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Debate Rebate: Putting the Oh! in the Ohio Faceoff

So yes, last night was the big 2-0. The 20th Democratic debate of this election. And though there were, shall we say, instant replays of answers and sound bites we've seen before, Liberty and I have ransacked the transcript looking for those two exchanges that made us sit up and say "oh!" Here's mine; Liberty's is coming soon!


Citizen: I'm going to call it the "first lady question that launched a Russert naildown of NAFTA positions." During the "potentially embarrassing videos" portion of the evening, Obama's video showed him criticizing Clinton of claiming a "co-presidency" during her years as first lady. When asked to respond, Obama made me sit up and take note. He said,

I have not in any way said that experience is not relevant, and I don't begrudge her claiming that as experience. What I've said, and what I would continue to maintain, is you can't take credit for all the good things that happened but then, when it comes to issues like NAFTA, you say, well, I — behind the scenes, I was disagreeing. That doesn't work. So you have to, I think, take both responsibility as well as credit.

This idea sparked a little discussion in the comments last night. I think it highlights a prickly position for both, especially as the concept of "experience" is hotly contested. While I think the fact that Barack brought it up at all does give credence to the notion that perhaps first lady doesn't count as experience (despite his actual position), it puts Hillary in a tough position. To see if "first lady" should make Hillary's resume,

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Of course she wants to claim her time in the White House — she was arguably one of the most involved first ladies of modern history. But in doing so she is saddled with policy that she really didn't get to shape, like NAFTA. Russert jumped on this opportunity to nail down both on their future plans for the trade agreement, and both finally said they would use the threat of withdrawal as a means to reform. (Though if a threat is labeled as such, I daresay it's no longer a threat.)

So does Hillary's first ladyship count? Are you with Obama, she has to claim it all — or should Hillary be able to give voice to just her opinions from that time?

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LOVE-ANGELINA LOVE-ANGELINA 7 years
Go Hillary!!!! I want a candidate with experience. Obama hasn't even fully served his sit in the Senate. Honestly I don't trust him and I am so happy to be a Hillary supporter. I know Hillary will do an excellent job. The media has run an negative spin against her for months. This is a woman devoted to politics and thats what I want in office.
CaterpillarGirl CaterpillarGirl 7 years
Ga, i could hardly watch because of her, I mean she actually said "whatever" in an answer! And she is just so petty it makes me cringe, like i have said before her experiance being "first" lady (because we all know bill doesnt put her in that catagory) isnt enough to be president. SHe isnt presidential in her mannerisms, could you imagine on the world stage her saying "whatever" or crying, or being petty over words like denounce and reject? ridiculous.
trésjolie1 trésjolie1 7 years
I was a Hillary supporter too, so it's not that I hated the idea of her. But she has done everything to turn me off, and then some, so now it would be really hard to swallow if she became the nominee. I don't think that is going to happen though, I think he is on his way to win this thing, if it is next week or next month. Either way I hope it is soon, I do feel tired of fighting back and forth on minute differences in plans and vast differences in character.
Linny Linny 7 years
I agree that she can not cherry pick what to call her achievements and failures. Where's her date-book thing from those eight years? Let's see what she was up to back then and then decide what is hers to claim as experience. I also was a Clinton supporter in the beginning. Lately I've been really turned off by her campaign tatics- the accusations of plagiarism and the photo leak. I can't trust someone that has to turn to those methods to get results. I think it's backfiring for her, big time. If she had any hope of being Obama's running mate that's gone now by the way she has handled her campaign.
Linny Linny 7 years
I agree that she can not cherry pick what to call her achievements and failures. Where's her date-book thing from those eight years? Let's see what she was up to back then and then decide what is hers to claim as experience. I also was a Clinton supporter in the beginning. Lately I've been really turned off by her campaign tatics- the accusations of plagiarism and the photo leak. I can't trust someone that has to turn to those methods to get results. I think it's backfiring for her, big time. If she had any hope of being Obama's running mate that's gone now by the way she has handled her campaign.
Jillness Jillness 7 years
Thank you mymellowman! Your opinion is very valuable to me, and very insightful! ;)
Jillness Jillness 7 years
Thank you mymellowman! Your opinion is very valuable to me, and very insightful! ;)
raciccarone raciccarone 7 years
I think it's important in a democracy to have AT LEAST two ruling families from which to choose.
mymellowman mymellowman 7 years
Always a pleasure to chat with you all on the left, especially you Jillness. :)
mymellowman mymellowman 7 years
Always a pleasure to chat with you all on the left, especially you Jillness. :)
Bettyesque Bettyesque 7 years
I agree .. far more productive then the recent debates ;)
saucymegstar saucymegstar 7 years
Funny...about the "wedge" because so many Republicans are disenchanted with their party (I'm registered independant)as well. This might speak to the fact that the two party system needs review. Which will not happen from within.
saucymegstar saucymegstar 7 years
Funny...about the "wedge" because so many Republicans are disenchanted with their party (I'm registered independant)as well. This might speak to the fact that the two party system needs review. Which will not happen from within.
Jillness Jillness 7 years
"It was what I was feeling from the outside looking in, but was intrigued to see what the intern thoughts were." That is one of the reasons I love this site! It is so good for Americans to hear what the "other side" REALLY thinks. I think that political pundits on both sides of the spectrum tend to exaggerate and manipulate the other party's take on issues. Discussion is so much more productive when we have the opportunity to listen to a different perspective.
Jillness Jillness 7 years
"It was what I was feeling from the outside looking in, but was intrigued to see what the intern thoughts were."That is one of the reasons I love this site! It is so good for Americans to hear what the "other side" REALLY thinks. I think that political pundits on both sides of the spectrum tend to exaggerate and manipulate the other party's take on issues. Discussion is so much more productive when we have the opportunity to listen to a different perspective.
LuciLu LuciLu 7 years
well for me, i hate this experience debate that hillary is running... last time i checked- just because my husband did something, doesnt mean im all that good at it either. yes, she may have insight into how a white house is run, but thats a clinton whitehouse, not necessarily what we need today.
mymellowman mymellowman 7 years
Hey all, thanks for the input on the "wedge" situation. It was what I was feeling from the outside looking in, but was intrigued to see what the intern thoughts were.I think the stabbing the other day is what really pushed my thoughts on the matter.
mymellowman mymellowman 7 years
Hey all, thanks for the input on the "wedge" situation. It was what I was feeling from the outside looking in, but was intrigued to see what the intern thoughts were. I think the stabbing the other day is what really pushed my thoughts on the matter.
Bettyesque Bettyesque 7 years
I agree Jill .. to many personalities. Which do we buy into. NONE.
trésjolie1 trésjolie1 7 years
If there is one thing she should have learned it is to behave according to position as First Lady. Her rant about the mailers, where she was screaming and shaking as if a part of an exorcism ritual saying; "shame on you, Barack Obama!". It was not Presidential, and wouldn't be if she was a man or black or likable. That was one personality I hope I never see again. Maybe she should take a refresh course with Laura Bush. Lesson 1. Don't scream. Lesson 2. Engage with the public. Lesson 3. Be polite. Lesson 4. Don't scream.
trésjolie1 trésjolie1 7 years
If there is one thing she should have learned it is to behave according to position as First Lady. Her rant about the mailers, where she was screaming and shaking as if a part of an exorcism ritual saying; "shame on you, Barack Obama!". It was not Presidential, and wouldn't be if she was a man or black or likable. That was one personality I hope I never see again. Maybe she should take a refresh course with Laura Bush. Lesson 1. Don't scream. Lesson 2. Engage with the public. Lesson 3. Be polite. Lesson 4. Don't scream.
Jillness Jillness 7 years
I used to like Hillary when the race first started. Her actions on the campaign trail have made me not trust her, though. She will lie to voters to get what she wants, and that really disappointed me.
Jillness Jillness 7 years
I used to like Hillary when the race first started. Her actions on the campaign trail have made me not trust her, though. She will lie to voters to get what she wants, and that really disappointed me.
Bettyesque Bettyesque 7 years
Exactly you cant Cherry pick .. good point StPat.
Bettyesque Bettyesque 7 years
It may not count for much, but it still does count. In regards to a wedge I see it every day with people that speak to, its is happening. How could it not when you support a such a Flighty candidate as Hill. She is so up and down and wishy washy. I know several people including myself who once supported her and now because of recent events are walking away. From before she decided to run I was participating support campaigns, I even made a donation. It was set in my mind that she should run and that I was going to vote for her. I along with many of my friends and are now feeling quite different. That doesnt mean we are voting for Obama .. so there is your wedge .. what now.
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