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Auntie-Coosa Auntie-Coosa 7 years
Clinton is correct. Obama is divisive. He's allowed people to assume that he is and has even called himself "an African American." He isn't. But he's used OUR biases to get white and black and tan and red and green and yellow people to vote for him. Obama is an ARAB - Caucasion - American with less than the legal amount of African (aka Negro) heritage to qualify to use the self-descriptive term. Torture -- let the military do their job and keep the anti-war press out of the interrogator's room. Water Boarding is just like using a Netty Pot. That's all. The Military are probably inoculating the prisoners for diseases and not using drugs to make them talk. But the Muslims are so sure that Our Military would act as Their Military acts that they worry their heads will be sawed off with a rusty butter knife, ala Daniel Pearl. MUPPETS -- Okay, now we're allowing cloth puppets to make political decisions for us and our young children? What does this say about the intelligence of the Voters? I think Free Speech is butting heads with Propaganda on the Muppet show. McCain -- his true humorous self is slowing being revealed. I think he's more like most Voters than most Voters realize. He thinks people should be moral and should follow their moral beliefs. When an adult says "Do this, it's the correct thing to do because . . . this and that." And then the other person fails to follow the directions, who doesn't get a bit testy? McCain wants to leave the Wright issue alone, but Obama comes out saying McCain has "lost it." NO, NO. That kind of smear is going to get you another Wright comment, Sen. Obama. McCain sets out facts and Obama (and Clinton) set out "feelings." In fact, most all Democrats use the term "feelings" to explain their actions than any other single group. LEEDS, ENGLAND -- Well, if you can't blame Bush, blame AlGore's Internet. Come on, Brits. Give the culprits 1000 hours of Community Service before they can receive their diplomas and you'll create very civic minded students. And it won't happen again. KERMIT? I have a friend here named Kermit, you want him to be President? PS the page disappeared from the link.
janneth janneth 7 years
The delegate seating and the Hil competition are things that the Republicans do not have to deal with. Are the Demos determined to mess this up? Where is Howard Dean? Take control, man!
UnDave35 UnDave35 7 years
That is hilarious!!! It would be funny
Jillness Jillness 7 years
One of my "Obama friends" at work called me into her office (we keep it on the downlow so we don't get in trouble). She said, "Did you hear?? Obama just offered Bill Clinton the vice presidency! Hillary is going to be pissed!" My heart sank! My mouth fell open!! And then she started laughing. Her mom pulled the same joke on her, and she had to do it to me. It isn't true! My heart stopped there for a moment! Oh my goodness...could you imagine? Ha!
Jillness Jillness 7 years
"Neither candidate caused this problem and neither should be blamed for it. What angers me about Clinton is how she painted this as somehow Obama's fault (as far as getting them seated)." I agree. It is to the entire party's detriment.
stephley stephley 7 years
Yeah, this is a management issue that's draining way too much energy and attention from what's important.
lula29 lula29 7 years
I saw an interview with Howard Dean recently that said the delegates would be seated but they are still trying to work out some sort of compromise, which I think is fair. Neither candidate caused this problem and neither should be blamed for it. What angers me about Clinton is how she painted this as somehow Obama's fault (as far as getting them seated).
Jillness Jillness 7 years
"It is very interesting. BUT still it's not the voters faults!" I agree. But it isn't the candidate's fault either! The states' lawmakers screwed their own constituents by intentionally violating the DNC rules. I am really surprised more people are speaking out against their state leaders, because they are the ones that created this chaos. Honestly, it wouldn't surprise me if it was created by anti-democrats, if you know what I mean! I don't understand why democratic leaders in these states would sabatoage their own citizens.
harmonyfrance harmonyfrance 7 years
No at this point it isn't. I'm still not sure about before. BUT his suggestion is that they split the votes 50/50 which is also ridiculous. SIGH it's so frustrating!
harmonyfrance harmonyfrance 7 years
It is very interesting. BUT still it's not the voters faults! I seriously think our ENTIRE voting process needs to be re-evaluated. It's like the government is practically begging for these states to disenfranchise themselves.
Jillness Jillness 7 years
AND, Michigan just proposed a plan to the DNC, and Hillary has publically opposed it! Her letter to Obama suggests otherwise!!! She is confusing me! Camp Hillary is rejecting the new plan floated today by Michigan Dems that would seat the delegation by awarding 69 delegates to Hillary and 59 to Obama. Hillary spokesperson Isaac Baker emails over this: "This proposal does not honor the 600,000 votes that were cast in Michigan's January primary. Those votes must be counted." What can they do to Michigan to be fair? If they have a re-vote, they disenfranchise Independant voters. If they take them as the state wants, Hillary doesn't want it. If they take them as they were...Obama wasn't even on the ballot. What to do? Clearly this issue isn't Obama's doing!
lula29 lula29 7 years
Hillary needs to focus on policy. She's shooting herself in the foot with this argument, because I honestly assume that when the choice isn't between Black and White then these same voters when faced with 2 Whites, but a man and a woman, wouldn't these same voters vote for a White man? It's time to stop dividing voters up racially and start focusing on policy differences.
Jillness Jillness 7 years
Interesting thing about Michigan: "Although Michigan has always run open elections, which allow voters to vote in whatever primary they prefer, voters who participated in the Republican primary in January could not vote in the June election under the proposed law. This class of voters includes Democrats and Independents who chose not to vote in the invalid Democratic primary at the time because the majority of active candidates did not appear on the ballot and the results would not be accepted under party rules. This provision raises a significant constitutional question and, along with it, the prospect for litigation that would undermine the perceived legitimacy of the election and bring preparations to a standstill under circumstances in which such delay is effectively fatal. The claim here could also be presented to the party, under party rules, with a similar effect of putting the election and its results in serious question. The burden on voters here is one of complete disqualification they cannot participate in the Democratic primary in June if they voted in the January Republican primary. Their claim of a violation of their rights would rest on the fact that that the state "changed the rules in the middle of the game." These voters' choice was entirely reasonable in the circumstances: there was no valid Democratic primary available to them at the time, and they could not know that, when their choice was made, that they were disqualifying themselves from participating in a re-run Democratic primary this year that they could know would be held. VERY interesting! Michigan is far more complicated than Hillary suggests.
Jillness Jillness 7 years
"They both have to agree to it though." I know. But the DNC has to find it acceptable FIRST before the candidate's opinions have any say.
stephley stephley 7 years
Fine, I'm fearmongering. But she voted for the war and she bounces around on how committed she is to getting out. More than 60% of the country opposes the war now. If Obama manages to win in November, that number is more likely to climb than to fall because frankly, change will be fashionable. Many republicans think we need to get out of Iraq and with President Obama, they'd be more likely to speak up and be heard - right now, they run the risk of being mocked by their own President. Many military people think we need to get out of Iraq - even the Pentagon's own study has called it a poorly run mess. Remember if Obama wins, the country has voted for a change - and at least in the beginning, the opposition will have to pull back and regroup.
raciccarone raciccarone 7 years
Well, when you say that Hillary will be responsible for people dying if elected to my ear is fear mongering. I think the pressure for him to keep the troops in politically will be much greater. Remember, he won't be answering to just his democratic base after being elected. He'll be trying to make compromises with republicans, most of whom think we should stay in Iraq. He can not withdraw unilaterally and neither can Hillary or McCain.
hypnoticmix hypnoticmix 7 years
Time to get the kids? Who's been sitting on your lap this whole time?
harmonyfrance harmonyfrance 7 years
"Isn't it elitist to assume that working class whites are so uneducated that they are racist and thus won't ever vote for a Black man, unlike other intelligent folks who are able to disregard race?" That is NOT what she said Lula. She said that they tend to vote for her. AND honestly the same can be said for some of the comments that Obama has made. I HATE that this campaign has become about race. It's really upsetting to me.
stephley stephley 7 years
There's just no good way for her side to spin that USA Today interview - its insulting in so many ways.
harmonyfrance harmonyfrance 7 years
Here's another one. I'm still looking for the cnn link. http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080318/NEWS15/80318042 If I'm wrong on this I'm sorry, but how are we to know what is true or not if all the news stations are full of crap? ARGGGG it's so frustrating.
stephley stephley 7 years
Thanks Harmony.Raci, I'm not fearmongering, I'm hopeful. The worst already is happening, she can prolong it or make it worse. Obama will be under far more pressure than any other candidate to withdraw the troops if he wins. And he can: there are a number of active duty and retired U.S. generals who would be very anxious to help him do it. And they would be ready to help him keep us out of war with Iran - talking to Iran would be a decent start.
stephley stephley 7 years
Thanks Harmony. Raci, I'm not fearmongering, I'm hopeful. The worst already is happening, she can prolong it or make it worse. Obama will be under far more pressure than any other candidate to withdraw the troops if he wins. And he can: there are a number of active duty and retired U.S. generals who would be very anxious to help him do it. And they would be ready to help him keep us out of war with Iran - talking to Iran would be a decent start.
lula29 lula29 7 years
Thing is she definitely did do so when she voted for the war in Iraq. Funny too how Obama's words were twisted to make the same statement just uttered by Hillary and he was called an elitist. Even though when the same idea that working class voters wouldn't vote for him based on race was rejected by him. He instead pointed out the bitterness and mistrust of government such people might feel, he didn't call them racist, as has Clinton to make the case for lack of support amongst such voters. Isn't it elitist to assume that working class whites are so uneducated that they are racist and thus won't ever vote for a Black man, unlike other intelligent folks who are able to disregard race? I always thought racism knew no class structure.
lula29 lula29 7 years
Thing is she definitely did do so when she voted for the war in Iraq.Funny too how Obama's words were twisted to make the same statement just uttered by Hillary and he was called an elitist. Even though when the same idea that working class voters wouldn't vote for him based on race was rejected by him. He instead pointed out the bitterness and mistrust of government such people might feel, he didn't call them racist, as has Clinton to make the case for lack of support amongst such voters.Isn't it elitist to assume that working class whites are so uneducated that they are racist and thus won't ever vote for a Black man, unlike other intelligent folks who are able to disregard race? I always thought racism knew no class structure.
harmonyfrance harmonyfrance 7 years
Here is the full Obama campaign memo covering concerns about the Mich. revote/delegate seating http://time-blog.com/real_clear_politics/2008/03/obama_memo_shows_campaigns_con.html GROAN...It's on a blog. I'm still looking for something more official.
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