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Debate Over Women in Combat Likely to Heat Up in '08

Debate Over Women in Combat Likely to Heat Up in '08

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Debate Over Women in Combat Likely to Heat Up in '08
In the last five years in Iraq, women have flown hundreds of combat missions. And though they remain barred from ground combat units, women — who make up about 15 percent of the military — are playing a bigger fighting role than ever. About 100 have died in Iraq and Afghanistan. The drive to eliminate gender distinctions in the military appears to be entering a new phase, with debate likely to come to a head within a few years. The next president, whether presumptive GOP nominee McCain or a Democrat, almost certainly will face the question of women in combat.

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hausfrau hausfrau 8 years
"I think part of the problem is that politicians, and a public stupendously ignorant of what it actually means to run an effective military are allowed so much say in how the military manages itself." My god Sarah, I could marry you!!! ;) Well.... not legally in most states.... :)
sarah_bellum sarah_bellum 8 years
I think part of the problem is that politicians, and a public stupendously ignorant of what it actually means to run an effective military are allowed so much say in how the military manages itself. As a result, not only do we have insane rules of engagement, like having to knock on the door of the house an insurgent just ran into (can you imagine anything even remotely similar in WW2?), but significant and real differences are being wished away just to 'prove' a point, as if the consequences were the same as in the civilian sector. The only reason I even feel remotely comfortable addressing the issue is because I've met a great deal of veterans and currently serving personnel while seeking out my own information about joining the military after college. It has really made me reconsider my initial "anything you can do..." knee-jerk reaction.
Megatron Megatron 8 years
I am a veteran and am doing my college graduation research project on this issue. I agree with you, Mandymoos.I, too, am kind of resentful that it seems to big one big social experiment. I was on a ship and I felt like a lab rat some days, like some one was exposing us to all of these tests just to see how we would react.
hausfrau hausfrau 8 years
SB! you are makin me laugh like crazy today! hey if it were up to me i wouldn't have women in combat roles not even ancillary... but i guess i'm just sexist.
Jillness Jillness 8 years
:rotfl: Very funny Sarah!
sarah_bellum sarah_bellum 8 years
BUT, female pilots don't call it the cockpit. It's sexist. So they call it the Box Office.
Jillness Jillness 8 years
In 1991, McCain was against allowing females pilots to fly combat missions. He said that they should never be allowed in combat, because "some of the people that might capture them can be pretty mean." (He lost that battle, and women pilots have been in combat roles since the mid-1990s.) I am sorry, but if you are tourting someone, what does it matter if you are a man or woman? They will be "mean" to both of you, and both sexes have the vulnerability of rape and mental anquish.
sarah_bellum sarah_bellum 8 years
Whoa. Just reread the first sentence of my last post. I hadn't had my caffeine when I wrote it... And I agree about the salary issue.
mondaymoos mondaymoos 8 years
The only positive thing I can really say when it comes to how women are treated in the military, sarah_bellum, is that we don't have to worry about not getting paid as much as our male counterparts. Everybody in the same rank makes the same money, regardless. And that's how it should be.
sarah_bellum sarah_bellum 8 years
I've been told the same thing by my friends that same thing, mondaymoos. And more than a few of them are actually quite resentful that the military is more frequently treated like a social experiment, to the detriment of it's effectiveness.
mondaymoos mondaymoos 8 years
The "women in combat" issue isn't really an issue in the military itself. Sorry, but all of the women who served during war time can attest to this. What they call "noncom" is usually not anything of the sort. From watches to patrols, you're probably going to end up seeing combat of some sort. It's more an issue of whether the American public actually wants to face that fact.
stephley stephley 8 years
Before women take on a greater combat role, we ought to get ready at home: "At the moment, the Department of Veterans Affairs operates only six inpatient post-traumatic stress disorder programs specifically for women. And although all 153 department-run hospitals will treat women, only 22 have stand-alone women’s clinics that offer a full range of medical and psychological services. This number of clinics may seem adequate for the 1.7 million female veterans currently at home, especially since they represent only 7.2 percent of all veterans at the moment, but it isn’t. Many clinics are miles from where soldiers live, and many more are open only a few hours a week and lack staff members trained to deal with sexual assault, let alone assault combined with combat trauma. The Department of Veterans Affairs says it plans to open more clinics for post-traumatic stress disorder, but how many will be only for women remains undecided. Women are the fastest-growing group of veterans, and by 2020 they are projected to account for 20 percent of all veterans under the age of 45. Not all of these women will have suffered sexual assault, but many will have medical or psychological needs that conventional department hospitals cannot meet."
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