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Democrats Strongly Support a Woman's Choice to Keep Baby

Democrats Strongly Support a Woman's Choice to Keep Baby

The 2008 Democratic platform has some new, pro-life-friendly language. The party's 54-page platform, set to be approved in Denver, will have a special section devoted to motherhood. The Democratic Party will make it clear that it "strongly backs a woman's decision to carry a pregnancy to term."

The Democrats don't believe the party's position on abortion has to fall squarely into one camp. The newly-framed abortion stance will be increasingly inclusive: abortion should be legal, but there should also be more programs for expectant mothers who want to keep their babies. A pastor, who identifies as an undecided pro-life Republican, helped the Democrats come up with the platform. He explained the significance like this:

Voters that this will win over are those that are looking for an excuse to vote for Obama.They just needed one signal that, if I vote for him, more babies can be saved than if we keep wrangling over whether Roe v. Wade is going to be overturned.

Meanwhile, John McCain has alarmed his base by suggesting he would pick a pro-choice VP. Do you think the Democrat's new platform makes room for Americans who oppose abortion, but want to support Obama for other reasons?

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hypnoticmix hypnoticmix 8 years
I kinda think it's silly to have to convince people that pro-choice people are not pro-death but if it give some people peace of mind than it's harmless enough I guess.
hypnoticmix hypnoticmix 8 years
I kinda think it's silly to have to convince people that pro-choice people are not pro-death but if it give some people peace of mind than it's harmless enough I guess.
MartiniLush MartiniLush 8 years
Thanks for the post outtajo, that is quite a bit to mull over, and you give some great information, much of which I didn't already know. I have to question your statement that "If she's legally "alive" at the end of it, a physician was not legally allowed to provide that abortion"....as Mich points out, that is contradictory to the wording of the act you quote. "This subsection does not apply to a partial-birth abortion that is necessary to save the life of a mother" would seem to indicate that the end result expected or desired is that she would be alive at the end of it...
MartiniLush MartiniLush 8 years
Thanks for the post outtajo, that is quite a bit to mull over, and you give some great information, much of which I didn't already know. I have to question your statement that "If she's legally "alive" at the end of it, a physician was not legally allowed to provide that abortion"....as Mich points out, that is contradictory to the wording of the act you quote. "This subsection does not apply to a partial-birth abortion that is necessary to save the life of a mother" would seem to indicate that the end result expected or desired is that she would be alive at the end of it...
Michelann Michelann 8 years
"If she's legally "alive" at the end of it, a physician was not legally allowed to provide that abortion"That doesn't make any sense, and is not a rational interpretation of the wording of that act.
Michelann Michelann 8 years
"If she's legally "alive" at the end of it, a physician was not legally allowed to provide that abortion" That doesn't make any sense, and is not a rational interpretation of the wording of that act.
Jillness Jillness 8 years
Wow, interesting points, outtajo! I will have to mull that over...quite a lot to digest. Thank you for sharing!
Jillness Jillness 8 years
From what I understand, the Illinois State Senate bill did not include an exception for the mother's health. Obama voted "present" to show that he would agree with the ban, if it included an exception for the mother's health. In the United States Senate ban in 1993, there was an exception for the mother's health, but Obama was not a part of the Senate at the Federal level to vote on it.
Jillness Jillness 8 years
From what I understand, the Illinois State Senate bill did not include an exception for the mother's health. Obama voted "present" to show that he would agree with the ban, if it included an exception for the mother's health. In the United States Senate ban in 1993, there was an exception for the mother's health, but Obama was not a part of the Senate at the Federal level to vote on it.
outtajo outtajo 8 years
To be clear -- the late-term abortion ban does <b>NOT</b> include an exception for the health of the mother."This subsection does not apply to a partial-birth abortion that is necessary to save the <b>life</b> of a mother"Notice that the words "OR HEALTH" are conspicuously absent?This means that a doctor performing a late-term abortion on a woman who is not physically dying at that very moment could face prosecution. Nevermind any serious damage that may be done to the woman's body by continuing to carry the pregnancy. If she's legally "alive" at the end of it, a physician was not legally allowed to provide that abortion, no matter her physical state at the end.Also - the late-term abortion ban does NOT ban all late-term abortions. It bans one particular procedure, which, while potentially "icky" depending on your perspective, is the SAFEST method of late-term abortion.What does this mean? Woman who require late-term abortions can still have them, when necessary, but can be legally barred from having the <i>safest</i> procedure available, leaving them with a more risky procedure in order to satisfy "pro-lifers."Please note that I said "women who require..." because I"m sure everyone knows that across the country, a pregnant woman can NOT just wander into an abortion clinic late in pregnancy and simply request a late-term abortion on demand. This is outlawed pretty much everywhere. So all this ban does is prevent women who NEED a medical procedure from receiving the safest and most effective care available.Also, try to use the term "late-term" since it's actually objective. "Partial-birth" abortion is not a medical term and purely a phrase conceived by abortion opponents to frame the issue in a distinctly anti-abortion manner.
outtajo outtajo 8 years
To be clear -- the late-term abortion ban does NOT include an exception for the health of the mother. "This subsection does not apply to a partial-birth abortion that is necessary to save the life of a mother" Notice that the words "OR HEALTH" are conspicuously absent? This means that a doctor performing a late-term abortion on a woman who is not physically dying at that very moment could face prosecution. Nevermind any serious damage that may be done to the woman's body by continuing to carry the pregnancy. If she's legally "alive" at the end of it, a physician was not legally allowed to provide that abortion, no matter her physical state at the end. Also - the late-term abortion ban does NOT ban all late-term abortions. It bans one particular procedure, which, while potentially "icky" depending on your perspective, is the SAFEST method of late-term abortion. What does this mean? Woman who require late-term abortions can still have them, when necessary, but can be legally barred from having the safest procedure available, leaving them with a more risky procedure in order to satisfy "pro-lifers." Please note that I said "women who require..." because I"m sure everyone knows that across the country, a pregnant woman can NOT just wander into an abortion clinic late in pregnancy and simply request a late-term abortion on demand. This is outlawed pretty much everywhere. So all this ban does is prevent women who NEED a medical procedure from receiving the safest and most effective care available. Also, try to use the term "late-term" since it's actually objective. "Partial-birth" abortion is not a medical term and purely a phrase conceived by abortion opponents to frame the issue in a distinctly anti-abortion manner.
Michelann Michelann 8 years
Ah, okay, well I don't have the text of that bill. I've got to take the puppy for a walk, but maybe I'll look it up afterward :)
Great-Sommelier Great-Sommelier 8 years
It was a state senate thing. Just Illinois.
Michelann Michelann 8 years
You're right, I am confused. I'm trying to find what GS was referring to when she said he opposed a ban on partial birth abortions. I see that statement in several news articles, but they don't reference any specific vote.
Jillness Jillness 8 years
Michelin, isn't that the language from the 2003 US Congressional ban...and Obama wasn't in the US Senate at that time.
MartiniLush MartiniLush 8 years
Thanks, GS I will see if I can find a clip. I am interested to hear what she has to say. If this procedure is predominantly used due to issues with the mother's health or because the child has a severe abnormality, I am not sure I take a lot of issue with it. It sounds gruesome and horrible, but I believe a mother's life takes priority always. And if the child's deformity would prevent it's viability outside the womb, I would never want to force a woman to continue a pregnancy and then give birth to a child that would subsequently die right away, that in itself would be cruel. I would leave it up to her to decide, in that case.
Michelann Michelann 8 years
Jill, my source is the Act itself."This subsection does not apply to a partial-birth abortion that is necessary to save the life of a mother whose life is endangered by a physical disorder, physical illness, or physical injury, including a life-endangering physical condition caused by or arising from the pregnancy itself"That sounds like an exception for the mother's health.
Michelann Michelann 8 years
Jill, my source is the Act itself. "This subsection does not apply to a partial-birth abortion that is necessary to save the life of a mother whose life is endangered by a physical disorder, physical illness, or physical injury, including a life-endangering physical condition caused by or arising from the pregnancy itself" That sounds like an exception for the mother's health.
Great-Sommelier Great-Sommelier 8 years
She was on the Mark Levin show today as well. If you want to hear her witness to the Obama response I'm sure you can find a clip.
Great-Sommelier Great-Sommelier 8 years
The nurse that testified in front of Obama's committee (from Christ Hospital in Chicago that, she said, routinely performed pb abortions) said that the majority were done to abort downs syndrome babies, the second largest were for deformities.
Michelann Michelann 8 years
Martini, I got this information from Wiki, so take it with a grain of salt..."Late-term abortions at 21 weeks or later account for 1.4% of all abortions in the USA.[11] Intact D&X procedures are used in approximately 15% of those late-term abortion cases. This is the equivalent of between 2,500 and 3,000 per year, using data from the Alan Guttmacher Institute for the year 2000"
Michelann Michelann 8 years
Martini, I got this information from Wiki, so take it with a grain of salt... "Late-term abortions at 21 weeks or later account for 1.4% of all abortions in the USA.[11] Intact D&X procedures are used in approximately 15% of those late-term abortion cases. This is the equivalent of between 2,500 and 3,000 per year, using data from the Alan Guttmacher Institute for the year 2000"
Jillness Jillness 8 years
Michelin, we must be working with a different set of facts, which is understandable because sources on both sides have strong agendas. I have read from several sources that I trust that the legislation did not include exceptions for the mother's health. I wish that we could have a really national discussion about this topic that doesn't dissolve into accusations of baby hating and the like. I think that, while there are big areas where we disagree, there are probably big areas where the pro-life and pro-choice folks would agree. By vilifying the opposition, I think we detour around these areas of common agreement.
Jillness Jillness 8 years
Michelin, we must be working with a different set of facts, which is understandable because sources on both sides have strong agendas. I have read from several sources that I trust that the legislation did not include exceptions for the mother's health. I wish that we could have a really national discussion about this topic that doesn't dissolve into accusations of baby hating and the like. I think that, while there are big areas where we disagree, there are probably big areas where the pro-life and pro-choice folks would agree. By vilifying the opposition, I think we detour around these areas of common agreement.
MartiniLush MartiniLush 8 years
I was wondering how many "partial birth abortions" are performed each year, so I googled it. I could only find stats from an NPR article with numbers based on 2000 data. Only 0.2 percent of the 1.3 million abortions believed to be performed that year were "partial birth abortions". It seems that this isn't something that is widely used. But no statistics were kept as to why these were performed - whether they were performed on healthy mothers and babies or whether it was for cases where there was threat to the mother's health or severe infant abnormalities. I wish I had a clearer picture of this part of the debate.
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