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Check This: Do the Democrats Have a Death Wish?

This morning I saw the latest Gallup poll showing Hillary Clinton leading Barack Obama 49 to 42 percent among national Democratic voters. This got me thinking — what is going on with the Dems?!

Even people inside Hillary Clinton's campaign acknowledge that there is no way she can win more pledged delegates, and it is nearly impossible for her to secure a popular-vote victory. So, the only way she can win is if the superdelegates decide that they know best, and effectively take the nomination from Barack Obama.

The people over at the Politico, argue that journalists "have become partners with the Clinton campaign in pretending the contest is closer than it really is." This narrative seems to be working with the polled voters, who apparently think Clinton still has a realistic, and responsible, chance. To see how I really feel,

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This has nothing to do with who I'm voting for, but can Hillary really see this working out? Another poll just showed that one in five Democrats will defect to McCain if their candidate doesn't win the nomination. That's Democrats, not independents! The primary season may be driving a dangerous wedge through the party. Al Gore, where are you?!

Am I overreacting here? Perhaps this is how the system is designed to work, and once the Democratic candidates are tested, the winner will come out stronger. Perhaps, the superdelegates do consider other important factors that will help the Democrats win. I just don't buy it. What about you?

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LeChatonNoir LeChatonNoir 7 years
I, too, worry for those same reasons, stephley. But let's keep in mind: no candidate is perfect. Not even my man Obama. Each candidate has strengths and weaknesses, and it's up to us to weigh which qualities matter more to us and our country's future.
Jude-C Jude-C 7 years
:D Jillness. The sad thing about these lies being spread among voters is that there are, unfortunately, not enough voters who will be able to fact-check and do the research in order to sort out the lies from the truth, and too many who will unwittingly spread the lies even further. That's how these kinds of lies pass into "common knowledge" and adversely affect the outcomes of elections. That's why these lies are such a dirty tactic.
Jillness Jillness 7 years
"That tactic was absolutely disgusting and shows a profound lack of respect on so many levels." I know! She isn't lying to other politicians...she is lying to VOTERS. To Americans who are just trying to make an honest decision about very important things. It makes me very sad, actually. But I am glad JudeC is there to help!
Jude-C Jude-C 7 years
"I only read about her lie to the Jewish organizations in Newsweek...but I have read a lot about those specific lies in Jewish newspapers. I think misrepresentation on that scale is very important." I work in a synagogue and have seen the damaging effects of that lie at first hand. That tactic was absolutely disgusting and shows a profound lack of respect on so many levels.
Jillness Jillness 7 years
"I think the fact that the media is not jumping all over these blatant lies shows that she isn't having such a hard time in the media as she would like people to believe." I agree! lilkimbo, I do agree that the media thrives on conflict, so they have been going after both candidates. However, as someone who really digs through different sources of news on these 2 people, I have to say that there are many things like those that I listed above that Hillary hasn't been questioned about. I really can't beleive that so few of the things I listed above weren't more widely reported. I only read about her lie to the Jewish organizations in Newsweek...but I have read a lot about those specific lies in Jewish newspapers. I think misrepresentation on that scale is very important.
lilkimbo lilkimbo 7 years
As someone who won't be voting for either Obama or Clinton, I think can look at this whole "media-bashing" pretty effectively. And, I believe that the media has treated both candidates equally. Obama has gotten praise from some media outlets. So has Clinton. Obama has gotten slammed by some media outlets. So has Clinton. I think the media did focus a little too much on the Rev. Wright story; however, media outlets are simply trying to make money and, despite the opinions of most citizen sugar posters, that story kept selling, which is why they kept featuring it. I think that, overall, neither candidate has necessarily been treated justly by the media. But I don't think mainstream media as a whole favors one candidate over the other.
Jude-C Jude-C 7 years
Great reality check as always, Jillness :) "Manipulating the Jewish Community- Hillary and her staff, on a conference call with Jewish organizations, said that Obama had a man on his foreign policy staff that sends fear into the Jewish community. Not only did they say someone worked for Obama that didn't, they also inserted a name that induced fear. IMO that was one of the dirtiest things her campaign did. Look, I think the fact that the media is not jumping all over these blatant lies shows that she isn't having such a hard time in the media as she would like people to believe.
Jillness Jillness 7 years
" I find it rather interesting that Obama and his supporters tout his being against the war from the beginning. At that time, he was not even serving on the Senate, therefore, he did not vote for or against the Iraq War Resolution" He spoke out against the war on Oct. 2nd, 2002. Look up the speech. He very clearly and ACCURATELY says what will happen if we go to war in Iraq, and guess what...HE WAS RIGHT! Everything he says in it, we have now found to be true. As Newsweek says, he has "accurate long term vision". That is what our country needs right now. Clinton and McCain, for all of their experience, fail to make the right decisions when it is crunch time.
Jillness Jillness 7 years
"Obama's people would get their f*cking facts striaght and if the media and his supporters would take their lips of his rump for two seconds" Classy. First of all, Hillary and her camp have straight up lied about her own expereince, and Obama's. 1.) Oil Tax- Hillary says Obama voted for a tax decrease for big oil companies and failed to work for green energy. In fact, the legislation INCREASED taxes for oil companies, and gave them incentives to work for green energy. Factcheck has said they have clarified this "over and over and over", but Clinton continues to say in speeches and flyers that he voted for a tax decrease for big oil. 2.) NAFTA- Hillary says that she never supported NAFTA, her calendar shows her promoting it. 3.) Manipulating the Jewish Community- Hillary and her staff, on a conference call with Jewish organizations, said that Obama had a man on his foreign policy staff that sends fear into the Jewish community. Not only did they say someone worked for Obama that didn't, they also inserted a name that induced fear. See March 3rd Newsweek for more. 4.) Ireland- Her role in Ireland...see above posts. 5.) Bosnia- Escaping bullet fire while flying into Bosnia. She said that there was no greeting ceremony. Fact is that there was no bullets, there was a greeting ceremony, and Sinbad and Sherly Crow were with her. 6.) Quotes- Both Hillary and Bill have misquoted Obama, even while saying, "he said". They did this during the big Regan comment drama. If you are going to quote someone, you have the responsibility of doing it accurately.
Jillness Jillness 7 years
This one is in the middle of the page: "The World Beyond Iraq" http://thepage.time.com/full-text-of-obamas-iraq-speech/ This is also in the middle of the page: "The Cost of War" http://thepage.time.com/full-text-of-obamas-speech-the-cost-of-war/
Jillness Jillness 7 years
"Obama's campaign downplayed her role in the Northern Ireland peace operation." Actually, Lord Trimble, the man that won the Nobel Peace Prize for brokering the Belfast agreement said that she was "silly" for exaggerating her role in Ireland, and that she did little more than "accompany Bill around". ktownpolarbear, some of our greatest Presidents have had less experience than Obama. If you put aside bias for a little bit, his policy ideas are very intellegent. His recent speeches, "The World Beyond Iraq", and "The Cost of War" really show how he has a very strong grasp of how one thing effects another in our world. I will provide links in the next post. They are filled with so many facts that politicians who love partisan bickering tend to ignore.
ktownpolarbear ktownpolarbear 7 years
unfortunate as it is, if obama gets the nomination, i'm defecting to mccain. i can't even fathom the thought of having another unexperienced leader in the white house.
ktownpolarbear ktownpolarbear 7 years
too many polls, just way too many polls.
piper23 piper23 7 years
I have so enjoyed reading all of these comments! Go McCain!
stephley stephley 7 years
Vote for Hillary all you want but you really should learn more about her - if you were aware of what went on during Clinton's two terms you would know that a couple of your statements about them are just flat out wrong. If you're incorrect on easily checkable matters, what else do you have wrong? I was against the war from the beginning and I wasn't able to vote in Congress on it, so what does that prove? Clinton claims to know so much about power and Washington and yet she voted for the war claiming later that Bush lied. A savvy person should have a) been aware that Bush has been a liar for a long time and b) examined the evidence being offered by the many people who were saying Bush was lying and warning against going to war. Maybe then she wouldn't have supported such a deadly mistake.
lilkimbo lilkimbo 7 years
I think it's funny (in an interesting way, not a ha ha way) how effectively the comments demonstrate the division in the Democratic party that the main article was about. And, in response to things people said a while ago: -I don't think you can really use the Bush administration's support of McCain against him. Yes, Bush is supporting McCain, but this is the first time in his political career that Bush has supported McCain, and he didn't throw that support behind him until he was the party's nominee. At that point (to me), it was kind of like, duh, who else would he endorse? -McCain has had a small amount of difficulty garnering a coalition across all Republicans, but he's done well with Independents. Also, since he's been the nominee, Republicans have been supporting him in pretty big numbers. Republicans tend to support their party's nominee in the general election. The only place where McCain could have difficulty with Republicans is voter turnout. -I take offense to the statement that all fiscally conservative Republicans are wealthy. I myself and both fiscally conservative and pro-states' rights, and am certainly not wealthy. The two do not necessarily go hand in hand.
BRANDYNICOLE730 BRANDYNICOLE730 7 years
She has no experience? Are you serious? That is just laughable. How about the fact that she was on the Senate Budget Committee. Or, how about the fact that she had to leave the Senate Budget Committee because she was selected to serve on the Armed Services Committee. These certainly aren't accomplishments of Bill Clinton, and to suggest that the only way she is anything in politics is due to her husband, is completely sexist! We cannot play the what-if game as to where she would had Bill not been the president for 8 years. I've spoken with a few nurses, and they have all decided on Hillary, because they don't think there is anyway Obama's healthcare plan is doable. Also, I find it rather interesting that Obama and his supporters tout his being against the war from the beginning. At that time, he was not even serving on the Senate, therefore, he did not vote for or against the Iraq War Resolution, because HE WAS NOT THERE! Shouldn't that be included in the "I've opposed this war from the beginning?" "Oh by the way, I wasn't in the position to vote at that time." In fact, he didn't announce his candidacy in Illinois until abuot 4 months after the vote occured. That is a big thing they forget to mention, constantly. I'd heard it over a year ago, and recently thought I was remembering incorrectly, because the media never reminds you of that!
harmonyfrance harmonyfrance 7 years
"It's not bias. Hillary is not the least bit interesting or inspiring." She isn't to you indie...there are many people that feel differently. She both interests and inspires me or I wouldn't be supporting her. ;) I think everyone needs to calm down a little on both sides. This thing is just going to have to play out. Those of us that have already voted have no control over the situation. If any of you feel that passionate about it there are many things that you can do. Just go to http://www.barackobama.com or http://www.hillaryclinton.com . You can make a donation, make calls, or even travel to primaries and caucus' and help campaign there. If nothing else how amazing is it that we have these two individuals running for President? Women couldn't even vote until 1920 and although Black men got the right to vote in 1870 it wasn't fully realized until a century later. I for one am really proud that this has happened in my lifetime. :)
BRANDYNICOLE730 BRANDYNICOLE730 7 years
Wrong! If Obama is the candidate, do not be surprised to see McCain win.
LOVE-ANGELINA LOVE-ANGELINA 7 years
Oh thats is soooo low!!!!!!! I don't want ass-kissing. I want Hillary and Obama to be judged fairly. I am pissed off at the bias I have been seeing. The Hillary bashing while Obama gets off scot free. This Wright thing will blow over but they have been very light on Obama. Face it. They have come Hillary at, maybe its because she has been in the game longer but still its sooo unfair. To call Hillary a monster based on what??? Because you don't like her. I think name calling is juvenile and the woman was juvenile to call Hillary a monster. ANYONE who thinks like that woman is juvenile as well. Furthermore, Hillary's marriage has nothing to do with how she will run this country. She isn't Bill's keeper. She's his wife. There has only been one proven infidelity. Whatever problems were between Hillary and Bill they have worked them out and he has been by her side throughout this whole campaign. Their daughter too. Bill loves Hillary. He is proving each and everyday. Hillary only speaks of Bill with fondness. Hillary dotes on her husband. There marriage is a testament what can be done. He cheated on his wife. However they didn't just allow their marriage to disintegrate. They fought for it. Now they're stronger than ever. They fought for that relationship just like Hillary will fight for this country. Just like Bill and Hillary have healed and won that marriage. Hillary can heal and win this country. She is the only person who can do that. What a low blow being up her marriage. Hillary doesn't use her gender for anything. There is nothing with celebrating the fact thats Yes, I am a woman. I have done this and so can you. However Hillary isn't using it. Hillary is smart, hard-working, and she cares about this country. She has spent her life doing this. I am not gonna go there with Obama. I am not gonna do it. I stated how I felt on this and I am gonna leave it at that.
indielove indielove 7 years
"I just want a fair fight. Which so far I haven't been seeing." What you want a public ass-kissing. It's not going to happen, she's hardly a likable person hence why Samantha Power called her a 'monster', a statement I agreed with. I strongly believe that Bill and Hillary are still together because of their political aspirations. What STRONG, independent woman would stay with a man after countless infidelities? I see no warmth and love between them, never have. I could very well be wrong, maybe they ARE in love...I just could never buy that notion. "Hillary cares about people and she has worked hard to get to this point." Hillary cares about one thing: Hillary. I would much more believe that Bill cares about America than her. She uses her gender and the fact that she bore a child as leverage to say that she cares about the people.
stephley stephley 7 years
You might want to read more about both Clintons, even if its just their biographies, because there seem to be serious gaps in your knowledge.
LOVE-ANGELINA LOVE-ANGELINA 7 years
Utter tripe. They may have joked about Bill than Hillary plan. Hillary fell in love with the man. He is Bill Clinton, he was attractive and an excellent speaker. Smart guy. He did pursue her. I mean maybe she fell in love with him. Hillary married him and had his child. I assume there is more between them than politics. Now I suspect yes they both are driven by their commitment to politics than anything else but I highly doubt their union was some convoluted plan for them to help one another be President of the US. I also resent that blind faith remark. If I saw any red flags with Hillary or any reason to question her I would. I believe that Hillary is the best candidate for the job, with American's best interest at heart.
LOVE-ANGELINA LOVE-ANGELINA 7 years
We will see. I guess the thing is trust. I don't trust Obama. I guess some people don't trust Hillary. We will see how this all plays out. Hillary has been such inspiration to me. I believe she wants nothing but help others, build a better future for this country. I don't think she is trying to invoke anything about the 90s in today but we were hellva alot better then. We'll just have to wait and see. I just want a fair fight. Which so far I haven't been seeing.
stephley stephley 7 years
It is not utter tripe, it is absolute fact - they both have openly talked about the 'Bill then Hillary' plan since his first presidential campaign. And her involvement in politics changed when he was governor of Arkansas - she became a partner in a law firm. She worked with child welfare groups during that time as well but she was not a widely-known activist for anything before they went national with HIS presidential campaign. She might have pursued politics if she hadn't married Bill Clinton, but you might ask yourself why she decided to hitch her star to his. If she's so brilliant and so intent on helping everyone, why'd she stick with a guy whose cheating tendencies always threatened everything they were working for? It's fine that you have faith in Clinton and admire her, but there's a great deal at stake in this election and blind faith isn't going to get us anywhere good.
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