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Bush Defends War With Faith

Bush Dedicates the War on Terror to Jesus

Though President Bush makes no secret of the influence his faith has on his agenda, rarely has the president mixed the language of faith and God so closely with talk of war and terrorism as he did yesterday in an address to the National Religious Broadcasters convention in Tennessee. Bush defended his actions in Iraq and Afghanistan with a 42-minute address attributing his faith to his foreign policy.

Coming just one day after spritual leaders protested President Bush's veto of limits to US interrogation techniques, his speech tying the war to a spiritual quest could raise eyebrows. In his speech Bush said,

The effects of a free Iraq and a free Afghanistan will reach beyond the borders of those two countries. . . . It will show others what’s possible. And we undertake this work because we believe that every human being bears the image of our maker. That’s why we’re doing this. No one is fit to be a master, and no one deserves to be a slave.

To see how tied "freedom" to God,

. Bush went on to call freedom a “precious gift,” and said, “The liberty we value is not ours alone. Freedom is not America’s gift to the world; it is God’s gift to all humanity.” From the audience came shouts of, “Amen!”

Do you find it difficult to reconcile the two missions? On the one hand Bush has set out to deliver the divine gift of freedom, while on the other refusing to outlaw inhumane treatment of those who might stand in his way. Is it a case of "do as I say, not as I do?" Or, "damned if you do, damned if you don't?"

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faux-hawk-rock faux-hawk-rock 8 years
scary ... seriously scary. and these people run our country???? no wonder everything's so messed up.
honesty honesty 8 years
Christians should be careful in siding with Bush, who has shown no respect for anybody who is not with him. For Bush its either with him or them. This is contrary to Jesus teaching. American foreign policy has to become impartial or we have no right to criticize others like Iran.
Reveilalie Reveilalie 8 years
Religion—How Did It Begin? THE history of religion is as old as the history of man himself. That is what archaeologists and anthropologists tell us. Even among the most “primitive,” that is to say, undeveloped, civilizations, there is found evidence of worship of some form. In fact The New Encyclopædia Britannica says that “as far as scholars have discovered, there has never existed any people, anywhere, at any time, who were not in some sense religious.” 2 Besides its antiquity, religion also exists in great variety. The headhunters in the jungles of Borneo, the Eskimos in the frozen Arctic, the nomads in the Sahara Desert, the urban dwellers in the great metropolises of the world—every people and every nation on earth has its god or gods and its way of worship. The diversity in religion is truly staggering. 3 Logically, questions come to mind. From where did all these religions come? Since there are marked differences as well as similarities among them, did they start independently, or could they have developed from one source? In fact we might ask: Why did religion begin at all? And how? The answers to these questions are of vital importance to all who are interested in finding the truth about religion and religious beliefs.
Dr-Arthur-Ide Dr-Arthur-Ide 8 years
Which Jesus. According to Matthew 10:34 Jesus reputedly said, "Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth, but a sword. 35 For I have come to turn a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter—in—law against her mother—in—law" and verse 36 a man's enemies will be the members of his own household [a plagarism of Micah 7:6]. Then there is the Jesus who warned people against using the sword: Matthew 26:52—53 says "Put your sword back in its place," Jesus said to him, "for all who draw the sword will die by the sword. 53 Do you think I cannot call on my Father, and he will at once put at my disposal more than twelve legions of angels?" (NIV) Christianity is a mixture of various Jesuses and crucified saviours, merged together by the fourth century, so that the original text is a distortion of the few commentaries by contemporaries. Bush is more in keeping with the militant sector of Christianity that looks forward to the mythology of the Last Judgment and the Ultimate War (Armageddon (Greek αρμαγεδδων; [armageddôn]) which was originally an Egyptian fantasy about a mythological attack on Chaldeans. It was an ancient legend that an ultimate war would be fought between tribes or nations on a area of land known as Megiddo: the Assyrians, Chaldeans and later the Romans reported "world wars" occurring at Megiddo: a staging ground or assembly area for subsequent deployments toward the fortified garrisons uphill from the coast. In every case either a bloodthirsty tyrant or an insane man in charge of a nation (such as Nero or Hitler or Bush) claimed they were fulfilling prophecy and destiny and the will of their god(s)--which were nothing less than crimes against humanity--and each of these leaders should have been executed after trial by a world court. Nazi Germany's soldiers wore belt buckles inscribed "Gott mit uns" ("God is with us") and Bush demands prayers from his men, the leaders of his military harass atheists not only in foxholes but at military schools; etc.
fbcstuart fbcstuart 8 years
So what I am reading is that almost everyone including the author of this article would like to have a non-religious (or if he/she is religious they should never ever talk about it in public or let it effect how they make decisions in anyway) president. Plus, he or she should be a pacifist who ignores and runs from any form of conflict. I love how each post use’s such black and white or absolute terminology. You make claims like you’re absolutely sure that it is bad and wrong for a president to have religious views on political matters. You have absolute understanding of the bill that was vetoed on the US interrogation techniques. I think we need to be a little more tolerant of Bush and his unique perspective. We should not proselytize our personal views on him.
ib422000 ib422000 8 years
At his best, Bush is a delusional, undignified oaf. Just the fact of his denial regarding the murderous, cowboy, based-on-lies invasion of Iraq points to this fact. Add to this his repeated claims of being led by 'Jesus' to spread freedom around the world and you have a certifiable lunatic. This lout has no conscience.
murphi murphi 8 years
Has everyone here forgotten about the inosent people in the Trade Centers? DO you actually believe that If we had not responded to this agression that it would have stopped? I promise you if our next Commander and Chief pulls our forces out before the mission is complete, the terriost will declare victory and will be comming to your neighbor hoods! Do you enjoy feeling safe? Do you enjoy the freedoms you have everyday! It didn't come about by not standing up for them. If each of truly believe that we as humans can exist without defending ourselves and others you have truly missed the bus!
planet1 planet1 8 years
Pardon me Kazzie1 (post#76), are you going for a conversational stopper here? If so, I think you have succeeded. Congratulations. Adios, The Planet
epiksoothsayer epiksoothsayer 8 years
Notice how McCain completely changed his tone and rhetoric after he was the presumptive Republican nominee? Now if that doesn't stink of brainwashing, I don't know what is... Don't believe that brainwashing is possible? Every time you go to McDonald's and they ask you to super-size, that's someone who has been brainwashed to repeat it or lose their job. Bow, sit, kneel. Bow, sit, kneel. Give up your power and money and I'll offer you salvation. Bow, sit, kneel. Bow, sit, kneel. You have no power, I rule over you now. Bow, sit, kneel. Bow, sit, kneel.
planet1 planet1 8 years
This is to "Jillness", post 48. You are right to be uneasy about the stance of the religious right. Let me try to explain. When I was a child, attending Sunday school and Baptist church, much time was spent teaching me how to respond to those who would make fun of me (persecute me) in the name of the Lord. I dutifully learned quite a number of Bible verses, although to be truthful, none seemed to have the "zing" of the responses I read in "The Perfect Squelch" feature of "The Saturday Evening Post", a favorite magazine of the time. It later occurred to me that, as I lived in Alabama, it was unlikely that I would encounter serious opposition to any religiosity I might express. As time went on, it finally became plain to me that in spite of what I had been taught as a child it was quite more likely that it was not Christians who would be subjects of persecution; it would be everybody else. Whatever my subsequent personal development has been is immaterial. What I want to pass along is that the true believer has a built in paranoia. It is a matter of faith to him that if you are not "with us" you are against us. There is no middle ground to be occupied by reasonable people, not when you are dealing with faith. This is why there must be a separation of church and state. It's not about the state denying the right to be religious; it is about the right of the state to not be controlled by religion. Anyway as far as McCain and Obama go, pandering to a block of voters is such a common political ploy as to be utterly unremarkable. Stay awake, The Planet
rocksteel rocksteel 8 years
"Do you find it difficult to reconcile the two missions? On the one hand Bush has set out to deliver the divine gift of freedom, while on the other refusing to outlaw inhumane treatment of those who might stand in his way" I don't know. 'Humane' treatment for people who randomly place bombs on little children and detonate them at schools and markets? "innocent' people like the ones who beheaded Daniel Pearl? I guess I'm just one of those who refuse to believe that people like that deserve 'humane' treatment. They sacrificed that right the moment they chose to become animals.
epiksoothsayer epiksoothsayer 8 years
Do not let a man that has less that 30% approval rating in his own country lead the world to its own destruction!
abracadabras abracadabras 8 years
The effects of a free Iraq and a free Afghanistan will reach beyond the borders of those two countries. . . . It will show others what’s possible. And we undertake this work because we believe that every human being bears the image of our maker. That’s why we’re doing this. No one is fit to be a master, and no one deserves to be a slave. So what? Everyone knows that the President believes in a Creator. So do the Muslims, Hindus, Christians and majority of humans. What he's reiteraating is the principles stated in the Declaration of Independece....that the proper heirarchy of proper human governance recognizes that certain basic human rights come not from the permission of other humans but by our basic created free nature. To see how tied "freedom" to God, read more. Bush went on to call freedom a “precious gift,” and said, “The liberty we value is not ours alone. Freedom is not America’s gift to the world; it is God’s gift to all humanity.” From the audience came shouts of, “Amen!”
epiksoothsayer epiksoothsayer 8 years
Refuse to believe in the cult of the Lepper Messiah, this has nothing to do with Jesus Christ. "I refuse to believe that the same God that has endowed us with sense, reason and intellect has intended us to forgo their use." - Galileo If we are determined to destroy ourselves, we will. If we are determined to save ourselves, we will. War will only lead to more War.
aSLAMMINhottie aSLAMMINhottie 8 years
As a Christian, I'd like to apologize for the hypocrisy he's exhibited in the name of Jesus. I can't speak for his relationship with Christ or how he feels led by the Holy Spirit in his actions, but I do know that "Do not lie" is one of the 10 commandments that God passed on to his people, and this has been a war of lies. Also, when asked what the greatest commandment is, Jesus said "Love the Lord your God with all your heart, soul and mind," and went on to say that the second greatest commandment is to love your neighbor as yourself. I don't see any love in misleading people who trust you and look to you for leadership, nor in killing for money and power. Yes, there should be freedom in Iraq and Afghanistan, but I do not believe that that is our government's primary goal, whatever they say. I believe that if the word of God truly played a role in his policies we would have a very different government; the two things that seperate Christianity from other religions are forgiveness and grace, not hatred and lies. Unfortunately, many Christians live out the latter. I'm so sorry for that. I also recommend the book "Faith and Politics"; it gives some great insights into the role faith plays in government.
phatE phatE 8 years
Cine_Love and Cabaker - well said.. Jillness, I too believe you're grasping as straws and like I have said before, taking one element and blowing the entire thing out of proportion. You can assume whatever you want, but that doesn't make it true. And the affiliation John McCain has with this is NO different than the affiliations other politicians hold. If you want to pick this apart, why not continue on with Obama (as Cabaker pointed out) or Hilary. "I do think that we need to question these groups that DO have an effect on our government, how what agenda they are supporting." I definitely agree with you on that, but that's not what you're doing here. I would prefer to actually look at the facts and relationship than the assumptions based on a couple of words like "our". This has been based on your views and opinions and that's totally fine, but just realize that's what they are.. Views and opinions.
hausfrau hausfrau 8 years
Jillness - What about Obama's relationship with Jeremiah Wright? Didn't Obama call this man his mentor? Wasn't he the inspiration for the book "the audacity of hope"? this is a man who calls this country the "US of KKK A" and compares Obama to Jesus saying that both were black man who were put down by rich white men... This man is so entangled in the Obama campaign that there have been rumblings about the IRS taking away his nonprofit status for openly campaigning for Obama during sermons! My point isn't to slam Obama, my point is that its a moot point on both sides. Both sides have supporters they may not agree with and I don't think its rational to think that either are taking their cues from these people.
Jillness Jillness 8 years
I appreciate your comments, Cine. I just think that McCain did endorse this man's stance on Israel, where as Obama denounced Farakahn as a whole. And since many of Hagee's inflamatory remarks directly involved the people that live in Israel, I think it is more than just grasping at straws. I do think that we need to question these groups that DO have an effect on our government, how what agenda they are supporting.
lilkimbo lilkimbo 8 years
I agree, cine.
cine_lover cine_lover 8 years
Jill, you know I always respect your opinion, and I think you have a lot of really great points on watching who candidates associate themselves with, but I feel you are really grasping at straws here with picking the word "our". Could he have used the word "the", yes, but I do not think using the word "our" makes him an insane evangelical Christian. I have used the word "our" in relation to a population of this country, even if I am not apart of the group. I feel like your argument is the same one people use against Obama which I find stupid. That because his father is or was, I have no idea if the man is still alive, a Muslim, that he is not qualified to run the country, or some other stupid remark such as that. Did Obama's wife say something dumb about not being proud of the United States? I am sure you argue that it was taken out of context. I feel as though you are using tactics that you hate when people use them against Obama.
Bookish Bookish 8 years
Who Would Jesus Waterboard?
Jillness Jillness 8 years
Once again, McCain praised Hagee for his stance on Israel, even though Hagee said that Hurricane Katrina was God's wrath for America making a blunder in Israel...(in addition to being punishment for homosexuals in New Orleans). I think people like this are the ones making a mockery of your religion.
Jillness Jillness 8 years
In case you didn't read all of it, here is part of McCain's quote again: "He has been the staunchest leader of our Christian evangelical movement in many areas..." (continued below) Key word being, "OUR". He is unifying himself and agreeing with the work of this man who has said: "It was the disobedience and rebellion of the Jews, God's chosen people, to their covenantal responsibility to serve only the one true God, Jehovah, that gave rise to the opposition and persecution that they experienced beginning in Canaan and continuing to this very day... Their own rebellion had birthed the seed of anti-Semitism that would arise and bring destruction to them for centuries to come... it rises from the judgment of God upon his rebellious chosen people." So this man who thinks this way about Jewish people, that they are destined to be punished, has their best interests at heart when it comes to Israel??? More McCain: "but especially, most especially, his close ties and advocacy for the freedom and independence of the state of Israel." You think I am just way out of line for questioning their relationship at all?
Jillness Jillness 8 years
The thing is this, while the extreme sections of Christianity don't reflect the majority of Christians in America, the extreme groups are the ones who lobby the most and have a lot of influence. I don't think that Pat Robertson represents most Christians, and yet 150 graduates of his law school in the Bush Administration. Monica Goodling is one such graduate, and she was involved in the Alberto Gonzales US Attorney filings. These affiliations and relationships do have consequences. I don't think that questioning the relationships of extraordinarily wealthy lobby groups and the effect they have on our government and its policy is wrong. I think it is necessary to prevent people who exploit religion from also exploiting our government.
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