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Catholic Church Offers Indulgences Once Again

"Why are we bringing it back? Because there is sin in the world."

With that matter-of-fact answer one Catholic bishop in Brooklyn explained why the Church has decided to start peddling indulgences —or, get-out-of-purgatory free cards!

Technically believers haven't been able to purchase indulgences outright since 1857. But, you can exchange a charitable contribution and confession, or a combination of other acts for reduced time in purgatory. According to the Church, sinners must face punishment in purgatory before they make it to heaven.

Plenary indulgences, which erase all the time a sinner must spend in purgatory, only come around every so often. Right now they're being offered in conjunction with a yearlong celebration of St. Paul, and they're available for you, or someone you know (dead or alive).

So are Catholics lining up to participate in something as confusing as this? According to the New York Times, many are eager for the opportunity to "do something Catholic" in these modern times.

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Grandpa Grandpa 7 years
nenamarie, thank you very much for your kind thoughts :heart:
Grandpa Grandpa 7 years
PeachyKeer, the Slate article may not reflect your opinion, but it pretty much reflects mine
PeachyKeen19 PeachyKeen19 7 years
These are just excerpts from a Slate article, not my opinion:Rejecting the teachings of a council is a bit like being a Republican in favor of higher taxes: You have to wonder why you're still a member of the club. "The Second Vatican Council is the religion of man, of man put in the place of God," the British Williamson told a U.K. paper. "Deep down what it means is that it's a new religion, dressed up to look like the Catholic religion, but it's not the Catholic religion." Pope Benedict's decision to try to bring the Lefebvrists back into the fold was entirely his own. The pope believes he has a special responsibility to promote unity among Catholics—including those who have fallen away from the church.Progressive Catholics are accustomed to being called "cafeteria Catholics" because of the perception that they pick and choose among Catholic teachings, accepting some while ignoring others. But here it is the progressives who are claiming foul and the right wing that is charged with its own bizarre brand of cafeteria Catholicism. Some wish to deny the church's ban on ordaining women; others wish to deny Vatican II's teachings on separation of church and state. And nenamarie is right.
PeachyKeen19 PeachyKeen19 7 years
These are just excerpts from a Slate article, not my opinion: Rejecting the teachings of a council is a bit like being a Republican in favor of higher taxes: You have to wonder why you're still a member of the club. "The Second Vatican Council is the religion of man, of man put in the place of God," the British Williamson told a U.K. paper. "Deep down what it means is that it's a new religion, dressed up to look like the Catholic religion, but it's not the Catholic religion." Pope Benedict's decision to try to bring the Lefebvrists back into the fold was entirely his own. The pope believes he has a special responsibility to promote unity among Catholics—including those who have fallen away from the church. Progressive Catholics are accustomed to being called "cafeteria Catholics" because of the perception that they pick and choose among Catholic teachings, accepting some while ignoring others. But here it is the progressives who are claiming foul and the right wing that is charged with its own bizarre brand of cafeteria Catholicism. Some wish to deny the church's ban on ordaining women; others wish to deny Vatican II's teachings on separation of church and state. And nenamarie is right.
nenamarie nenamarie 7 years
I love you Grandpa. To everyone else: This isn't a new tradition, it's one of the Catholic Sacraments. It's just getting special attention as it is a special time in the religious calendar. And I think it's a good thing that we discuss this stuff; it helps us understand other people's beliefs, even if they aren't our own.
nenamarie nenamarie 7 years
I love you Grandpa. To everyone else: This isn't a new tradition, it's one of the Catholic Sacraments. It's just getting special attention as it is a special time in the religious calendar.And I think it's a good thing that we discuss this stuff; it helps us understand other people's beliefs, even if they aren't our own.
vanitypot vanitypot 7 years
there has always been sin in the world and only LOVE can conquer sin, not indulgences :|i'm a Catholic and i am faithful to what i believe in but i am not totally agreeable to what the bishop says here.. it's highly doubtful and may i quote, confusing o.O this needs a lot of dialogue before the bishop makes any concrete decisions/statements..
vanitypot vanitypot 7 years
there has always been sin in the world and only LOVE can conquer sin, not indulgences :| i'm a Catholic and i am faithful to what i believe in but i am not totally agreeable to what the bishop says here.. it's highly doubtful and may i quote, confusing o.O this needs a lot of dialogue before the bishop makes any concrete decisions/statements..
Grandpa Grandpa 7 years
Has anyone ever remember the New York Times describe the hypocrisy of the interpretation of the Koran used by radical wahabieists, or the hypocrisy of imams who do not publicly and vociferously condemn that perversion, and issue fatwas of said condemnation
Grandpa Grandpa 7 years
Has anyone ever remember the New York Times describe the hypocrisy of the interpretation of the Koran used by radical wahabieists, or the hypocrisy of imams who do not publicly and vociferously condemn that perversion, and issue fatwas of said condemnation
PeachyKeen19 PeachyKeen19 7 years
slate.com/id/2210151/
PeachyKeen19 PeachyKeen19 7 years
slate.com/id/2210151/
ShelleyHFan ShelleyHFan 7 years
Oh and I'm in agreement with Grandpa...I think this, some of the posters here, are essentially bashing practicing Catholics and Catholicism. People aren't posting questions or having and intellectual debate on theology. A lot of people just made sarcastic remarks or "roll your eyes" off the cuff comments. Or so it seems.
ShelleyHFan ShelleyHFan 7 years
Oh and I'm in agreement with Grandpa...I think this, some of the posters here, are essentially bashing practicing Catholics and Catholicism. People aren't posting questions or having and intellectual debate on theology. A lot of people just made sarcastic remarks or "roll your eyes" off the cuff comments. Or so it seems.
ShelleyHFan ShelleyHFan 7 years
Oh and I'm in agreement with Grandpa...I think this, some of the posters here, are essentially bashing practicing Catholics and Catholicism. People aren't posting questions or having and intellectual debate on theology. A lot of people just made sarcastic remarks or "roll your eyes" off the cuff comments. Or so it seems.
ShelleyHFan ShelleyHFan 7 years
Lastly, "Getting Catholics back into confession, in fact, was one of the motivations for reintroducing the indulgence. In a 2001 speech, Pope John Paul described the newly reborn tradition as “a happy incentive” for confession."
ShelleyHFan ShelleyHFan 7 years
Lastly,"Getting Catholics back into confession, in fact, was one of the motivations for reintroducing the indulgence. In a 2001 speech, Pope John Paul described the newly reborn tradition as “a happy incentive” for confession."
ShelleyHFan ShelleyHFan 7 years
this may help hausfrau: "In exchange for certain prayers, devotions or pilgrimages in special years, a Catholic can receive an indulgence, which REDUCES or erases that punishment instantly, with no formal ceremony or sacrament." And..."There are partial indulgences, which reduce purgatorial time by a CERTAIN NUMBER of DAYS or years, and plenary indulgences, which eliminate all of it, until another sin is committed. You can get one for yourself, or for someone who is dead."
ShelleyHFan ShelleyHFan 7 years
this may help hausfrau:"In exchange for certain prayers, devotions or pilgrimages in special years, a Catholic can receive an indulgence, which REDUCES or erases that punishment instantly, with no formal ceremony or sacrament."And..."There are partial indulgences, which reduce purgatorial time by a CERTAIN NUMBER of DAYS or years, and plenary indulgences, which eliminate all of it, until another sin is committed. You can get one for yourself, or for someone who is dead."
chatondeneige chatondeneige 7 years
Those are two different ways of phrasing it, but the same thing. Murder is wrong.
stephley stephley 7 years
"you don't follow church doctrine if you kill anyone." "abortion is murder, according to the Catholic church. Supporting murder of innocents goes against church doctrines." You've said two different things - which one is it?
stephley stephley 7 years
"you don't follow church doctrine if you kill anyone.""abortion is murder, according to the Catholic church. Supporting murder of innocents goes against church doctrines."You've said two different things - which one is it?
chatondeneige chatondeneige 7 years
:oy: Stephley, abortion is murder, according to the Catholic church. Supporting murder of innocents goes against church doctrines. I <b>am</b> sure of that.
chatondeneige chatondeneige 7 years
:oy: Stephley, abortion is murder, according to the Catholic church. Supporting murder of innocents goes against church doctrines. I am sure of that.
stephley stephley 7 years
Really? You're certain of that?
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