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Check This: Two Can Play the Outrageous Pastor Game

Frank Rich of the New York Times wrote a great piece about the other pastor with outrageous YouTube clips. John McCain sought out and received the endorsement of the Reverend John Hagee, the pastor of a Texas megachurch. Some of Hagee's most controversial statements include calling for a "holy war" against Iran, referring to the Roman Catholic Church as the "Great Whore" and saying that God punished New Orleans with Hurricane Katrina because the city was holding a gay pride parade that Monday. Rich says that race, and inconsistent treatment of the political parties, explain why these clips haven't been rebroadcasted in the mainstream media.

There is not just a double standard for black and white politicians at play in too much of the news media and political establishment, but there is also a glaring double standard for our political parties. The Clintons and Mr. Obama are always held accountable for their racial stands, as they should be, but the elephant in the room of our politics is rarely acknowledged: In the 21st century, the so-called party of Lincoln does not have a single African-American among its collective 247 senators and representatives in Washington.

Rich says that if we are going to judge black candidates based on their most controversial associates, we must judge white politicians by the same yardstick.

Both Rev. Hagee and Rev. Wright's comments offend me; however, neither of them is running for president. To some extent, the American people deserve to know what company their potential leader keeps. I'm just not sure it should be the focus of the campaign. How much should it matter to voters that Obama's pastor made inflammatory statements, or that John McCain offered some legitimacy to Hagee's positions by seeking out his endorsement?

Do you agree with Frank Rich? Will Democratic groups start circling the Hagee YouTube on television ads? Are they naive not to, since Republican groups are already buying ad time to play the Wright comments? Is there a high road?

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harmonyfrance harmonyfrance 8 years
:ROTFL: Wondercrats ho! Yeah...we should probably work on that. :P
harmonyfrance harmonyfrance 8 years
:ROTFL: Wondercrats ho! Yeah...we should probably work on that. :P
Jillness Jillness 8 years
Oh, I love Mojitos too! At Celadon at 3rd and Fairfax they have one that is made with Thai Basil and lemon grass (not traditional, of course), but it is soooooooo goooood! Very refreshing! For the slogan, what about:Wondercrats, Unite! :ROTFL:Ok, maybe I need to work on that a bit!
Jillness Jillness 8 years
Oh, I love Mojitos too! At Celadon at 3rd and Fairfax they have one that is made with Thai Basil and lemon grass (not traditional, of course), but it is soooooooo goooood! Very refreshing! For the slogan, what about: Wondercrats, Unite! :ROTFL: Ok, maybe I need to work on that a bit!
harmonyfrance harmonyfrance 8 years
The conservatives won't know what hit em'! Hmmmm...a slogan. I'll start thinking!
hypnoticmix hypnoticmix 8 years
I'm a mojito man myself. If anyone live in or around L.A. stop in at Ciudad down town across the street from the Westin Bonoventure. The worlds best mojitos.
hypnoticmix hypnoticmix 8 years
Margarita! Where!
hypnoticmix hypnoticmix 8 years
Margarita! Where!
Jillness Jillness 8 years
Ahhhh, margeritas!!! Love em! Thanks Harmony! :)We will be quite the powerhouse when we unite! We should get a slogan. ;) Looks like we will have a month to come up with it!
Jillness Jillness 8 years
Ahhhh, margeritas!!! Love em! Thanks Harmony! :) We will be quite the powerhouse when we unite! We should get a slogan. ;) Looks like we will have a month to come up with it!
harmonyfrance harmonyfrance 8 years
I want a margarita!!! AND lots of fried cheese!! Happy Cinco de Mayo everyone. This one's for you Jill :cocktail: I know that we disagree a lot, but I do truly respect your opinions and efforts to produce the facts. We'll be on the same side soon enough. :)
harmonyfrance harmonyfrance 8 years
I want a margarita!!! AND lots of fried cheese!! Happy Cinco de Mayo everyone. This one's for you Jill :cocktail: I know that we disagree a lot, but I do truly respect your opinions and efforts to produce the facts.We'll be on the same side soon enough. :)
hausfrau hausfrau 8 years
Nica its Cinco De Mayo... you are basically required by law to have a margarita today!! :) Drink up!
hausfrau hausfrau 8 years
Nica its Cinco De Mayo... you are basically required by law to have a margarita today!! :)Drink up!
Jillness Jillness 8 years
I think it would be far more productive to nit pick Obama on his policy and stances on issues. The degree to which he shared Wright's views or not will no doubt be present in his actions and policy ideas.
Jillness Jillness 8 years
I think it would be far more productive to nit pick Obama on his policy and stances on issues. The degree to which he shared Wright's views or not will no doubt be present in his actions and policy ideas.
nicachica nicachica 8 years
ugh...all this Rev Wright talk makes me crave a nice margarita. and these allergies are making my eyes watery...need more margarita to deal with this!!!!
harmonyfrance harmonyfrance 8 years
The problem is NOT Obama's church. It's a congregation of thousands. This one man cannot represent thousands of people. The problem is Obama's close personal relationship with Wright and how he keeps changing his official statement on him. FROM CNN: Obama's political excommunication of Wright is not only a sudden and stark departure from his vaunted Philadelphia speech on race -- it also appears to be retroactive. In his press conference he said about Wright: "I know that one thing that he said was true, that he was never my "spiritual adviser." He was never my spiritual mentor. He was my pastor. And to some extent how the press characterized in the past that relationship, I think, was inaccurate." Indeed, the press had characterized Wright in that role quite often. For example, the Chicago Sun Times described him as "a close confidant" in an article about people Obama "seeks out for spiritual counsel," and the New York Times described Wright as his "spiritual mentor." Another source even called Wright the man "who helped introduce" Obama to his "Christian faith," who "counsels" him, is "like family," "a friend," "a great leader" and a "sounding board," who was a member of Obama's spiritual advisory committee and who officiated his wedding and baptized his children. That source? Barack Obama. I wonder where "the press" got all those crazy ideas. My issue has much less to do with the influence Wright has had on Obama and much more to do with his wavering statements and facts on the issue.
harmonyfrance harmonyfrance 8 years
The problem is NOT Obama's church. It's a congregation of thousands. This one man cannot represent thousands of people.The problem is Obama's close personal relationship with Wright and how he keeps changing his official statement on him.FROM CNN: Obama's political excommunication of Wright is not only a sudden and stark departure from his vaunted Philadelphia speech on race -- it also appears to be retroactive. In his press conference he said about Wright: "I know that one thing that he said was true, that he was never my "spiritual adviser." He was never my spiritual mentor. He was my pastor. And to some extent how the press characterized in the past that relationship, I think, was inaccurate."Indeed, the press had characterized Wright in that role quite often. For example, the Chicago Sun Times described him as "a close confidant" in an article about people Obama "seeks out for spiritual counsel," and the New York Times described Wright as his "spiritual mentor."Another source even called Wright the man "who helped introduce" Obama to his "Christian faith," who "counsels" him, is "like family," "a friend," "a great leader" and a "sounding board," who was a member of Obama's spiritual advisory committee and who officiated his wedding and baptized his children.That source? Barack Obama. I wonder where "the press" got all those crazy ideas.My issue has much less to do with the influence Wright has had on Obama and much more to do with his wavering statements and facts on the issue.
KrisSugar KrisSugar 8 years
thanks Sy!!! and thanks Cine for the fish n chips!
KrisSugar KrisSugar 8 years
thanks Sy!!! and thanks Cine for the fish n chips!
cine_lover cine_lover 8 years
Oooooo....I am off to check it out :run:
syako syako 8 years
hey guys this sorta has to do with the topic - I noticed that the sugar rush isn't working, so I just wanted to let you ladies know I posted a blog in the potluck group with our first little assignment! :woohoo:
cine_lover cine_lover 8 years
Thanks for the info Kris!
cine_lover cine_lover 8 years
Thanks for the info Kris!
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