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Did Any Of These "Effects" Have Any Effect?

Did Any Of These "Effects" Have Any Effect?

Leading up to the election, talk of the Bradley effect was all over the place — everyone was watching to see whether in the privacy of the voting booth, people would really pull the lever (or fill in the arrow) for the first black president. Then there was talk about the "Obama effect" — people voting for him because of his race rather than his qualifications. Since Barack Obama's decisive victory, neither theory has been thrown around too much, but there's a new effect in town.

This week, Thomas Freidman floated the theory of the "Buffett effect", meaning that older white men told their buddies they would go McCain, but when filling out their ballots, Obama got the votes. The name, of course, refers to Warren Buffett, who may have influenced the affluent community to have faith in bringing America together, despite higher taxes. That, combined with the energy of the youth vote — the children and grandchildren of these men — inspired the change of heart.

While there's something to be said for that, how about the possibility of no effect at all? Just

.

As it turns out, people were honest about who they were planning to vote for which means that all these "effects" may have had no effect at all. In fact, only 19 percent of voters said that race was a factor in their decision, down from twice as many earlier this year, and it doesn't seem like people were lying. While hopefully this is further proof that the election was about finding the right leader for our country, it was still a historical moment for the United States.

Any Obama/Bradley/Buffett effect loses some credibility when the record-breaking youth vote is taken into account. Perhaps it wasn't about what the older population was doing in the booths so much as the youth population actually figuring out where the booth was, and not feeling any pressure to cover up their choice. So what do you think, did any of these catch phrase "effects" affect the election? Or do you have a name for an effect all your own?

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ladychaos ladychaos 7 years
OMG!!!Newsflash!!! I SUPPORTED OBAMA. AND I'M BLACK. OMG!!!I must be racist. But then I thought to myself "eh, maybe I voted for him because I'm a DEMOCRATIC DELEGATE".Damn. Guess I proved Organic wrong.
ladychaos ladychaos 7 years
OMG!!! Newsflash!!! I SUPPORTED OBAMA. AND I'M BLACK. OMG!!! I must be racist. But then I thought to myself "eh, maybe I voted for him because I'm a DEMOCRATIC DELEGATE". Damn. Guess I proved Organic wrong.
snowbunny11 snowbunny11 7 years
I probably say the word probably too much.
snowbunny11 snowbunny11 7 years
You're right, sorry I got so worked up...btw, when I use slightly vulgar language, it's pretty much a term of endearment, I don't do that for many people. :) And people probably shouldn't vote based on ties, probably. My Grandma voted for a third party candidate solely because Obama "doesn't love America enough" and that drove me crazy, so we all get a little judgey on the reasons motivating people to vote a certain way.
snowbunny11 snowbunny11 7 years
You're right, sorry I got so worked up...btw, when I use slightly vulgar language, it's pretty much a term of endearment, I don't do that for many people. :) And people probably shouldn't vote based on ties, probably. My Grandma voted for a third party candidate solely because Obama "doesn't love America enough" and that drove me crazy, so we all get a little judgey on the reasons motivating people to vote a certain way.
organicsugr organicsugr 7 years
Look, Snow, can I call you Snow? I do think that people can vote on any basis they want. That whole black/woman thing you said was very touching.I think you're just a little upset because we agree on about every third thread. Pretty soon it's going to be every other thread.
organicsugr organicsugr 7 years
Look, Snow, can I call you Snow? I do think that people can vote on any basis they want. That whole black/woman thing you said was very touching. I think you're just a little upset because we agree on about every third thread. Pretty soon it's going to be every other thread.
snowbunny11 snowbunny11 7 years
Are you purposely being dense or did you not read my comments? I'll say it AGAIN: Bill Clinton: 86% of African American vote in both elections went to him.Al Gore: 90% of African American vote went to him.John Kerry: 88% of African American vote went to him.Barack Obama: 95% of African American vote went to him.What do all of these men have in common? They're black!!!! Oh wait, no....they're DEMOCRATS. It's hardly shocking that 7% more people found Barack Obama more appealing than John Kerry, and 5% more people found him more appealing than Al Gore. But yeah, black people voting Democrat this year, totally a racial basis. Black people voting Democrat every other year? Oh, must have just been a coincidence. And actually, it's okay to vote on ANY basis one wants to. Seriously, I could vote for John McCain because I liked his ties- it's none of your business. So if some black person DID vote for Barack Obama because it would be nice to have a black person running the country after 200 years of slavery followed by 65 years of Jim Crow laws I think it's none of your f*cking business also. I'm just so interested in hearing white men tell me how I can and cannot vote. Blow me.
snowbunny11 snowbunny11 7 years
Are you purposely being dense or did you not read my comments? I'll say it AGAIN: Bill Clinton: 86% of African American vote in both elections went to him. Al Gore: 90% of African American vote went to him. John Kerry: 88% of African American vote went to him. Barack Obama: 95% of African American vote went to him. What do all of these men have in common? They're black!!!! Oh wait, no....they're DEMOCRATS. It's hardly shocking that 7% more people found Barack Obama more appealing than John Kerry, and 5% more people found him more appealing than Al Gore. But yeah, black people voting Democrat this year, totally a racial basis. Black people voting Democrat every other year? Oh, must have just been a coincidence. And actually, it's okay to vote on ANY basis one wants to. Seriously, I could vote for John McCain because I liked his ties- it's none of your business. So if some black person DID vote for Barack Obama because it would be nice to have a black person running the country after 200 years of slavery followed by 65 years of Jim Crow laws I think it's none of your f*cking business also. I'm just so interested in hearing white men tell me how I can and cannot vote. Blow me.
organicsugr organicsugr 7 years
Yeah, you're right. It's okay to vote on a racial basis.
snowbunny11 snowbunny11 7 years
How would that show anything? The overall voter turnout was higher this year? Are you like on a mission to show black people are racist or something? Like: "I'm going to PROVE that 20 more black people voted for Obama who would have stayed at home if a white person was running! See, black people are so racist too!!" I can see having the first black president elected in the history of the US is not really having quite the moving impact on you that it is on the rest of the country and world. I can't tell you how it feels to be African American and finally have someone other than a white dude in office, but as a woman, I can say that the day we have a credible woman running and elected to the highest office in the land I will certainly do whatever I can to get out the vote. I think this is the point where the white dude should just stfu.
snowbunny11 snowbunny11 7 years
How would that show anything? The overall voter turnout was higher this year? Are you like on a mission to show black people are racist or something? Like: "I'm going to PROVE that 20 more black people voted for Obama who would have stayed at home if a white person was running! See, black people are so racist too!!" I can see having the first black president elected in the history of the US is not really having quite the moving impact on you that it is on the rest of the country and world. I can't tell you how it feels to be African American and finally have someone other than a white dude in office, but as a woman, I can say that the day we have a credible woman running and elected to the highest office in the land I will certainly do whatever I can to get out the vote. I think this is the point where the white dude should just stfu.
UnDave35 UnDave35 7 years
Does anyone know what the gross numbers are for AA voters in '96, 2000, '04, and '08? I'm betting the numbers where a lot larger in '08 than any other year.
snowbunny11 snowbunny11 7 years
90% of African Americans voted for Gore in 2000, 88% voted for Kerry in 2004. I'm pretty sure that black people voting Democratic has nothing to do with race. Bill Clinton got 86% of the African American vote in both elections, so you can see the trend is for African Americans to vote even more strongly Democratic. Also, from 2007 in the primaries: "Sen. Hillary Clinton's lead over Sen. Barack Obama, her chief rival for the Democratic presidential nomination, is growing among African-American voters who are registered Democrats, and particularly among black women, a poll said Wednesday. Sen. Hillary Clinton is the top choice of African-American Democrats, a new poll suggests. Among black registered Democrats overall, Clinton had a 57 percent to 33 percent lead over Obama." http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/10/17/poll.blacks.democrats/index.html Yes, those African-Americans, why do they always have to be so racist? Again, I SERIOUSLY cannot believe we're having this discussion.
snowbunny11 snowbunny11 7 years
90% of African Americans voted for Gore in 2000, 88% voted for Kerry in 2004. I'm pretty sure that black people voting Democratic has nothing to do with race. Bill Clinton got 86% of the African American vote in both elections, so you can see the trend is for African Americans to vote even more strongly Democratic. Also, from 2007 in the primaries: "Sen. Hillary Clinton's lead over Sen. Barack Obama, her chief rival for the Democratic presidential nomination, is growing among African-American voters who are registered Democrats, and particularly among black women, a poll said Wednesday.Sen. Hillary Clinton is the top choice of African-American Democrats, a new poll suggests.Among black registered Democrats overall, Clinton had a 57 percent to 33 percent lead over Obama."http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/10/17/poll.blacks.democrats/index.htmlYes, those African-Americans, why do they always have to be so racist? Again, I SERIOUSLY cannot believe we're having this discussion.
organicsugr organicsugr 7 years
If 95% of white people voted for McCain, I would certainly be suspicious it was race-based.
snowbunny11 snowbunny11 7 years
Er, don't black people overwhelmingly vote Democrat anyway? And are all of the white people who voted for McCain racist? Are we SERIOUSLY having this conversation? Before the election, race was not a factor to me when I was voting. But since the election, it's one of the main things I think about when I think of Obama, like how freaking moving it is to have a black president. The image of Obama accepting on the stage is just...amazing. I think that's why some people feel this can be uniting. Even if you didn't really agree on the issues, you might still be moved at having a black president. And also, I mean, maybe you don't agree with Obama on the issues, but you can still give him a fair shake at being president. As much we love to argue on Citizen, there really is no formulaic "right" or "wrong" answer when it comes to the issues, so it's possible that even a policy a conservative disagreed with may have a good impact. I kind of agree with Bush on some immigration issues for example...at least giving some sort of amnesty or work-program.
snowbunny11 snowbunny11 7 years
Er, don't black people overwhelmingly vote Democrat anyway? And are all of the white people who voted for McCain racist? Are we SERIOUSLY having this conversation?Before the election, race was not a factor to me when I was voting. But since the election, it's one of the main things I think about when I think of Obama, like how freaking moving it is to have a black president. The image of Obama accepting on the stage is just...amazing. I think that's why some people feel this can be uniting. Even if you didn't really agree on the issues, you might still be moved at having a black president. And also, I mean, maybe you don't agree with Obama on the issues, but you can still give him a fair shake at being president. As much we love to argue on Citizen, there really is no formulaic "right" or "wrong" answer when it comes to the issues, so it's possible that even a policy a conservative disagreed with may have a good impact. I kind of agree with Bush on some immigration issues for example...at least giving some sort of amnesty or work-program.
Shadowdamage Shadowdamage 7 years
"When over 95% of black people, who voted, voted for Obama, I think it's fair to say there was some serious racism at play." ..OR... a huge segment of the American population for the first time in history got a chance to see their demographic reach the national stage, and though they would be comfortable with the issues as they stood, were doubly moved and motivated to vote in record numbers because they were excited and renewed in feeling they were part of a political process which had basically ignored them for the entire length of US history.
Shadowdamage Shadowdamage 7 years
"When over 95% of black people, who voted, voted for Obama, I think it's fair to say there was some serious racism at play."..OR... a huge segment of the American population for the first time in history got a chance to see their demographic reach the national stage, and though they would be comfortable with the issues as they stood, were doubly moved and motivated to vote in record numbers because they were excited and renewed in feeling they were part of a political process which had basically ignored them for the entire length of US history.
shoogerbooger shoogerbooger 7 years
Seriously though, we could argue all day about racism, sexism, etc. Some people did vote for Obama just because he is black, but some people also only voted McCain because Obama was black and I am sure that there are women that voted for McCain just because he had Palin on the ticket. It doesn't matter anymore though. IT'S OVER! The best candidate won. Let's all move on...
shoogerbooger shoogerbooger 7 years
Black people are not racist for voting Obama- they are smart :) I like what PinkNC said "Voting for the right person effect"
organicsugr organicsugr 7 years
When over 95% of black people, who voted, voted for Obama, I think it's fair to say there was some serious racism at play.
Roarman Roarman 7 years
I didn't mean he didn't inspire anyone either, but not in the way Obama did.
True-Song True-Song 7 years
I just realized...I didn't mean that sarcastically. I didn't mean, like, I'm sure there's at least one lame-o somewhere inspired by McCain. I meant that even though he wasn't drawing record screaming, crying crowds, I'm sure there's a good number of people who felt inspired by McCain.
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