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Barack Obama Plans to Close Guantanamo Bay

Barack Obama Plans to Close Guantanamo Bay

Behind the scenes, President-elect Obama is creating a plan to close Guantanamo Bay, and move numerous terrorist suspects to the United States. The detainees, currently in legal limbo, will most likely face trial in the US criminal justice system or be released.

A review of military tribunal files recently revealed that a good amount of the 255 detainees have significant terrorism credentials, such as connections to al Qaeda leaders, assassination experience, and training in the use of poison and disguises. Under Obama's plan, detainees whose cases involve classified and extremely sensitive evidence will most likely go to new courtrooms designed to handle national security cases. Military tribunals would no longer prosecute detainees outside of the US.

Are you happy to see that most detainees will be tried publicly in the United States, or do you think Guantanamo is necessary to win the war on terror?

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SexyNeverLeft78 SexyNeverLeft78 7 years
So true smouri, so true. And Caterpillar, while you are completely right about documentation, my husband had ALL his documention travelling both ways. The point of my post is that the average American has no clue of the details of these ridiculous bills that are passed. I was appalled to realize that a president's "persoonal" issues would manifest themselves into a piece of legislation designed to limit a person's civil rights merely becuase they are not a citizen, regardless if they have lived in this country for more than 20 years. Or the fact the government dismissed him with NO documentation s he could nto even work, yet we are supposed to be the best nation in the world? Our government loosely contructed the language of the Patriot Act so that ANY person that is not a citizen can be considered as "a threat to the safety of our nation" and THAT is what truly terrifies me. How do you leave Florida on a Thursday and return the following Monday and be reviewed as a security threat? My husband and I only travelled to DR once (2000) prior to his trip, which was in 2005 (FOUR YEARS AFTER 9/11 PPL). This disgusting law is still beign used today much more than we even realize...our government preaches about democracy and freedom while forcing it down other countries throats. Then to capitalize on our fear during a time of crisis and then doing NOTHING about it is shameful. The Patriot Act also funded Gitmo, yet what has come out of it other than reports of abuse. Ironic our tax dollars fund the Patriot Act AND Gitmo yet the people in Gitmo have been denied basic human rights regardless.
smouri smouri 7 years
So I wrote this paper as a graduate student a couple of years ago, with a focus on how there has been a shift in the way the US(Bush) has governed since 9/11. The patriot act is a legal document, which represents the terms of governing that the italian scholar Giorgio Agamben has calls the 'state of exeption'. It is where the potentiel threat is stated as a situation where is is okay to suspend basic legal rights for its citizens and others. Guantanamo bay is part of this suspension of rights, where the detaines are not prisoners of war.Even though Bush uses the phrase 'war on terror', his government has chosen to disregard the genevea convention concerning POW, and placed them in the 'state of exception' where they are not officially registered in the US legal or military system. They are detained, but never charged. This suspension of rights started with The Military Order of 13. of November 2001, and has continuted with keeping Guantanamo open until now.It is deemed necessary in regards to the present situation, but that really is a very subjective argument on what is necessary. There are other choices. In the historic perspecive, this line of thought in governing was first introduced by the german philosopher Carl Schmitt in the 1920-30. And used in the way of governing in the following years. The classification of jews as citizens without legal rights, is one example of where the german constitution at the time, included the state of exception in regards to part of the population, if they could be regarded as a potential threat to the state. Needless to say that i fully support the closing down of Guantanamo bay, and letting these socalled unlawful combatants get a trial for which they have been detained. I believe that an suspension of basic human rights must never be an option in the way a country governs...
smouri smouri 7 years
So I wrote this paper as a graduate student a couple of years ago, with a focus on how there has been a shift in the way the US(Bush) has governed since 9/11. The patriot act is a legal document, which represents the terms of governing that the italian scholar Giorgio Agamben has calls the 'state of exeption'. It is where the potentiel threat is stated as a situation where is is okay to suspend basic legal rights for its citizens and others. Guantanamo bay is part of this suspension of rights, where the detaines are not prisoners of war.Even though Bush uses the phrase 'war on terror', his government has chosen to disregard the genevea convention concerning POW, and placed them in the 'state of exception' where they are not officially registered in the US legal or military system. They are detained, but never charged. This suspension of rights started with The Military Order of 13. of November 2001, and has continuted with keeping Guantanamo open until now.It is deemed necessary in regards to the present situation, but that really is a very subjective argument on what is necessary. There are other choices.In the historic perspecive, this line of thought in governing was first introduced by the german philosopher Carl Schmitt in the 1920-30. And used in the way of governing in the following years. The classification of jews as citizens without legal rights, is one example of where the german constitution at the time, included the state of exception in regards to part of the population, if they could be regarded as a potential threat to the state.Needless to say that i fully support the closing down of Guantanamo bay, and letting these socalled unlawful combatants get a trial for which they have been detained. I believe that an suspension of basic human rights must never be an option in the way a country governs...
ceej ceej 7 years
Don't ever underestimate the power of symbolism. This prison has held innocent people who were not tried for YEARS. By closing it down and dealing with the inmates it sends a message to the world that you are acting ethically at last.
ceej ceej 7 years
Don't ever underestimate the power of symbolism. This prison has held innocent people who were not tried for YEARS. By closing it down and dealing with the inmates it sends a message to the world that you are acting ethically at last.
hypnoticmix hypnoticmix 7 years
I think shutting down the prison is being a bit mellow dramatic IMO the act serves no other need than symbolism. The issue is not that there is a prison at Guantanamo. The issue is holding detainees indefinitely. It is more important to me that we begin to process the detainees under the guidelines of the law. I can care less if there is a prison at Guantanamo.
brookrene brookrene 7 years
I gotta say, I don't want any of them here. We already have too many dangerous criminals in our US prisons and the prison system is already way too overcrowded. Would they be held separately than US citizen if found guilty? I know i don't want them in the prison system, BUT WAIT... quite possibly some of the inmates would kill them and that would be good, so maybe that isn't totally bad. Maybe you guys are right, let's relocate them here so the citizens of America can get their retribution!
meringue meringue 7 years
I suppose that was my assumption, since it is a prison, hopefully they will just send them back to their respective countries and quit holding them if they have done nothing wrong...
meringue meringue 7 years
I suppose that was my assumption, since it is a prison, hopefully they will just send them back to their respective countries and quit holding them if they have done nothing wrong...
CYL CYL 7 years
stephley..I agree 150%.
CYL CYL 7 years
stephley..I agree 150%.
stephley stephley 7 years
Considering that a number of military prosecutors have resigned rather than be part of what they called unfair trials, and that in several cases charges have been dropped just before trials were to start, and that dozens of detainees have been released without being charged, you might want to avoid assuming that everyone held at Guantanamo is a criminal.
PinkNC PinkNC 7 years
I hope they are tried in court ASAP and executed if they're guilty. Why keep guilty terrorist around in prison. We don't have enough space for our own criminals. Hopefully Barack will have the courts deal with them in less than a year.
meringue meringue 7 years
They just mentioned on Fox that they are planning to move these criminals to a military base in Fort Leavenworth, Kansas!!! This makes me uneasy, as I live less than an hour from there! Great, take the suspected terrorists and drop them smack in the middle of the US!!! After more thought, this is making more sense to me, as I have a patient whose boyfriend, along with others in his department, were re-located from Iraq to Fort Leavenworth over the summer...
meringue meringue 7 years
They just mentioned on Fox that they are planning to move these criminals to a military base in Fort Leavenworth, Kansas!!!This makes me uneasy, as I live less than an hour from there!Great, take the suspected terrorists and drop them smack in the middle of the US!!!After more thought, this is making more sense to me, as I have a patient whose boyfriend, along with others in his department, were re-located from Iraq to Fort Leavenworth over the summer...
CaterpillarGirl CaterpillarGirl 7 years
I have to say that when you travel, and you arent a legal citizen, and this country has beefed up security you better have the right documents! I just googled travel info and what paperwork you need, and what will happen if you dont have it, and it was all at my fingertips in seconds.
stephley stephley 7 years
I didn't know this specific story, but I know there's all kinds of insidious stuff that has been going on that doesn't get reported on the nightly news. Americans do have to look beyond the mainstream media for information - and certainly the internet makes that conveniebt. Its easy enough I think to find not-mainstream but still legitimate news outlets (NOT just weird blogs) that do write about this stuff.
bellaressa bellaressa 7 years
Thank you SexyNeverLeft78 for sharing your story. I like that sometimes instead of us knowing the rules and understanding that we can put a face to the law and situation and see the outcomes. I am glad that your husband SNL was finally released, what a scary scenario.
ceej ceej 7 years
I'll say it again, I blame Murdoch. Our news is so filtered nowadays. When you look into how little the Americans knew about their standing in the world prior to Sept 11 it's because you just weren't told. I'm sorry if you think it means you have to leave the country but I can understand why.
ceej ceej 7 years
I'll say it again, I blame Murdoch. Our news is so filtered nowadays. When you look into how little the Americans knew about their standing in the world prior to Sept 11 it's because you just weren't told.I'm sorry if you think it means you have to leave the country but I can understand why.
SexyNeverLeft78 SexyNeverLeft78 7 years
TY ceej. After going thru that, we've debated leaving the US because it is apparent the American public is never told the full story, just enough to make the "majority" feel comfortable, yet WE elect these people???? gtfo! Gitmo needs to be closed ASAP and I pray Obama is the man to do it!!!
stephley stephley 7 years
God I hope Obama does turn things around quickly.
ceej ceej 7 years
I think that story sums up why this needs to be acted on immediately. I'm very sorry that you had to go through this and I'm sure it's just one of many tales of injustice.
SexyNeverLeft78 SexyNeverLeft78 7 years
If any of you knew what was TRULY in the Patriot Act, you would be disgusted to no end! My husband, who has been here since he was 5, was detained at JFK and then Homeland Security attempted to deport him under the Patriot Act's Arrival Aliens clause that states if you voluntarily leave the country for any reason (inclduing a weekend trip to the Dominican Republic with his mother), the government has the right to detain and attempt to deport. THIS was passed under the guise "preventing terrorists from entering" yet our government is using this on non-citizens silently since it passed. He was moved from NY to NJ and then Lousianna, where he wa held for 6 months during both Hurricans Katrina and Rita....30k later in lawyers fees he was release and then it took almsot a year to get new documentation, since Uncle Sam felt it was not necessary to give him back his passport, resident alien card, social security card, or license. Mind you, we had to pay over $300 just to replace the resident card and biometrics ALONE. Watch the Terminal again...all that mess abouot a 212c waiver. Well we have one, which we have to carry anytime my husband and I go outside the country. He is flagged, so even went we came back from a family cruise, Homeland Security takes him and interviews him. NICE GOVERNMENT WE HAVE HERE!!!!!!
kranky kranky 7 years
I am curious to see what will happen in this situation. Given the post and other articles I've read, the new courts are going to be something in between traditional US courts, and military courts. Seems like there are going to be a lot of decisions to make as the detainees are not US citizens. They can't really face their accusers... most of them CIA or high level operatives, and evidence was gotten under duress. Are they writing new laws for these people, or are these laws already around?
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