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Congressman Suggests Home For Gitmo Prisoners: Alcatraz

Figuring out where to place prisoners now being held at Guantanamo Bay could be a legal nightmare when Gitmo closes; but the political obstacles could be even more tricky. Thanks to the high profile nature of the prisoners, as well as their characterizations (exaggerated or not) as the most dangerous people in the world, it will be hard to convince cities or towns to keep the prisoners within their limits.

One Republican, Florida Congressman Bill Young, came up with a creative location — Alcatraz! Unfortunately, the island in the San Francisco Bay, which was once an infamous US prison, is now a money-making tourist destination.

When it comes to actual functioning maximum security prisons on US soil, Democratic Pennsylvania Representative John Murtha pointed out last week that “there are thousands of dangerous prisoners being held securely behind bars in supermax prisons across the United States." In fact, Murtha said he would be willing to accept the suspected terrorists in his district. The invitation has some local officials excited about the job and revenue potential, since a maximum security prison would have to be built first.

Would you protest if Guantanamo Bay prisoners came to a prison near you?

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Jazz-Z Jazz-Z 7 years
I think Jon Stewart pretty much captures my take on this subject. http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=216571&title=guantanamo-baywatch-the-final
BRANDYNICOLE730 BRANDYNICOLE730 7 years
"Merely closing the facilities without promptly determining the appropriate disposition of the individuals detained would not adequately serve those interests. To the extent practicable, the prompt and appropriate disposition of the individuals detained at Guantánamo should precede the closure of the detention facilities at Guantánamo. Sec. 3. Closure of Detention Facilities at Guantánamo. The detention facilities at Guantánamo for individuals covered by this order shall be closed as soon as practicable, and no later than 1 year from the date of this order. If any individuals covered by this order remain in detention at Guantánamo at the time of closure of those detention facilities, they shall be returned to their home country, released, transferred to a third country, or transferred to another United States detention facility in a manner consistent with law and the national security and foreign policy interests of the United States." This was taken from the actual Executive Order straight from www.whitehouse.gov. I will apologize for my usage of "hopefully."
stephley stephley 7 years
"Doesn't he have a plan set in place?" Considering the Bush Administration that you supported brought hundreds of people over, didn't keep careful records on who the suspects are or what they're suspected of doing, was told three times by the Supreme Court that it was violating US laws, and only managed to bring a handful to trial - with fewer convictions - your attempt at a pointed question really backfires.
UnDave35 UnDave35 7 years
"It specifically states that he ordered the process to begin, and hopefully closed at the end of this year" Wow, so he isn't going to set an end date for its closure. Why not? Doesn't he have a plan set in place?
BRANDYNICOLE730 BRANDYNICOLE730 7 years
There was a UN Torture Special Investigator on CNN today. He said that according to a treaty signed by Reagan (ya'll should accept that) it is the United States' responsibility to bring those that condone and order torture to justice. This means that Obama is required to, at the very least, open an independent investigation into the allegations and suspected orders to torture by none other than Donald Rumsfeld specifically, and the Bush administration as a whole. On the topic of Gitmo. Would all of the people claiming Obama did this without any plans please go to whitehouse.gov and click on Executive Orders. It specifically states that he ordered the process to begin, and hopefully closed at the end of this year. Deciding what to do with the prisoners is (I thought) obviously to be determined on a case by case basis.
Jazz-Z Jazz-Z 7 years
I think they should already have electrical security fencing around the perimeter of the island. The prisoners have been living off the U.S. for the past eight years, why not put them to work painting and repairing their new home. I'm sure some might prefer torture.
janneth janneth 7 years
It would cost a fortune to transport all the materials and people to that island, to fix it up enough to be a high security prison.
hypnoticmix hypnoticmix 7 years
I wouldn't have a problem with it for the same reason I mentioned in another post. These are terrorists who require a complicated network to operate in and a strict ideology that guides their actions. They're not the individualistic cold blooded loose cannons that pupulate our prisons today. They are methodic patient and operate with in a chain of command. All we need to do is make sure the prison is escape proof and I wouldn't sweat it too much.
hausfrau hausfrau 7 years
I'll take The Rapists for 200! 123video.nl/playvideos.asp?MovieID=139211
mydiadem mydiadem 7 years
Maybe Sean Connery is in Gitmo, I haven't seen him out and about in a while.
Jude-C Jude-C 7 years
Terrorists in Alcatraz just reminds me of The Rock.
mafalda_quino mafalda_quino 7 years
Isn't it a bit of an oversimplification to talk about "bad guys that nobody wants"? For example about 10-15% of the "bad guys" are Chinese Uighurs, a muslim minority that China has been repeatedly accused of systematically abusing their human rights. Those people were suspected of terrorist activities by the U.S, taken to Guantanamo where it was proven they were innocent and as such should be released. What now? Albania has already accepted 6 of them, and more effort is made to find suitable countries for the rest. More info on E.U. involvement and Uighurs here: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7850868.stm http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/4435135.stm
Jazz-Z Jazz-Z 7 years
"...claiming that we are going to close Gitmo in a year, without having any idea what we are going to do with these people is far worse." That sounds more like a Bush move. I think it pretty clear Obama's primary intent is to not hold temporary prisoners hostage another year (after already being held for eight years without having been charged with anything), to stop the hypocracy of treating prisoners like Saddam Hussein rather than the U.S., to cut tax dollars wherever he can and to disband soldiers.
Jazz-Z Jazz-Z 7 years
"The problem is that since the countries where these guys claim to be from doesn't want them, we have to honor their wishes. Would you like it if China took the worst that their nation had to offer and dropped them in various places throughout the US, because they claimed to be US citizens, even though we said we didn't want them?" I doubt anyone can just "claim" to be from one country or another, and why would their country not allow them back in if they are innocent? Was that an assumption?
mydiadem mydiadem 7 years
Haus - you commented that you didn't know how any conservative can like Murtha so I gave you reasons why they do. Its obvious you don't like him but luckily you don't live in his district. I wonder what the tax dollar savings will be for closing down Gitmo. Also do people here seriously think that a terrorist organization is going to come over to the the US and try to break into a super max prison to get someone out? I think they probably would rather spend their resources on, I don't know, trying to attack US citizens again. By not torturing and assuring fair trials will allow more real bad guys to be kept in worse conditions and the innocent will be released reducing tax payer burden.
UnDave35 UnDave35 7 years
I think we need to free the ones to the governments of the countries they claim to be from. If these people are bad dudes in those countries, then the government should have some special interest in them. I agree that this wasn't the ideal situation, but boldly claiming that we are going to close Gitmo in a year, without having any idea what we are going to do with these people is far worse.
stephley stephley 7 years
"The problem is that since the countries where these guys claim to be from doesn't want them, we have to honor their wishes. Would you like it if China took the worst that their nation had to offer and dropped them in various places throughout the US, because they claimed to be US citizens, even though we said we didn't want them?" So what do we do with them Dave? Are US taxpayers now committed to them for the rest of their lives? That wasn't such a smart idea was it?
StolzeMama StolzeMama 7 years
Yeah SKB Alcatraz would be torture. It is freezing, paint peeling, no access to sunlight.
UnDave35 UnDave35 7 years
I don't think we should bother with the whole make it up to code thing. If they think they have it bad now, wait until they get someplace where the heat doesn't really work anymore...
skb9850 skb9850 7 years
The problem with housing them at Alcatraz is it is a very old prison and not up to code. I shudder to think how much it would cost to turn it into a working prison again.
UnDave35 UnDave35 7 years
The problem is that since the countries where these guys claim to be from doesn't want them, we have to honor their wishes. Would you like it if China took the worst that their nation had to offer and dropped them in various places throughout the US, because they claimed to be US citizens, even though we said we didn't want them?
stephley stephley 7 years
Look it up - I find that people remember better when they aren't spoon fed information. Try googling 'innocent detainees' or Maj. General Michael Dunlavey and innocent detainees. You undoubtedly will find fault with this, but Seton Hall University School of Law has been detailing all it can on the detainees for several years: http://law.shu.edu/aaafinal.pdf
hausfrau hausfrau 7 years
So where is this evidence?
StolzeMama StolzeMama 7 years
that would not be fear mongering.... your statement can be construed as fear mongering as much as mine nyara.
stephley stephley 7 years
There are other people who need to hear it before Murtha, but I appreciate the suggestion. There is plenty of evidence that random people were picked up (not necessarily by throwing them into trucks but I'm assuming that's a less important part of your point) - as for hysterical, here's an interesting quote from Dick Cheney on releasing detainees whom they knew to be entirely innocent: “People will ask where they’ve been and ‘What have you been doing with them?’” Cheney said in a White House meeting. “They’ll all get lawyers.”
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