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True-Song True-Song 7 years
I get annoyed, because even though there's a slight difference between exaggerating and just picking and choosing what parts of your opponents plan to talk about, it's an important difference! I think it's okay to say, "He wants to drill!" but not okay to say, "His whole plan is to drill!"
lilkimbo lilkimbo 7 years
Actually, I am not defending the ad, seeing as I didn't say anything about it at all. I have not seen it yet and don't have sound on my work computer, so I can't judge it until I can see it with sound. And I'm not talking about not explaining every little detail. I'm talking about when people say his only plan is to start drilling. I'm not sure Obama himself has directly said that, but I know his surrogates have. I have also heard his surrogates say multiple times that McCain will stay in Iraq regardless of what Iraqis want, which is another lie. And I will be poster of the month! If I am not at least in the top five, I will be sad. :cry:
Jillness Jillness 7 years
Oh, and if you get poster of the month, Lilkimbo, you need to share the prize. I just helped you big time by inspiring that many repeated posts.
Jillness Jillness 7 years
It seems like you are defending the "whose to blame for high gas prices...Obama, obama, obama" ad. I thought we would all agree that was out of line. It seemed obviously subpar. Flat out, do you think it is respectable for McCain an his surrogates to misrepresent Obama's plans for Iraq? I know you see not explaining every detail of McCain's energy plan as a "lie"...but I don't. Disagreeing with one point of a plan (offshore drilling) doesn't require someone to fully explain every nuance of the opponent's plan, IMO. On the other hand, saying something is "unconditional", when it is not, is a lie.
True-Song True-Song 7 years
Bah! Parenthesis! I give up.
True-Song True-Song 7 years
Oh, shoot! Left out my apostrophe. I wish we could edit! (Though that would, of course, cause chaos.
True-Song True-Song 7 years
And I dont generally use caps but I was typing on my phone, where html is too tricky.
True-Song True-Song 7 years
I'm not seeing the connection to the conversation, but I meandered away for a while so maybe I just lost the train of thought.
lilkimbo lilkimbo 7 years
I capitalized lying to give it the same emphasis Jill did.
lilkimbo lilkimbo 7 years
I agree, torg, which is why I wanted to point out some of the oversimplifications Obama's campaign has made when it comes to McCain. I just wanted to make sure everyone recognizes that it's not one-sided.
True-Song True-Song 7 years
There isn't just "LYING" about one candidate. There are always, always over simplifications on both sides of the other person.
lilkimbo lilkimbo 7 years
I also wonder what is up with people LYING about McCain's plans in Iraq, seeing as he has always said he will withdraw with the Iraqi people are ready.
UnDave35 UnDave35 7 years
"Both candidates take a plane full of reporters with them as they are campaigning. I don't really see how this is different from McCain taking reporters with him on the Straight Talk Express" Going overseas wasn't supposed to be a campaign stop for Obama. I thought this was supposed to be a fact finding mission. If he's going over there to campaign, then I hope that my taxdollars aren't paying for it. This should come out of his campaign budget. I'm off to do business. :wave:
lilkimbo lilkimbo 7 years
And, what is up with the liberal media constantly implying that everyone who isn't planning on voting for Obama is racist, like Chris Matthews did on the Tonight Show Monday night?
lilkimbo lilkimbo 7 years
And, just to clarify, there have been times when Obama has stated his withdrawl plan without speaking about his willingness to change it. He does talk about his willingness to change it, but not every time he talks about it.
lilkimbo lilkimbo 7 years
I wonder the same thing with people LYING about where McCain stands, like when Obama constantly oversimplifies his energy plan, or when his surrogates say that drilling is his entire plan.
Jillness Jillness 7 years
I gotta go, but for your enjoyment, please discuss if you feel like it: 1.) Latest John McCain ad that says Obama is the one to blame for rising oil prices (as his fellow Republican Senators drag their feet on the new "End Oil Speculators" bill). This ad is so illogical it blows my mind. Do you think it will work, or did it over reach? 2.) What is up with the conservative media and McCain surrogates saying that Obama will with draw "unconditionally". He has never said that. He continues to say repeatedly that to protect US interests and to prevent genocide he would reserve the right to deviate from the 16 month timeline. How can so many people LIE about where Obama stands?
stephley stephley 7 years
Andrea Mitchell's not an anchor. ABC is airing an interview with Charlie Gibson today - being seen with the anchors makes sense, spending too much time with reporters dilutes the effort. And giving reporters too much access to any kind of meeting opens the candidate up to claims it's all about the publicity.
Jillness Jillness 7 years
The 3 anchors will get their interviews with him. Andrea Mitchell wasn't one of them.
True-Song True-Song 7 years
I thought I heard the anchors were promised interviews with him...
stephley stephley 7 years
If that's the case Torg, any reporter who goes on an fact-finding trip with a politician and thinks they're going to get significant alone time isn't terribly bright. For the candidate, the whole point of the trip is to be seen and meet with people they don't usually meet - not reporters who are around all the time.
Jillness Jillness 7 years
Please. Sorry, but as a reporter, you aren't allowed access to somethings. No, you can't ride in the Mercedes with the President of Jordan, get over it. No, you won't be allowed in the room when he discusses international security with heads of other countries. I think some reporters have gotten confused that THEY are the news. In areas of high security, they won't be allowed to go everywhere. It is silly to me that she would even bring that up. Both candidates take a plane full of reporters with them as they are campaigning. I don't really see how this is different from McCain taking reporters with him on the Straight Talk Express.
True-Song True-Song 7 years
I thought the "bribe" was time with Obama?
Cassandra57 Cassandra57 7 years
It looks like that web address (which I tried to cleverly convert to text so that it would post) was cut off. Let's try this: http://tinyurl.com/56g429
Cassandra57 Cassandra57 7 years
stephley, I'm not making accusations (yet), just expressing suspicions. That paragraph was a direct quote from Newsbusters, so it's their characterization. One might think that the huge entourage was "bribed" by being brought along on the junket, but only minimally involved in any actual reporting. Their presence lends credibility to any stories that his "people" choose to release. Great Sommelier, it sounds like you're distinguishing between "hard" news and human interest reporting. Is that accurate?
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