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Being a Muslim Should Not be Political Kryptonite

Barack Obama belongs to the United Church of Christ. Yet some of his opponents try to associate him with Islam. In one debate, Obama had to refute the claim that he took his oath of office on the Koran, and reassured the public that he did in fact use the Christian Bible. Phew. Glad that's settled.

But wait a second. How does that make Muslim Americans feel about a near renunciation of their holy book? Christian Obama-supporters probably don't pick up the back-door insult delivered to their fellow Muslim Americans when they "defend" Obama against charges that he is Muslim.

To find out what Obama said when questioned about his time in Indonesia, a Muslim country,

. Obama explains that he went to school there, but did not practice Islam. He has said:

"It gives me insight into how these folks think, and part of how I think we can create a better relationship with the Middle East and that would help make us safer is if we can understand how they think about issues."

When our leaders use terms like Islamo-fascism, or Islamic terrorists, do you think being linked to Islam is dangerous for a politician? Many citizens are both proud Americans and faithful Muslims. So why is it such a potent political weapon to label a partisan foe a Muslim?

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juju4 juju4 7 years
cmoon -- that is true, and is what keeps me awake at night! I can't believe he brought God into this war.
cmoon cmoon 7 years
I also think we need to remember that some other countries consider the US to be 'terrorists'. Our 'Christian' nation has killed more Muslims in the War on Terror than 9/11 many times over. We also need to remember that our president believes that God has directed him to pursue this path of war. That God put him in the presidency. So you can say this is a holy war. Bush has even said that himself.
cmoon cmoon 7 years
I also think we need to remember that some other countries consider the US to be 'terrorists'. Our 'Christian' nation has killed more Muslims in the War on Terror than 9/11 many times over.We also need to remember that our president believes that God has directed him to pursue this path of war. That God put him in the presidency. So you can say this is a holy war. Bush has even said that himself.
Jillness Jillness 7 years
Wow, Princess! Thank you for all of the information!
Jillness Jillness 7 years
Wow, Princess! Thank you for all of the information!
princess_eab princess_eab 7 years
if you go to the site provided in the famous "Muslim" e-mail, www.snopes.com, you will see that it is a famous "debunking" of urban myths site. Every claim in the e-mail has been proven false as part of an "urban legend" by that site. It is not factual as the e-mail claims; in fact, should anyone simply click the link to Snopes.com, you will see it's been proved "false" at the top of the page. So this evidence actually makes the e-mail debunk itself! Many major news organizations have fully investigated the e-mail's claims over a year ago and continuing to this day, since it is so fast-spreading and so utterly simple to investigate and debunk: --Newsweek's Factcheck.org investigated the claims: http://www.newsweek.com/id/91424 --CNN visited Obama's school in Indonesia (video on Situation Room 1/22/07): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZ4v7iLnvrQ --PBS also investigated the claims: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wBOV0Xu4kY --Prominent Jewish leaders at the Simon Wiesenthal Center wrote a letter of protest against the smear: http://www.wiesenthal.com/site/apps/nl/content.asp?c=fwLYKnN8LzH&b=312458&content_id=%7BB03F16FC-B9E1-4AC9-BD73-3B410581C1E7%7D¬oc=1 --Link to official campaign's rebuttal, with evidence and links: http://www.barackobama.com/factcheck/2007/11/12/obama_has_never_been_a_muslim_1.php
princess_eab princess_eab 7 years
Obama. Does. Not. Have. Ties. To. The. Islamic. Religion.If people want to believe some pie-in-the-sky made-up nonsense about someone just because people tell you to, despite all well-investigated and established facts to the contrary, then there is absolutely NO hope left for Americans. This is depressing.
princess_eab princess_eab 7 years
Obama. Does. Not. Have. Ties. To. The. Islamic. Religion. If people want to believe some pie-in-the-sky made-up nonsense about someone just because people tell you to, despite all well-investigated and established facts to the contrary, then there is absolutely NO hope left for Americans. This is depressing.
jessy777 jessy777 7 years
There are radicals in all religions and I do not believe for a minute that Obama will have a conflict of interest over fighting RADICAL Islamic terrorists because of ties he has within his family. A person can be born into a different religious family and make the choice to follow another faith. Does that mean they are not really of that faith? I have had this argument at work with a co-worker who firmly believes that because his parent(s) may be Muslim that Obama isn't really a Christian. Through her own words she claims that anyone not born a Christian can't truly claim the faith. That puts a lot of born again Christians in the position of defending there decision to join a faith later in life. I do not believe that a person's religious background matters in a presidential race and is certainly not an indicator of their ability to lead. The fact that Obama is willing to put up with such rumors and attacks on his character and continue to run is one of the reasons I support him.
cine_lover cine_lover 7 years
It is all ridiculous Tres. Just imagine what kind of country we would have if people spent as much time researching policy, reading history books, and studying the Constitution as they do listening to rumors and celebrities
EkaterinaBallerina EkaterinaBallerina 7 years
Trixie6: That is an incredibly ignorant stance to take here and it lacks merit and validity. Your religion does not in any way have any bearing on what kind of leader you will be. Lest you forget that we separated church and state a very very long time ago. What conflict of interest?!? Someone has been drinking Bush's kool aid...The terrorists in this world are not only Muslim, they are from every background. The Bush administration has lead the American people to believe that Muslims are our enemies. Maybe extremist Muslims but lest you forget that prior to 9/11 the worst terrorist attack on American soil was committed by a bunch of white, non-Muslim men, in Oklahoma City. The problem with fighting a "war on terror" is that you are fighting an ideal that can reach any person. There is not real way to identify a terrorist. Frankly have relatives that are Muslim may actually be a benefit. If you truly believe that the Muslims are our enemies, then you should know the more you know about your enemy, the less of a threat they can be. And having studied religions of the world and having read the Koran, I can tell you that extremist Muslims take pieces of the text and distort them to their needs and actions. They are not true believers in the religion otherwise they wouldn't twist it so badly. It is similar to those Christian fundamentalists who ignore the "thou shalt not kill" line in the bible and then go set off bombs at abortion clinics. They are terrorists just as much as someone who straps a bomb to themself and set it off in a busy market in Baghdad. I really wish that politicians would stop using religion like this. Bush claimed God told him to go to war in Iraq and look where that got us. Wars fought in the name of religion and against religion get nowhere in this world...they only cause death, destruction, and pain.
EkaterinaBallerina EkaterinaBallerina 7 years
Trixie6: That is an incredibly ignorant stance to take here and it lacks merit and validity. Your religion does not in any way have any bearing on what kind of leader you will be. Lest you forget that we separated church and state a very very long time ago. What conflict of interest?!? Someone has been drinking Bush's kool aid... The terrorists in this world are not only Muslim, they are from every background. The Bush administration has lead the American people to believe that Muslims are our enemies. Maybe extremist Muslims but lest you forget that prior to 9/11 the worst terrorist attack on American soil was committed by a bunch of white, non-Muslim men, in Oklahoma City. The problem with fighting a "war on terror" is that you are fighting an ideal that can reach any person. There is not real way to identify a terrorist. Frankly have relatives that are Muslim may actually be a benefit. If you truly believe that the Muslims are our enemies, then you should know the more you know about your enemy, the less of a threat they can be. And having studied religions of the world and having read the Koran, I can tell you that extremist Muslims take pieces of the text and distort them to their needs and actions. They are not true believers in the religion otherwise they wouldn't twist it so badly. It is similar to those Christian fundamentalists who ignore the "thou shalt not kill" line in the bible and then go set off bombs at abortion clinics. They are terrorists just as much as someone who straps a bomb to themself and set it off in a busy market in Baghdad. I really wish that politicians would stop using religion like this. Bush claimed God told him to go to war in Iraq and look where that got us. Wars fought in the name of religion and against religion get nowhere in this world...they only cause death, destruction, and pain.
trésjolie1 trésjolie1 7 years
Here, here, cine. I'm actually happy that the Republican candidate is John McCain just because I think he has a lot of character unchanged by fashion in Washington. To spend time discussing his natural born citizenship is .. infuriating, and I feel it is the same thing when people don't think Obama is American enough. There will only be bad solutions and outcomes if we jump on every wagon to dissect the opposing party, on any ground, just to get your own candidate ahead. Mandy had a good points in her posts.
cine_lover cine_lover 7 years
Tres it is ridiculous. When are we going to start paying attention to real issues, instead of stupid unfounded reports? It has been going both ways for the people I talk to about Politics. I actually have had to defend Obama and Hilary. I want people to vote on policies, not on rumors. And I want them to truly understand the implications of the policies in which they believe in. I get so frustrated. If I don't know something, I educate myself on it, but I have come to find out, that is rare. I'll get off my soap box now.
cine_lover cine_lover 7 years
Tres it is ridiculous. When are we going to start paying attention to real issues, instead of stupid unfounded reports?It has been going both ways for the people I talk to about Politics. I actually have had to defend Obama and Hilary. I want people to vote on policies, not on rumors. And I want them to truly understand the implications of the policies in which they believe in. I get so frustrated. If I don't know something, I educate myself on it, but I have come to find out, that is rare.I'll get off my soap box now.
cine_lover cine_lover 7 years
"It was started against folks who plan terrible attacks on other countries because the countries disagree with their way of living." These folks are Islamic Fundamentalists, and it is WAY more then just disagreeing with a way of life. They want others eradicated, and they DESPISE America. "Further, this is theoretically a country where you can practice whatever religion you want. (Though with God on both currency and in the pledge to the flag, that is hard to see)" I am going to have to disagree with this. It does not say any specific religion, which leaves it open to all religions. "I don't care what religion Obama is or McCain is or Clinton is or Huckabee is or Nader is or Romney is, so long as they do not try to push their values upon others." I agree with this statement, although I would personally change VALUES to RELIGIOUS BELIEFS. I personally could not care less what religion my President practices. I am Catholic, so was Kennedy, I am not a fan of Kennedy, and I don't feel he portrayed Catholics in a good light. "I would also argue that you can be born technically in the US but not be a US citizen. If, for instance, you are born in the Chinese embassy here in the US, you are born in China." Mandy, I never even thought of that!
cine_lover cine_lover 7 years
"It was started against folks who plan terrible attacks on other countries because the countries disagree with their way of living."These folks are Islamic Fundamentalists, and it is WAY more then just disagreeing with a way of life. They want others eradicated, and they DESPISE America."Further, this is theoretically a country where you can practice whatever religion you want. (Though with God on both currency and in the pledge to the flag, that is hard to see)"I am going to have to disagree with this. It does not say any specific religion, which leaves it open to all religions. "I don't care what religion Obama is or McCain is or Clinton is or Huckabee is or Nader is or Romney is, so long as they do not try to push their values upon others." I agree with this statement, although I would personally change VALUES to RELIGIOUS BELIEFS.I personally could not care less what religion my President practices. I am Catholic, so was Kennedy, I am not a fan of Kennedy, and I don't feel he portrayed Catholics in a good light."I would also argue that you can be born technically in the US but not be a US citizen. If, for instance, you are born in the Chinese embassy here in the US, you are born in China."Mandy, I never even thought of that!
trésjolie1 trésjolie1 7 years
cine; it's totally ridiculous. If John McCain isn't American, then who is?
mandy_frost mandy_frost 7 years
Amen cine! I don't support his bid for the Presidency, but that's because of the issues. McCain was born IN the US. If you are born on US property in another country, you are born in the US. I would also argue that you can be born technically in the US but not be a US citizen. If, for instance, you are born in the Chinese embassy here in the US, you are born in China.
mandy_frost mandy_frost 7 years
Amen cine! I don't support his bid for the Presidency, but that's because of the issues. McCain was born IN the US. If you are born on US property in another country, you are born in the US. I would also argue that you can be born technically in the US but not be a US citizen. If, for instance, you are born in the Chinese embassy here in the US, you are born in China.
mandy_frost mandy_frost 7 years
I mean, you guys all know that the war on terrorism wasn't started against any country or religion, right? It was started against folks who plan terrible attacks on other countries because the countries disagree with their way of living.I still don't understand WHY we are at war with Iraq. To me, it seems we went in to get rid of a dictator and now are just warring with the so-called insurgency that presumably believes one faction of Islam is superior to the others. PLEASE don't tell me you think everyone in Iraq is guilty of something. They aren't. Most people (yes, people -- women, children, AND men) are totally innocent and deaths are happening for no reason.Further, this is theoretically a country where you can practice whatever religion you want. (Though with God on both currency and in the pledge to the flag, that is hard to see.) I don't care what religion Obama is or McCain is or Clinton is or Huckabee is or Nader is or Romney is, so long as they do not try to push their values upon others. (I think that is one of the myriad of problems with the Bush administration: government funding for religious organizations is a little sick to me, for this country at least, no matter if it is Christianity, Islam, Judaism, or any other religion you can think of.)I think the problems with this world come 50% from folks not realizing that others are different than them and being ok with that and 50% from the more advantaged not trying to help the less advantaged. Why are we even debating that first 50%? To me, it should be the easiest problem to fix!Before someone calls me an Obama lover from this post, I'm not. I'm an equality lover.
mandy_frost mandy_frost 7 years
I mean, you guys all know that the war on terrorism wasn't started against any country or religion, right? It was started against folks who plan terrible attacks on other countries because the countries disagree with their way of living. I still don't understand WHY we are at war with Iraq. To me, it seems we went in to get rid of a dictator and now are just warring with the so-called insurgency that presumably believes one faction of Islam is superior to the others. PLEASE don't tell me you think everyone in Iraq is guilty of something. They aren't. Most people (yes, people -- women, children, AND men) are totally innocent and deaths are happening for no reason. Further, this is theoretically a country where you can practice whatever religion you want. (Though with God on both currency and in the pledge to the flag, that is hard to see.) I don't care what religion Obama is or McCain is or Clinton is or Huckabee is or Nader is or Romney is, so long as they do not try to push their values upon others. (I think that is one of the myriad of problems with the Bush administration: government funding for religious organizations is a little sick to me, for this country at least, no matter if it is Christianity, Islam, Judaism, or any other religion you can think of.) I think the problems with this world come 50% from folks not realizing that others are different than them and being ok with that and 50% from the more advantaged not trying to help the less advantaged. Why are we even debating that first 50%? To me, it should be the easiest problem to fix! Before someone calls me an Obama lover from this post, I'm not. I'm an equality lover.
cine_lover cine_lover 7 years
Just wanted to say about McCain being born in another country. He was born on a Military base. There for he is a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN.
Cassandra57 Cassandra57 7 years
Sorry I had to step away. Betting ready for work, so must be brief: mina: * I was not alive at the time of the Revolution or Civil war. I don't think most people consider them recent history. * The "12" number was taken from the post to which I was responding. * I said that his heritage could conceivably make Obama vulnerable, not necessarily biased. Also, it's immediate heritage, not ancestry. How recent were FDR's European roots? I don't have a problem with Islam as a religion, the point is that the terrorists identify so strongly with it as their reason for their attacks. qbert: The motivating force for the Germans in WWII was not their religion, it was their nationalism. (To the best of my knowledge) Therefore, your point is invalid. trejolie: IIRC the violent parts of the Old Testament are more historical report than instructions on how to live. I did not mean to imply that Obama will be soft on terrorists, just that arguments and rationales for attacks or special treatment of Muslims as a group presented to him based on religion may find a more receptive ear than they might with someone else. (Hope that makes sense, I'm rushing here.) I *did* specifically say that one cannot generalize. bailaoragaditana: It's not a matter of heritage, it's an issue of recent and current personal family relationships in troubled regions. Not all Muslims are terrorists, but currently, nearly all terrorists are Muslim. Forgetting this fact just makes us open to more attacks. Look at the situation in England, with a number of mosques housing terrorists and hiding weapons. Folks, I don't say this invalidates Obama's campaign, just that it's a potential vulnerability and may affect his perspective. We should not condemn, but should be cautious.
Cassandra57 Cassandra57 7 years
Sorry I had to step away. Betting ready for work, so must be brief: mina: * I was not alive at the time of the Revolution or Civil war. I don't think most people consider them recent history. * The "12" number was taken from the post to which I was responding. * I said that his heritage could conceivably make Obama vulnerable, not necessarily biased. Also, it's immediate heritage, not ancestry. How recent were FDR's European roots? I don't have a problem with Islam as a religion, the point is that the terrorists identify so strongly with it as their reason for their attacks. qbert: The motivating force for the Germans in WWII was not their religion, it was their nationalism. (To the best of my knowledge) Therefore, your point is invalid. trejolie: IIRC the violent parts of the Old Testament are more historical report than instructions on how to live. I did not mean to imply that Obama will be soft on terrorists, just that arguments and rationales for attacks or special treatment of Muslims as a group presented to him based on religion may find a more receptive ear than they might with someone else. (Hope that makes sense, I'm rushing here.) I *did* specifically say that one cannot generalize. bailaoragaditana: It's not a matter of heritage, it's an issue of recent and current personal family relationships in troubled regions. Not all Muslims are terrorists, but currently, nearly all terrorists are Muslim. Forgetting this fact just makes us open to more attacks. Look at the situation in England, with a number of mosques housing terrorists and hiding weapons. Folks, I don't say this invalidates Obama's campaign, just that it's a potential vulnerability and may affect his perspective. We should not condemn, but should be cautious.
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