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Bush Memos Released — What's Been Hiding?

Bush Memos Released — What's Been Hiding?

President Obama can't keep a secret. Yesterday, his administration released antiterrorism memos that claimed exceptional powers for Bush in the aftermath of Sept. 11, 2001. The Obama administration also revealed that the CIA destroyed about 100 videotapes of terror suspect interrogations.

In the memos the Justice Department said:

  • Gave the US military approval to attack apartment buildings and office complexes in the US.
  • Approved high-tech surveillance against US citizens.
  • Claimed the ability to suspend treaties unilaterally.
  • Said the president could take actions to combat terrorism without Congress's approval.
  • Claimed the the military could search and seize terror suspects in the US without warrants.
  • Paved the way for the suspension of First Amendment freedom-of-the-press rights if the fight against terror required it.

The final bullet point really troubles me. How can you protect freedoms by taking away freedoms? That claim, made in October 2001, was eventually revoked in October 2008, because it was too extreme. Some of the other opinions were rescinded five days before Bush left. What's your reaction to these memos?

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stephley stephley 6 years
No Dave, Bush's memos haven't been thoroughly investigated.Surely you recall that the Whitewater and Lewinski matters had special prosecutors, grand juries, testimony by Hillary Clinton. Documents and aides were subpoened and reviewed. Bush's memos are just being released - they're just being revealed in their entirety, we've only seen bits and pieces or heard rumors up to now. Nothing has been 'thoroughly investigated' no determination regarding substance has been made by anyone in authority.
stephley stephley 6 years
No Dave, Bush's memos haven't been thoroughly investigated. Surely you recall that the Whitewater and Lewinski matters had special prosecutors, grand juries, testimony by Hillary Clinton. Documents and aides were subpoened and reviewed. Bush's memos are just being released - they're just being revealed in their entirety, we've only seen bits and pieces or heard rumors up to now. Nothing has been 'thoroughly investigated' no determination regarding substance has been made by anyone in authority.
UnDave35 UnDave35 6 years
No, I'm saying memos of possible illegal activity should be available to be viewed. That's what is being done to Bush. This topic has been "thoroughly investigated", found nothing of substance, and yet we are still digging.
stephley stephley 6 years
You think 'memos' from a thoroughly investigated blow job scandal or thoroughly investigated real estate dealings somehow are equal to memos rescinding Constitutional rights? How sad.
stephley stephley 6 years
You think 'memos' from a thoroughly investigated blow job scandal or thoroughly investigated real estate dealings somehow are equal to memos rescinding Constitutional rights? How sad.
UnDave35 UnDave35 6 years
I'm referring to the Clinton memos that are currently in storage somewhere that he has claimed are "Priveledged" that go back to whitewater, and memos from the Lewinski scandal. If we are going to throw every memo to the public for viewing, let's get EVERY memo. No one should be above the law.
stephley stephley 6 years
Which Clinton memos are you referring to?Do you understand that not every president has the OLC write memos allowing him to subvert the Constitution?
stephley stephley 6 years
Which Clinton memos are you referring to? Do you understand that not every president has the OLC write memos allowing him to subvert the Constitution?
ccpdm ccpdm 6 years
I wouldn't mind seeing those memo's - undoubtedly more entertaining....
stephley stephley 6 years
You're not getting the point at all, are you Dave?
UnDave35 UnDave35 6 years
I'm curious, does this mean we will FINALLY get to see all the memos that Bill Clinton has locked up, since we are viewing Bush's memos barely two monthes out of his Presidency?
TidalWave TidalWave 6 years
Obviously I didn't either -- I'm just saying that a whole lot of people did at one time and are now becoming hypocritical.
wackdoodle wackdoodle 6 years
"Oh give me a break, on September 12th, every American citizen agreed that the President could do "whatever it takes" to find the people responsible. Thus... the Patriot Act, etc."<b>Ah speak for yourself and only yourself there. I did not agree with what Former Pres. bush did or what congress enabled him to do.</b>
wackdoodle wackdoodle 6 years
"Oh give me a break, on September 12th, every American citizen agreed that the President could do "whatever it takes" to find the people responsible. Thus... the Patriot Act, etc." Ah speak for yourself and only yourself there. I did not agree with what Former Pres. bush did or what congress enabled him to do.
stephley stephley 6 years
'Steph - It gave permission and overstepped its bounds but we STILL don't know HOW MANY, IF ANY people were effected. You choose to beleive it was millions. I choose to beleive nothing until I see some proof."I've never said millions, I don't think millions - it is clear, PROVEN, that hundreds were detained around the world, and there is clear evidence that thousands were specifically targeted for spying. The number actually tortured under the legal definition is up in the air.
stephley stephley 6 years
'Steph - It gave permission and overstepped its bounds but we STILL don't know HOW MANY, IF ANY people were effected. You choose to beleive it was millions. I choose to beleive nothing until I see some proof." I've never said millions, I don't think millions - it is clear, PROVEN, that hundreds were detained around the world, and there is clear evidence that thousands were specifically targeted for spying. The number actually tortured under the legal definition is up in the air.
Myst Myst 6 years
TidalWave every Americans did not agree for our rights to be violated like this in the name of keeping us safe. We can not allow our governments to extend their powers beyond the measure of the Constitution and try to take away the very thing that makes our country so great. This is inexcusable. Period.
babaloo babaloo 6 years
Our government is out of control. Bush was simply beyond comprehension. Obama steps in and can correct things like gov't waste and spending only to have him do three times as much as Bush. It's time we stop voting in these people that believe in big government. I'm sick of these people thinking they know what's best for me.
snarkypants snarkypants 6 years
oh no, i never said "whatever it takes" and i think i'm speaking for many others.undave, i agree. kind of. this government was based on checks and balances. it'd be nice to see them in action again. it would be even nicer if the public knew what was going on with their elected officials. i don't think EVERY memo needs to be available to the public, as they may contain classified information that the public does not need to know. but anything that involves taking away rights, etc. we have the right to know!
snarkypants snarkypants 6 years
oh no, i never said "whatever it takes" and i think i'm speaking for many others. undave, i agree. kind of. this government was based on checks and balances. it'd be nice to see them in action again. it would be even nicer if the public knew what was going on with their elected officials. i don't think EVERY memo needs to be available to the public, as they may contain classified information that the public does not need to know. but anything that involves taking away rights, etc. we have the right to know!
UnDave35 UnDave35 6 years
I HOPE that every memo that comes across this President's desk is made available to the public immediately. If he doesn't, then he's guilty of keeping secrets as well.
Jillness Jillness 6 years
I think it is frightening that all of this was done, and I think that part of restoring trust in our government is transparency and accountability. This is a HUGE part of that.
TidalWave TidalWave 6 years
Oh give me a break, on September 12th, every American citizen agreed that the President could do "whatever it takes" to find the people responsible. Thus... the Patriot Act, etc.
mydiadem mydiadem 6 years
'So then I guess everyone who is outraged at this is also outraged at the parameters already placed on free speech and they are also as outraged about gun control? 'Its not the same, controls passed by Congress have been weighed in on by the American people. These limits on our freedoms were enacted by the Executive Branch without our knowing, without debate and without even Congress knowing. These limits give the Executive Branch unprecedented power and completely go against our system of check and balances. That outrages me even if it hasn't directly effected me.
mydiadem mydiadem 6 years
'So then I guess everyone who is outraged at this is also outraged at the parameters already placed on free speech and they are also as outraged about gun control? ' Its not the same, controls passed by Congress have been weighed in on by the American people. These limits on our freedoms were enacted by the Executive Branch without our knowing, without debate and without even Congress knowing. These limits give the Executive Branch unprecedented power and completely go against our system of check and balances. That outrages me even if it hasn't directly effected me.
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