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Does Obama's Shift on Offshore Drilling Make You Shift Too?

Does Obama's Shift on Offshore Drilling Make You Shift Too?

Dragging his feet this weekend, Barack Obama changed his tune on offshore drilling. Obama said he would be willing to support drilling in the Gulf of Mexico, in exchange for a comprehensive alternative energy plan which would include ending oil company tax breaks, and extending tax credits to those searching for alternative fuels.

Explaining his shift, Obama said: "What I will not do, and this has always been my position, is to support a plan that suggests this drilling is the answer to our energy problems. If we've got a plan on the table that I think meets the goals that America has to set and there are some things in there that I don't like, then obviously that's something that I would consider because that's the nature of how we govern in a democracy."

Since the majority of you said you opposed offshore drilling last time I asked, I'm curious if Obama's plan sounds more appealing to you.

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True-Song True-Song 8 years
Well put, rabidmoon.
rabidmoon rabidmoon 8 years
*opposed to
rabidmoon rabidmoon 8 years
Personally I am opposed for more drilling because I see it as a dead-end road, a bandage for an open, gushing wound, so to speak. But I withhold from crying foul on the issue where Obama is concerned because: 1)We could do far worse than have a president open-minded and articulate enough to consider all points of an argument, and show himself open to discourse and compromise when appropriate. 2)Its very obvious that within this context, Obama hardly said "woo, drill it, drill it good!", and was in fact responding to a hypothetical question.
hypnoticmix hypnoticmix 8 years
"more effective than the original plan" Sorry I was referring to the original off shore drilling plan that the Republicans were pushing, not Sen. Obama's. I understand your reasoning jillness and you're completely right that compromise is a necessary tool of governing. It is not the act of compromise that I take issue with it is (what) is being compromised and we each have to answer for our selves what are we willing to compromise. Me well I've drawn my line in the sand when it comes to off shore drilling but that doesn't mean that there aren't other thing that can be compromised.
Roarman Roarman 8 years
Obama's response was to a question posed by a reporter asking what he would do if as President a bill came across his desk that had components in it that he did not totally agree with, such as off shore drilling. His response was that he would consider it only if it did not make off shore drilling the answer to the country's energy crisis and that he understood that as the leader of a democracy he might have to compromise in order to get things done. There is no shift in his feelings on off shore drilling, he was answering a very specific question and his answer is on par with what he has been saying all along, that off shore drilling is not the answer to our oil problems.
True-Song True-Song 8 years
I agree. Let's retire the f-f word.
Jillness Jillness 8 years
"Like all compromises, this one has its drawbacks," Obama said Monday in Lansing, Michigan. "It includes a limited amount of new offshore drilling, and while I still don't believe that's a particularly meaningful short-term or long-term solution, I am willing to consider it if it's necessary to actually pass a comprehensive plan. "I am not interested in making the perfect the enemy of the good -- particularly since there's so much good in this compromise that would actually reduce our dependence on foreign oil." The "Gang of 10" includes Conrad, D-North Dakota; Saxby Chambliss, R-Georgia; John Thune, R-South Dakota; Lindsey Graham, R-South Carolina; Blanche Lincoln, D-Arkansas; Mary Landrieu, D-Louisiana; Johnny Isakson, R-Georgia; Bob Corker, R-Tennessee; Mark Pryor, D-Arkansas; and Ben Nelson, D-Nebraska.
Jillness Jillness 8 years
The major components of the proposal include: Expanding drilling opportunities off the East coast and Gulf of Mexico, which pleases Republicans Keeping a ban on drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge in Alaska, a concession to Democrats Repealing a tax break for oil companies that Democrats have long called for Putting billions toward producing more alternative-fuel vehicles, in part paid for by the oil and gas industry (I also read that it requires the individual states to agree as well, and excludes the Pacific Ocean).
Jillness Jillness 8 years
I agree Lula. I posted the link to the CNN article that points out what the Group of 10s plan is, but it was flagged. Yo Citizen, help a girl out!
lula29 lula29 8 years
Jillness, you always bring the logic! Thanks! I'm so tired of the word flip-flopper. Can we let it die already? Here we have a President who "stays the course" even when dead wrong. I'm voting Obama because he's willing to change his mind and try to compromise.
Jillness Jillness 8 years
"Some new drilling will do nothing, which makes the new compromise IMO no more effective than the original plan" Obama's original plan didn't include drilling, but the Republican plans never include funding for renewable energy (which McCain has voted against repeatedly). This compromise, if you look at the proposal of the group of 10, gives the Dems SO MUCH of what they want...most importantly funding for renewable energy. "Why can't the compromise be stop meddling in the Middle East and starting wars so that the price of oil can go down again? Now that's a good compromise. I agree, but that opportunity flew the coop at the begining of the Iraq war. We can't go back in time. We NEED to fund renewable energy NOW. We are already suffering from dragging our feet in the past. CNN has a good article that details the plan put forth by the Group of 10.
hypnoticmix hypnoticmix 8 years
As for the compromise he's offering (some new drilling) it's ridiculously worthless. Some new drilling will do nothing, which makes the new compromise IMO no more effective than the original plan and that is simply to give the constituency a false peace of mind that a genuine remedy is being applied to the situation. In order to make any bit of difference we would have to go all out drilling and drill like no body's business if we wanted to make any bit of difference. I agree with compromise but why does the compromise have to be something so precious and irreplaceable? Why can't the compromise be stop meddling in the Middle East and starting wars so that the price of oil can go down again? Now that's a good compromise. The price of oil didn't go up just for the hell of it. It went up because of all the turmoil we've instigated by invading Iraq and getting Iran’s panties all in a bunch because all of a sudden we've surrounded them on three sides destabilizing their peace of mind and the oil market.
Jillness Jillness 8 years
And I have to point out... Alaskan Gov. Palin (R), has praised Obama's energy plan. (She is also a potential McCain VP pick). There are so many technologies that need funding. Republicans traditionally reject providing this funding. By throwing in a little bit of something they can agree with, Obama has put forth a plan that actually has potential to be carried out.
mrscaru mrscaru 8 years
Obama's flip-flopping doesn't surprise me. That's why I didn't vote for him.
Jillness Jillness 8 years
*cough* post got flagged *cough* "By mocking Sen. Obama’s point he provided yet another barrier for people to make a positive life style change for them selves, the economy and their car" I agree. Things like this, when McCain and the RNC take something that IS good for the American people, and try and make it seem "bad", it makes me not trust them. Keeping tires inflated does help(3-4%), and so it seems like he is trying to sink the idea just because it came from the Democrats. I believe it is the RNC who are selling "Obama's energy plan" tire gauges as a fund raiser.
Jillness Jillness 8 years
http://www.lansingstatejournal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080804/ELECTIONS01/80804004 Here is the text of the speech. ;)
Jillness Jillness 8 years
" I think the shift was motivated by polls and not by conscience." I don't agree with this at all. He was responding to a proposal put out by a bi-partisan effort. If it didn't include something he didn't like, it wouldn't be called compromise. We NEED money invested in new technology. If the only way we are going to get Republicans to agree to that is to allow offshore drilling, then that is something we have to work with. There is a reason too little has been done the past 20 years...because people are so concerned about having it all their way that no one can agree on anything. People talk about bi-partisan efforts, but then balk when it comes time to actually find a place of common ground. Obama's energy plan is VERY aggressive and very productive. I feel like this is one tiny point, and his policies as a whole are very impressive.
Jillness Jillness 8 years
" I think the shift was motivated by polls and not by conscience."I don't agree with this at all. He was responding to a proposal put out by a bi-partisan effort. If it didn't include something he didn't like, it wouldn't be called compromise. We NEED money invested in new technology. If the only way we are going to get Republicans to agree to that is to allow offshore drilling, then that is something we have to work with. There is a reason too little has been done the past 20 years...because people are so concerned about having it all their way that no one can agree on anything. <b> People talk about bi-partisan efforts, but then balk when it comes time to actually find a place of common ground. </b>Obama's energy plan is VERY aggressive and very productive. I feel like this is one tiny point, and his policies as a whole are very impressive.
stephley stephley 8 years
He didn't have a change of heart. Obama said he would consider a plan that included off-shore drilling if it was necessary to get an energy package passed. He did not embrace offshore drilling, he is not now pitching it as a viable option or in any way a solution to our problems.
bento-barista bento-barista 8 years
While I do not like the idea of offshore drilling, I recognize that it is with great caution that we must rely so heavily on foreign sources of energy, and that we may not have any other choice but drill ourselves. Also, as much as I like Sen. Obama, I worry that this apparent changed of heart might be more contributed to his desire to secure more votes now that we are in the home stretch, than an actual change of opinion on the issue.
jenintx jenintx 8 years
Thanks, hypno. I like to think I'm contributing something logical every now and then :)I've been reading up on this morning's "gas price dip" and they are attributing some of it to the fact that Obama would be willing to partake in offshore drilling. Despite his motivation for changing his stance, if just saying that could cause gas prices to go down b/c speculators (who have been causing the gas increase in the first place) are saying the supply will go up, then at least something good will come out of it. And who's to say that by the time McCain or Obama even takes office that we will need offshore drilling? Gas has gone down more than 40 cents a gallon here from its highest point til now (3.57 is the cheapest here as of yesterday)...by Jan. 2009, it could be "reasonable" again.
jenintx jenintx 8 years
Thanks, hypno. I like to think I'm contributing something logical every now and then :) I've been reading up on this morning's "gas price dip" and they are attributing some of it to the fact that Obama would be willing to partake in offshore drilling. Despite his motivation for changing his stance, if just saying that could cause gas prices to go down b/c speculators (who have been causing the gas increase in the first place) are saying the supply will go up, then at least something good will come out of it. And who's to say that by the time McCain or Obama even takes office that we will need offshore drilling? Gas has gone down more than 40 cents a gallon here from its highest point til now (3.57 is the cheapest here as of yesterday)...by Jan. 2009, it could be "reasonable" again.
cmill38 cmill38 8 years
I'm glad he's open to shifting to the idea of responsible exploration. however, it scares me because what else will he change his mind on and then change it back again.
hypnoticmix hypnoticmix 8 years
Good point jenintx.
hypnoticmix hypnoticmix 8 years
Good point jenintx.
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