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Candidates Differ on Drafting Women — Where Do You Stand?

While neither candidate is anticipating reviving a draft any time soon, they disagree on one key component: whether to require women to register for Selective Service. Obama supports a requirement for both men and women to register for the draft while McCain doesn't. The Selective Service system was revived by Jimmy Carter in 1980 to require all men between the ages of 18 and 25 to register, just in case a massive expansion of the military is necessary.

Keeping women out of the Selective Service has long been controversial among women's rights groups as well as men who've faced penalties for not registering. While Congress and the Supreme Court have exempted women using the military's combat rules, Obama's national security spokeswoman says, "Women are already serving in combat [in Iraq and Afghanistan] and the current policy should be updated to reflect realities on the ground. Barack Obama would consult with military commanders to review the constraints that remain."

McCain is in favor of the current Department of Defense restrictions on women in combat units. A campaign spokesman says of his position on the Selective Service, "Sen. McCain strongly believes that an all-volunteer force is preferable to a conscripted force. The tools available to recruiters have historically enabled the all-volunteer force to attract sufficient numbers of qualified recruits."

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jennythereader jennythereader 7 years
I don't think anyone, male or female, should be required to register.
snowbunny11 snowbunny11 7 years
hypno- haha, yeah I was kind of joking too, I expect most people, regardless of how they've been treated by the military/govt. still believe there is something in their country worth fighting for, because in many ways our govt. is still benefiting even those who don't get treated equally. However, I don't think anyone would BLAME a gay person for sipping on the Gray Goose when Rome is falling and is all of a sudden like, "whooops, our bad, we really do need your help!" Mesayme- huh, because you couldn't handle bootcamp, women don't belong in the military. I suppose we shouldn't let men serve either, on the basis that some of them couldn't hack it in the military. Plenty of women are able to serve their country, and the fact that it was too physically challenging for you means just that- it was too physically challenging for YOU. My bf's sister-in-law managed just fine, and she drove tanks- not an office job. And then she had three kids. So...
Mesayme Mesayme 7 years
:ROTFL: hypno... read what you wrote... I hear you...but my warped sense of humor kicked in. :D
Mesayme Mesayme 7 years
I don't believe anyone should be told to go 'shoot or be shot'...if there's a threat here on US soil, you'll have to fight anyway. I volunteered to serve in the Army, and boot camp nearly spider-cracked every bone I had to offer...so no, I do not think women belong in the military other than office jobs. You can argue equal rights, feminism...whatever... my hip joints disagree, especially after having three kids in agony. Heidi you're right...all my buddies laughed at my baby wipes when we went out to the range and on marches...and I was one of the very few without a UTI.
harmonyfrance harmonyfrance 7 years
Thanks snowbunny. :)
Jessiebanana Jessiebanana 7 years
Oh sorry I can't help but want to correct something as a Psychology major doing research on the development of pedophilia. I think part of the reason why women aren't judged as harshly as men as far as child abuse is concerned is that women only make up 0.4% of pedophiles. Pedophile being someone who has a sexual attraction to prepubescent children. And of those who've been convicted of child sexual abuse, including adolescents, only 1-4% (depending your survey) are female. Though reports (not convictions) might be as high 14%. There are a lot of theories that in general there is no such thing as a female pedophile (remember prepubescent) and if you look at it that way, with the norm of not sleeping with teenagers being relatively new, you can see where stereotypes of women not being child sex abusers come from.
hypnoticmix hypnoticmix 7 years
I hear you snowbunny I was sort of being sarcastic to make a point on the gay issue. Don't get me wrong I'm an openly gay man but if my country is under serious military threat and is overwhelmed to the point that we need to force military service I would be one of the first in line to open up a can of whoop @$$.
snowbunny11 snowbunny11 7 years
Arrgh! My comments keep getting eat in this thread! Monday & HF....you ladies are awesome!! Hopefully the rest of my comment about your awesomeness and women in the military will apply. And Hypno, this got erased I think- I think society at least pretends men and women are equal under the law, and are supposed to be respected equally, so I think women have responsibilities that gay people don't. I don't think we can claim to do nearly as well with equality for gay and straight people, and it blows my mind that the military would not allow people who want to serve their country join...on the basis of their sexuality of all things. As far as I'm concerned, if the military's homophobic attitude keeps up, you guys are free to sit on your couches in bathrobes while sipping martinis as we get bombed. I'm not trying to be anti-patriotic, but SERIOUSLY, ridiculous!
snowbunny11 snowbunny11 7 years
Monday & HF: <3!! I posted a comment a bit earlier but it got flagged, hopefully it will appear soon? Hypno- I think gays will be off the hook until society starts even pretending you have equal rights. No equal rights, no responsibilities, IMO! Sure, there are still tons of problems with how women are treated, but at least people pay lip service to equality for women. So if some emergency comes please feel free to sip martinis and lounge around in satin bathrobes while we get the shit bombed out of us.
hypnoticmix hypnoticmix 7 years
IMO if women are serving effectively along side men now than they should be made to register for selective service. Now I understand that most women would say well those women wanted to serve and I support their choice but I don't want anything to do with military service. Well you know what there are quite a few men who would say the same thing and they have to register. What I want to know is are Gays exempt because as you know the reason for not allowing homosexuals to serve is that the knowledge of their sexual orientation would undermine military moral and effectiveness. Do we want to risk undermining the military in its most needful hour?
snowbunny11 snowbunny11 7 years
Monday!!! <3!! Thanks to all the women on here for their great service; I hope I can also serve in some way when I graduate! Cravin...arghghgh please replace every instance of "woman" in your post with "I." Look, I don't even squish bugs (out of principle, not fear), and I am a vegetarian, I wear makeup every day, and sometimes I drink wine and cry during "The Notebook." But I also know that many women are just as strong (emotionally) and intelligent as men are, and the more I fight for equality and the right to be taken seriously as a woman, the more I know that that comes with responsibilities, whether it be working hard to earn my own money, or defending my country so I can be a crazy happy liberal. Yes, men and women are different, we have different strengths and our brains work differently. But I think when it comes down to general things like, working, being in the military, being a parent, both men and women have the ability to excel, they might just have to use their different strengths. No, a woman can't ruck as much as a man can, but perhaps she might be better as a linguist because women are so great at reading people's body language. This reminds me of when Brooke Hogan said she wasn't going to vote in the election, and she thought the idea of a woman being president was wrong because she knew she couldn't be President because she got PMS. I was just like...arghhh Brooke stfu and pop some Yaz! Just because she is clearly too retarded to be President does not mean that all women are! Same goes here.
mondaymoos mondaymoos 7 years
Thanks, bastylefilegirl. :D And it is VERY funny, Catepillar... uh... if you have that kind of sense of humor.
harmonyfrance harmonyfrance 7 years
My pleasure basty. awww...monday :hug:
mondaymoos mondaymoos 7 years
:hug: harmony
bastylefilegirl bastylefilegirl 7 years
Oh yeah and thanks for you service!
CaterpillarGirl CaterpillarGirl 7 years
(cant get tampon on fire out of my mind....must think of something else......)
bastylefilegirl bastylefilegirl 7 years
Monday/Harmony, I'm not in the miliatary and I refuse to sabatoge you and I'm as far from a feminist as it gets. Just because you and people you know are physically unable doensn't mean everyone else is. Hell I grew up in at time where in urban areas it was a war zone!
harmonyfrance harmonyfrance 7 years
I know. I feel the same way. It's so hard to explain the military life to people who haven't lived it. I mean it really is one of those issues that if you haven't lived it you just don't know.
mondaymoos mondaymoos 7 years
harmony, I get so spun up over this! Those of us who work SO hard to open doors for women in the military (and otherwise) are constantly sabotaged by our fellow females. It's damn aggravating.
harmonyfrance harmonyfrance 7 years
Hoorah Monday!
harmonyfrance harmonyfrance 7 years
:o
mondaymoos mondaymoos 7 years
And it really rubs me the wrong way that just because you're personally not equipped to deal with something, you're generalizing. I'm not saying all women are mentally equipped to deal with war time. Just like I would never make the same assumption about men (ESPECIALLY in this day and age). I have a friend that was administratively seperated because he lost it when they were bagging and tagging. HE. lost it. Generalizations suck.
bastylefilegirl bastylefilegirl 7 years
"....but i don't have what i need to deal with war." I don't know this for a fact but I have to assume that nobody has what they truly need to deal with war it's and abnormal state for anyone who has never done it and even for those who have. "men are better equipped to deal with war, as is in the their psychological make-up." So I'm to assume that some people can make that same case for the Presidency/Vice Presidency that women aren't psychologically equipped for that either. And since Mondaymoo's has actually served I am willing to bet she knows better than anyone that you can survive with out having a nice bathroom. P.S. there are also ways for you not to have a menstral cycle.
mondaymoos mondaymoos 7 years
Uh, honey... the flight line.... was in the middle of the desert. Something to keep in mind. And you set the tampons on fire. :) Problem solved.
cravinsugar cravinsugar 7 years
mondaymoos...men are better equipped to deal with war, as is in the their psychological make-up. I am SOOO glad you were able to pop a squat when needed on a cushy ship. what about when you run out of tampons/pads in your fox hole? Is that sanitary or safe for the person or the people around? ummm...NO. And sorry, but if I don't pee when i need to, I get UTI's and bladder infetions, which is why I drink cranberry juice everyday.
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