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Do You Want Your Legislature to Legalize Gay Marriage?

Today was a big day for gay marriage proponents. Vermont's legislature overrode the governor's veto to legalize same-sex marriage. And in Washington DC, the district's council voted to recognize same-sex marriages issued in other states. The council will hold a final vote next month.

But not everyone's on board. A new poll out of New York state shows that only 41 percent of the state's voters support same-sex marriage.

Many people have objected to less-democratic courts inserting themselves in the same-sex marriage debate. The argument goes like this: if a state wants to legalize gay marriage, let the democratically elected representatives or the people decide not a handful of isolated judges. Do you think it's time for your state lawmakers to cut out the courts and follow Vermont's lead?

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Carrie-Sue Carrie-Sue 7 years
"I also know that God says "judge not lest ye be judged" and Jesus says 'let he who is without sin cast the first stone'."That particular scripture is from one of the gospels. A woman caught in the act of adultery was about to be stoned to death. Jesus stopped them with that saying. Then everyone left and it was just Him and the woman. He looked up to see she was still there and asked "Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?""No one, sir.""Then neither do I condemn you. Go now, and sin no more."(I had to look that one up to make sure I had it right...John 8, in case you want to check it out for yourself."Yes, Jesus said we shouldn't "cast stones" as it were, but that doesn't give us leave to do whatever we please. The last line proves it: <b>Go and sin no more</b>. Sin is still sin.
Carrie-Sue Carrie-Sue 7 years
"I also know that God says "judge not lest ye be judged" and Jesus says 'let he who is without sin cast the first stone'." That particular scripture is from one of the gospels. A woman caught in the act of adultery was about to be stoned to death. Jesus stopped them with that saying. Then everyone left and it was just Him and the woman. He looked up to see she was still there and asked "Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?" "No one, sir." "Then neither do I condemn you. Go now, and sin no more." (I had to look that one up to make sure I had it right...John 8, in case you want to check it out for yourself." Yes, Jesus said we shouldn't "cast stones" as it were, but that doesn't give us leave to do whatever we please. The last line proves it: Go and sin no more. Sin is still sin.
UnDave35 UnDave35 7 years
"I also hear that letting same sex couples get married would hurt the sanctity of marriage...what about all the divorces that happen everyday in heterosexual marriages?? Doesn't that hurt the sanctity of marriage?? "To answer your question, Yes it does. But just because the rampant divorce rate hurts the sanctity doesn't mean we should just add something else that hurts the sanctity. I'd rather we worked on making marriage and divorce more difficult. I still maintain that the best way to give same sex couples the legal status that they want, the government needs to stop recognizing all marriages. Make all couplings Civil Unions, which can be granted by either a member of the clergy, or a judge. Marriage would only be granted by members of the clergy. That way, the religious right keeps the term "marriage" sacred, and sam sex couples get to enjoy the legal ramifications of such a joining.
UnDave35 UnDave35 7 years
"I also hear that letting same sex couples get married would hurt the sanctity of marriage...what about all the divorces that happen everyday in heterosexual marriages?? Doesn't that hurt the sanctity of marriage?? " To answer your question, Yes it does. But just because the rampant divorce rate hurts the sanctity doesn't mean we should just add something else that hurts the sanctity. I'd rather we worked on making marriage and divorce more difficult. I still maintain that the best way to give same sex couples the legal status that they want, the government needs to stop recognizing all marriages. Make all couplings Civil Unions, which can be granted by either a member of the clergy, or a judge. Marriage would only be granted by members of the clergy. That way, the religious right keeps the term "marriage" sacred, and sam sex couples get to enjoy the legal ramifications of such a joining.
Babyjade82 Babyjade82 7 years
I feel like the main hang up about gay marriage, is primarily based on religious beliefs. I have heard time and time again, that the Bible condemns homosexuality. That may be true, in fact, I believe that is in Leviticus somewhere. I also know that God says "judge not lest ye be judged" and Jesus says "let he who is without sin cast the first stone". I have my beliefs about God and the Bible, but that isn't the topic here. the point is, God is supposed to be "the father" right? Well, all of us are children and some of us have kids of our own. I think we all know how much it bugs our parents (or how much it bothers us, if we have kids) when we (or our kids) tried to be the parent to our/their siblings. I know it drives me up the wall when my 3 year old tells her sister she's gonna put her in time out or spank her. Where am I headed with this? Well, God is supposed to be a parent and we're his kids...do you really think he wants you bossing around your brothers and sisters? At the end of times, do you think God is going to tell you "good job for tattling and handing out damnation on my behalf" I doubt it.My personal belief is that there is absolutely 100% nothing wrong with being Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual, or Transgendered. It is NOT a choice, and it is certainly not something that can be cured. I have heard that "maybe being gay isn't a choice, but acting on it is" Sure, to an extent. However, people are sexual creatures by nature. There are a select few in the human race who can remain 100% celibate You can't expect all homosexuals to remain celibate their whole lives! That isn't fair. For a lot of them, the idea of sleeping with a member or the opposite sex is just as repulsive and "unnatural" as sleeping with a member of the same sex is to some heterosexuals. The main point is, if there are homosexuals out there engaging in sexual activity, how does it affect you?? It doesn't! Beyond "grossing you out" which is your problem not theirs.I also hear that letting same sex couples get married would hurt the sanctity of marriage...what about all the divorces that happen everyday in heterosexual marriages?? Doesn't that hurt the sanctity of marriage?? The whole definition of a marriage thing is based on a definition of marriage according to the bible....which needless to say not everyone lives by. So, if the problem is what God defines as a marriage doesn't include same sex couples, why does God need to be included. That is to say, people get married outside of churches EVERYDAY if they so choose, by someone who isn't a minister, priest, rabbi or what have you. The government still recognizes them. Church and state are supposed to be separate. So why not leave it up to an individual church to decide if the want to recognize/marry gay couples??? Why can't they be married by a judge, mayor, or whoever and leave churches out of it? It honestly makes no sense to tie God up in the equation when he can easily be removed from it. I was married in a courthouse...by the Douglas County Clerk....I have a marriage license, and if I were to want my marriage to end (which I would never do) I would have to get a divorce...I didn't acknowledge God during the "ceremony" but I am no less married than anybody else. Churches decide all the time who is worthy of being married...Catholics will not allow someone who is divorced to be remarried in the church, and you can ask anybody of the LDS faith if all Mormons get married in the temple...they'll tell you "no, you have to be temple worthy". So why not leave the decision of who gets married by/in the church up to them.It is so ridiculous that you can have a same sex couple that has been together for decades, one of them is dying and the other has no rights to hospital visitation if the family doesn't want them there. For example, look at the above scenario...currently, in that situation if the next of kin who hasn't even seen the ill person for 20 years, comes in and says "he would want to just let nature take it's course if he stops breathing, don't revive him" but his partner of 20 years knows for a fact that that is an inaccurate statement, the hospital would honor his family's request, not his partner's. Does that seem fair?? Anymore these days people are starting to come around a little and considering the option of civil unions...(check out my other note courtesy of Equality Moab) the point is, that is just the government's way of not totally pissing off conservatives while somewhat appeasing the GLBT community. That is not a fair solution. It still treats same sex couples as second class citizens, and cheats them out of a lot of the benefits that married couples have. Why shouldn't a same sex couple be able to introduce their spouse as their husband/wife? There is still such a stigma about homosexuality, and it's just sad. There are just as many promiscuous heterosexuals as homosexuals, there are just as many stds being passed around in the straight community as in the gay community, there are just as many gay kids coming out of straight households, as straight kids coming out of gay households.I fail to see how allowing same sex couples to be married is going to hurt anyone....but I guess America wouldn't be America if it weren't posing as the land of the free while denying some their basic civil rights, would it? Carrying on a long standing tradition of interpreting the constitution so it suits our ideals instead of upholding it word for word....all men created equal...well that meant all men except African Americans...now we're applying it homosexuals. Nobody can argue that our country wasn't founded on good intentions, but man cannot live on good intentions alone. Homosexuality existed back when the constitution was written, if they didn't want them included they would have said so. If they wanted America to be ruled by the Bible, they would have stuck that in there somewhere, they didn't. This country will NEVER be a country united if we continue to stand divided. Equal means equal. We are all entitled to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness...that includes pursuing happiness with a member of the same sex.
Babyjade82 Babyjade82 7 years
I feel like the main hang up about gay marriage, is primarily based on religious beliefs. I have heard time and time again, that the Bible condemns homosexuality. That may be true, in fact, I believe that is in Leviticus somewhere. I also know that God says "judge not lest ye be judged" and Jesus says "let he who is without sin cast the first stone". I have my beliefs about God and the Bible, but that isn't the topic here. the point is, God is supposed to be "the father" right? Well, all of us are children and some of us have kids of our own. I think we all know how much it bugs our parents (or how much it bothers us, if we have kids) when we (or our kids) tried to be the parent to our/their siblings. I know it drives me up the wall when my 3 year old tells her sister she's gonna put her in time out or spank her. Where am I headed with this? Well, God is supposed to be a parent and we're his kids...do you really think he wants you bossing around your brothers and sisters? At the end of times, do you think God is going to tell you "good job for tattling and handing out damnation on my behalf" I doubt it. My personal belief is that there is absolutely 100% nothing wrong with being Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual, or Transgendered. It is NOT a choice, and it is certainly not something that can be cured. I have heard that "maybe being gay isn't a choice, but acting on it is" Sure, to an extent. However, people are sexual creatures by nature. There are a select few in the human race who can remain 100% celibate You can't expect all homosexuals to remain celibate their whole lives! That isn't fair. For a lot of them, the idea of sleeping with a member or the opposite sex is just as repulsive and "unnatural" as sleeping with a member of the same sex is to some heterosexuals. The main point is, if there are homosexuals out there engaging in sexual activity, how does it affect you?? It doesn't! Beyond "grossing you out" which is your problem not theirs. I also hear that letting same sex couples get married would hurt the sanctity of marriage...what about all the divorces that happen everyday in heterosexual marriages?? Doesn't that hurt the sanctity of marriage?? The whole definition of a marriage thing is based on a definition of marriage according to the bible....which needless to say not everyone lives by. So, if the problem is what God defines as a marriage doesn't include same sex couples, why does God need to be included. That is to say, people get married outside of churches EVERYDAY if they so choose, by someone who isn't a minister, priest, rabbi or what have you. The government still recognizes them. Church and state are supposed to be separate. So why not leave it up to an individual church to decide if the want to recognize/marry gay couples??? Why can't they be married by a judge, mayor, or whoever and leave churches out of it? It honestly makes no sense to tie God up in the equation when he can easily be removed from it. I was married in a courthouse...by the Douglas County Clerk....I have a marriage license, and if I were to want my marriage to end (which I would never do) I would have to get a divorce...I didn't acknowledge God during the "ceremony" but I am no less married than anybody else. Churches decide all the time who is worthy of being married...Catholics will not allow someone who is divorced to be remarried in the church, and you can ask anybody of the LDS faith if all Mormons get married in the temple...they'll tell you "no, you have to be temple worthy". So why not leave the decision of who gets married by/in the church up to them. It is so ridiculous that you can have a same sex couple that has been together for decades, one of them is dying and the other has no rights to hospital visitation if the family doesn't want them there. For example, look at the above scenario...currently, in that situation if the next of kin who hasn't even seen the ill person for 20 years, comes in and says "he would want to just let nature take it's course if he stops breathing, don't revive him" but his partner of 20 years knows for a fact that that is an inaccurate statement, the hospital would honor his family's request, not his partner's. Does that seem fair?? Anymore these days people are starting to come around a little and considering the option of civil unions...(check out my other note courtesy of Equality Moab) the point is, that is just the government's way of not totally pissing off conservatives while somewhat appeasing the GLBT community. That is not a fair solution. It still treats same sex couples as second class citizens, and cheats them out of a lot of the benefits that married couples have. Why shouldn't a same sex couple be able to introduce their spouse as their husband/wife? There is still such a stigma about homosexuality, and it's just sad. There are just as many promiscuous heterosexuals as homosexuals, there are just as many stds being passed around in the straight community as in the gay community, there are just as many gay kids coming out of straight households, as straight kids coming out of gay households. I fail to see how allowing same sex couples to be married is going to hurt anyone....but I guess America wouldn't be America if it weren't posing as the land of the free while denying some their basic civil rights, would it? Carrying on a long standing tradition of interpreting the constitution so it suits our ideals instead of upholding it word for word....all men created equal...well that meant all men except African Americans...now we're applying it homosexuals. Nobody can argue that our country wasn't founded on good intentions, but man cannot live on good intentions alone. Homosexuality existed back when the constitution was written, if they didn't want them included they would have said so. If they wanted America to be ruled by the Bible, they would have stuck that in there somewhere, they didn't. This country will NEVER be a country united if we continue to stand divided. Equal means equal. We are all entitled to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness...that includes pursuing happiness with a member of the same sex.
bluesarahlou bluesarahlou 7 years
Me either Steph.
bluesarahlou bluesarahlou 7 years
Me either Steph.
stephley stephley 7 years
I just can't imagine saying I like my friends, but I just don't value their love relationships.
JessieSP JessieSP 7 years
I like my gay friends and believe in their rights, but strangely I want to say no.And I really hate that photo up there, it's just wrong.
JessieSP JessieSP 7 years
I like my gay friends and believe in their rights, but strangely I want to say no. And I really hate that photo up there, it's just wrong.
Jillness Jillness 7 years
"Every time someone talks about marriage being sacred, holy, a covenant, etc., I think, then, that you ought to be opposed to atheists getting married."Exactly. I am not talking about anyone here specifically, but sometimes I feel like people just search for reasons to justify taking someone's rights away, and ultimately it comes down to the prejudice that they don't feel gay people have "real" families. It breaks my heart. The thing that frustrates me the most, is that I can't convey to people in terms adequate enough to describe the love, teamwork, warmth and support I feel when I go into my gay friend's home. I look at the papers from the PTA meetings, and I see the notes about soccer practice, and I see the pictures from the trips to the aquarium, and the well worn Bible sitting in the living room next to the church bulletin, and I think to myself, how in the world can people think this is a bad thing? How can people try to justify trying to keep parents from children and soul mates from partnerships? And people can try to say that with or without marriage gay couples can do these things...but the fact is that health insurance laws, estate regulations, adoption laws, so many things are <b> legally </b> affected by marriage. It has worked its way into way too many laws. These <b> families</b> are being affected in profound ways that people can't bring themselves to think about. Think about not being allowed into a hospital room to see your dying partner because your state doesn't recognize gay marriage or civil unions. This is happening thousands of times over as the years pass.
Jillness Jillness 7 years
"Every time someone talks about marriage being sacred, holy, a covenant, etc., I think, then, that you ought to be opposed to atheists getting married." Exactly. I am not talking about anyone here specifically, but sometimes I feel like people just search for reasons to justify taking someone's rights away, and ultimately it comes down to the prejudice that they don't feel gay people have "real" families. It breaks my heart. The thing that frustrates me the most, is that I can't convey to people in terms adequate enough to describe the love, teamwork, warmth and support I feel when I go into my gay friend's home. I look at the papers from the PTA meetings, and I see the notes about soccer practice, and I see the pictures from the trips to the aquarium, and the well worn Bible sitting in the living room next to the church bulletin, and I think to myself, how in the world can people think this is a bad thing? How can people try to justify trying to keep parents from children and soul mates from partnerships? And people can try to say that with or without marriage gay couples can do these things...but the fact is that health insurance laws, estate regulations, adoption laws, so many things are legally affected by marriage. It has worked its way into way too many laws. These families are being affected in profound ways that people can't bring themselves to think about. Think about not being allowed into a hospital room to see your dying partner because your state doesn't recognize gay marriage or civil unions. This is happening thousands of times over as the years pass.
princess_eab princess_eab 7 years
it's time. the tide is turning. my sister and her husband are anti-gay marriage and it hurts me deeply, because our uncle was gay and died young - it's as if they would have been standing in the way of his rights and that's horrible. But I'm relieved to know from stats that they (under 30) are in the deep minority on the issue in the U.S.
StolzeMama StolzeMama 7 years
Not the word marriage but the legislatures should make sure they have ALL of the rights of those that are married. The state should not be involved in religious matters. They should ONLY perform civil unions at a court house. It should be EXACTLY like las vegas does for their marriages currently. You have to go to the courthouse to actually be unioned in their state. The marriage occurs outside of the courthouse.
kikidawn kikidawn 7 years
Citizen, I would have most definitely bought one of those prints :)... assuming they were for sell lol
kikidawn kikidawn 7 years
Citizen, I would have most definitely bought one of those prints :) ... assuming they were for sell lol
Michelann Michelann 7 years
Haha, I love that you all changed your pictures! I actually considered making it my facebook picture but my childhood Easter photos are much cuter ;)
tiabia tiabia 7 years
Very cool Citizen!!!
tiabia tiabia 7 years
Very cool Citizen!!!
harmonyfrance harmonyfrance 7 years
Love it Citizen! Thanks!
harmonyfrance harmonyfrance 7 years
Love it Citizen! Thanks!
CitizenSugar CitizenSugar 7 years
Fun to see you guys love the photo so much! I took it outside SF City Hall, on the first day they were issuing gender-free marriage licenses. Of course, that's when same-sex marriage was legal in CA!
harmonyfrance harmonyfrance 7 years
LOVE IT!!!!
harmonyfrance harmonyfrance 7 years
LOVE IT!!!!
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