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Debate Rebate: Democrats Debate Scandals of the Campaign

Well the debate got off to a hard-hitting start, discussing crucial issues facing America, including 1990s Bosnian sniper fire, Reverend Wright, and bitter-gate.

I found one of the early questions especially insightful. Moderator George Stephanopoulos, a former Bill Clinton adviser, asked Obama: "Do you think Reverend Wright loves America as much as you do?" I immediately had a "what is going on here ahhhhhh!!??" moment.

After moving on from topics such as whether Obama "believes in the American Flag," ABC decided to bring up some legitimate issues.

Both candidates seemed dedicated to perusing a responsible policy toward Iran and the Middle East, which emphasizes diplomacy, but does not rule out any option. As for taxes, both candidates embrace a pay as you go fiscal policy, and would roll back the tax breaks for the wealthy, without raising taxes for the middle class.

Overall, both candidates seemed exhausted. The early debate about the campaign seemed to keep Obama on the defensive, and eager to get back to the issues. Even though Obama was a bit off, I'm not sure Hillary snuck through the cracks enough to stop him.

Who did you think was stronger on the issues? On the politics? Can you see these two holding hands at the Democratic Convention this summer? Did the utterly irrelevant questions drive you guys crazy, too?!

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Jillness Jillness 8 years
I am cool with not beating the dead horses! I think we both agree that government waste is a terrible thing and that some federally funded programs shouldn't be. I think the gray areas are where we differ, but I think there is a lot of area where we agree!
cine_lover cine_lover 8 years
"The bottom line for me is that there are some programs that need to be funded for our country to continue being safe and secure." Sure. But there are MANY programs that are unconstitutional and or not working and should be cut or weened until they are self sufficient (my state or private funds). And I don't need to get into the bridge topic with you, we both know what I will write and it is the end of my work day ;)
cine_lover cine_lover 8 years
ChiTown, A vast majority of true Conservatives (not to be confused with Religious Right) are very disappointed with Bush, for various reason, Economics are just the tip of the iceberg.
Jillness Jillness 8 years
I think we should decrease Federal taxes, but at the same time there are certain things that America NEEDS to function. Roads are one of them. Right now 16,000 bridges that needed inspections this year and were in the same category as the bridge in Minnesota will not get their inspections because the federal government doesn't have the money to do them. This is what tax cuts are sacrificing. I just think we have to talk realistically about what "tax cuts" mean. Social security for example, we either raise the age to get benefits, we cut benefits, we raise taxes, or we invest in other programs to gain more revenue. I know that Obama's strategy is a redistribution of tax burden, as well as creation of programs to raise money in other ways. The bottom line for me is that there are some programs that need to be funded for our country to continue being safe and secure.
Beauty Beauty 8 years
ChiTownEm, I like what you have to say! And I'm with all of you who thought it was ridiculous to have Stephanopoulos be the moderator. Classic conflict of interest. I'd be just as upset if, say, Oprah were the moderator. The media are just ridiculous and irresponsible.
ChiTownEm ChiTownEm 8 years
Math is math. George W. Bush cut taxes and embarked on a war that conservative estimates say will wind up costing 3 trillion dollars in total. That is like trying to lose weight by eating Twinkies all day. It just doesn't work. Also, this administration ballooned the federal bureaucracy to unprecedented levels. By my logic, a true "Conservative" would be every bit as ticked at Republicans as Liberals are. Just my opinion.
stephley stephley 8 years
I am timid enough on certain economic matters that I wasn't positive if there was a way to separate them. Thanks for the clarification.
kcross kcross 8 years
change we can believe in = obama
lilkimbo lilkimbo 8 years
And you're right, Cine. McCain has named areas in which he would cut spending.
lilkimbo lilkimbo 8 years
Wow, stephley. Never did I say that Bush wasn't part of the spending increase. I just referred to them as Bush's tax cuts because that's how they have been referred to on this post. And, while Bush took a part in the raising of expenses, he was not the only player, so I think it's more accurate to say the federal government, of which Bush is a large part.
cine_lover cine_lover 8 years
"I believe that is part of McCains program, to cut programs AND keep the tax cuts." *** Sorry for the crazy incoherent writing! I believe that it is part of McCains campaign to cut programs AND keep the tax cuts.
cine_lover cine_lover 8 years
Jillness, as a Conservative I am all for lower federal taxes, but I agree that Bush did it incorrectly by not cutting programs. I believe that is part of McCains program, to cut programs AND keep the tax cuts. Doesn't Obama and Hilary want to add federal programs?
stephley stephley 8 years
"Well, Bush's tax cuts may have worked had the federal government not also drastically increased its spending." This confuses me: the tax cuts are Bush's but the increased spending is 'the federal government'... couldn't it also be the federal tax cuts and the Bush government/administration drastically increased spending? Is he actually responsible for one and not the other?
Jillness Jillness 8 years
I was saying the collective "you", not you specifically. I will watch for that in the future, yowza. "The cutting of taxes does not necessarily lead to the raising of taxes in the future, if expenses are cut as well." True, but expenses weren't cut, and so Bush DID force the raising of taxes in the future. If McCain says that he won't raise taxes, he is simply delaying the inevitable. We need to pay for what we have already spent at some point. It is unavoidable. Billions have already been spent. My point is that the Republican strategy that Bush put forth and that McCain is endorsing will only increase our debt.
lilkimbo lilkimbo 8 years
(Sorry for the three separate comments.) The cutting of taxes does not necessarily lead to the raising of taxes in the future, if expenses are cut as well. In Bush's case this did not happen. But, the tax cuts themselves did not "force the raising of taxes in the future."
lilkimbo lilkimbo 8 years
And he did temporarily cut taxes, so to say he cut taxes is realistic. To say he permanently cut taxes is unrealistic.
lilkimbo lilkimbo 8 years
Well, Bush's tax cuts may have worked had the federal government not also drastically increased its spending. If you actually read what I said, no where in it did I state that Bush's economic policies worked. I was stating that McCain doesn't want to repeal the tax cuts because doing so would cause an increase in taxes for everyone. Thanks for telling me that I can't argue what I'm not even trying to argue.
Jillness Jillness 8 years
But if you agree with part of Bush's tax cuts but not all of them, then you have to disregard the whole thing. Obama and I believe Hillary's plans would cut taxes for the middle class, and not raise them for anyone under $250,000. You can't argue that Bush's financial plans have worked. We have a huge deficit and more Americans are making less. Infrastructure like bridges and roads are literally falling apart. More people are working in each household, and yet American families are struggling because of inflation. Inflation in March rose faster than it has in 33 years! 33 YEARS! You can't ignore the fact that our tax reductions and over spending have caused us to borrow to the point where the dollar is dying. The Republicans had their chance, and it failed miserably. It is time for a new strategy, because I don't think our country could survive more of the same. We will have to pay for the things Bush has been buying on credit eventually. To say he cut taxes isn't realistic, because it forces the raising of taxes in the future.
syako syako 8 years
dang brackets and taxes :raspberry:
cine_lover cine_lover 8 years
Thanks for the percentages lil!
lilkimbo lilkimbo 8 years
Actually, McCain has said letting Bush's tax cuts lapse would be like raising taxes for middle class America. Bush's tax cuts actually cut taxes for everyone. People in the 15% ($0-$26,250) bracket were cut down to 10%, 28% ($26,250-$53,550) to 25%, 31% ($53,550-$132,600) to 28%, 36% ($132,600-$288,350) to 33% and 39.6% ($288,350 and up) to 35%. So, taking away these tax cuts and defaulting back to the old tax rates would be like a tax increase in McCain's eyes.
syako syako 8 years
No I didn't say the democrats said that, I just read it (somewhere!!) recently and I'm racking my brain where I saw that because it completely shocked me.
Jillness Jillness 8 years
The Democrats weren't calling the middle class at $350k. They said that they would possibly increase taxes for those making more than $250,000...and McCain has said that democrats would raise taxes for the middle class America. I just wanted to make sure we are all on the same page. ;)
stephley stephley 8 years
Stephanopoulos hasn't been popular with the Clinton crowd for years now; he became critical and that didn't sit well.
UnDave35 UnDave35 8 years
My friends call me Monica, but I don't know why.... ;)
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