. So attacking me is just proving my point further.
stephley stephley 7 years
It'll turn up, mine always do - usually after I've written something trying to explain what I said which is very frustrating. :)
Great-Sommelier Great-Sommelier 7 years
I have tried to respond but it is getting flagged. It is my links I suppose.
Great-Sommelier Great-Sommelier 7 years
1. In Lyndon Johnson's war on poverty, America built housing projects for the poor and underprivelidged. Then the problems started a) Crime was out of control due to the tiny area so many people were crammed into. B) no nearby employment, no nearby provisions, including no nearby grocery stores or gas stations. 2. Just read the teaching of Leo Strauss Strauss taught that liberalism in its modern form contained within it an intrinsic tendency towards relativism, which in turn led to two types of nihilism. The first was a “brutal” nihilism, expressed in Nazi and Marxist regimes. These ideologies, both descendants of Enlightenment thought, tried to destroy all traditions, history, ethics and moral standards and replace it by force with a supreme authority from which nature and mankind are subjugated and conquered. The second type- the ‘gentle’ nihilism expressed in Western liberal democracies- was a kind of value-free aimlessness and hedonism, which he saw permeating the fabric of contemporary American society. In the belief that 20th century relativism, scientism, historicism, and nihilism were all implicated in the deterioration of modern society and philosophy, Strauss sought to uncover the philosophical pathways that had led to this state. The resultant study lead him to revive classical political philosophy as a source by which political action could be judged 3. Italy, The Failure Of The Liberal State 1876-1914 http://www.rufuspollock.org/nonfiction/italy_the_failure_of_the_liberal_state_1876_to_1914.html 4. Why Socialism Failed http://spruce.flint.umich.edu/~mjperry/socialism.htm And I can go on and on, I just tried to list a varied little group here.
stephley stephley 7 years
It's only rude and mean when someone disagrees with you. Otherwise, you feel quite free to say anything you please - see comments 21 and 23 as examples.
Great-Sommelier Great-Sommelier 7 years
Steph, as each day passes you are getting progressively ruder and downright mean.
CaterpillarGirl CaterpillarGirl 7 years
rowrr
CaterpillarGirl CaterpillarGirl 7 years
rowrr
stephley stephley 7 years
No one raised the issue of patriotism, feel as you please.Otherwise, you responded with a non sequitur - I'm guessing it was in order to change the subject from a comment you couldn't defend.
stephley stephley 7 years
No one raised the issue of patriotism, feel as you please. Otherwise, you responded with a non sequitur - I'm guessing it was in order to change the subject from a comment you couldn't defend.
Great-Sommelier Great-Sommelier 7 years
And I know you are probably already rolling your eyes at my patriotism that you probably see as extreme. If not, I apologize, it is just the usual response I get from liberals when I speak of my love for this amazing country.
Great-Sommelier Great-Sommelier 7 years
hyno, i have absolutely no problem with other countries being prosperous and can't find where I implied that I did. I just think they should prosper on their own. And steph, never will I ever say that someone can take over this country. I for one will go down in a blaze if someone tried. America the home of the free and the brave is my truism. I can give you many more slogans and mottos, but I think you get my point.And ona, i meant pfft...that was extreme. And that is what I said. That was my comment on your extreme statement about learning chinese.
Great-Sommelier Great-Sommelier 7 years
hyno, i have absolutely no problem with other countries being prosperous and can't find where I implied that I did. I just think they should prosper on their own. And steph, never will I ever say that someone can take over this country. I for one will go down in a blaze if someone tried. America the home of the free and the brave is my truism. I can give you many more slogans and mottos, but I think you get my point. And ona, i meant pfft...that was extreme. And that is what I said. That was my comment on your extreme statement about learning chinese.
hypnoticmix hypnoticmix 7 years
GS: I don't believe that sharing the distribution of power is a result of being dominated nor do I believe sharing the distribution of power is a sign of weakness. Americas well being and place at the table with fellow superpowers of the future will be determined by our ability to adjust to a new age. If we play our cards right there is no reason that we should not sit at the head of that table and be looked to for guidance and respected for having forged the path for the others. How can we sit here today and claim to start wars in foreign lands for the purpose of spreading freedom, democracy, and free economies so that other societies can be blessed with the same liberties that we as Americans have enjoyed and then turn a quick hand to say you can be prosperous but just not as prosperous as us.
hypnoticmix hypnoticmix 7 years
GS: I don't believe that sharing the distribution of power is a result of being dominated nor do I believe sharing the distribution of power is a sign of weakness. Americas well being and place at the table with fellow superpowers of the future will be determined by our ability to adjust to a new age. If we play our cards right there is no reason that we should not sit at the head of that table and be looked to for guidance and respected for having forged the path for the others. How can we sit here today and claim to start wars in foreign lands for the purpose of spreading freedom, democracy, and free economies so that other societies can be blessed with the same liberties that we as Americans have enjoyed and then turn a quick hand to say you can be prosperous but just not as prosperous as us.
stephley stephley 7 years
Careful GS, it wasn't too long ago that 'the sun never sets on the British Empire' was a truism - and it wasn't liberal governance that did them in.
onabanana onabanana 7 years
CaterpillarGirl. It's called sarcasm. Your comment not appreciate, you're off topic and getting personal.
onabanana onabanana 7 years
Pfft? Really? I mean we disagreed a lot today...I expect more from you. I think you should try again.
Great-Sommelier Great-Sommelier 7 years
The only way America will be dominated is if we let the WEAK and silly coddle us into the grave.
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