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Double Trouble? Israel Might Punish Terrorists' Families

Double Trouble? Israel Might Punish Terrorists' Families

Recent and shocking attacks by East Jerusalem Palestinians has inspired Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert to call for tough action against the families of terrorists.

Hoping to tie the victims' fates to the fate of a terrorist's family, some Israeli officials want to strip the families of their state benefits, or even demolish their homes. One proposal would revoke identity permits or citizenship of those actively affiliated with terrorist organizations, thus cutting off family benefits as well.

Prime Minister thinks these consequences will deter future terrorists, but I think it sounds like a way to create more animosity and thus more violent attacks, especially the call for house demolition. Will this make terrorists think about their families before they act, or compound the problem making reconciliation more elusive?

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jerusalemjudy jerusalemjudy 7 years
A much better deterrent would be to just announce that 20 Jews will move into the neighborhood for every one terrorist found.
snowysakurasky snowysakurasky 7 years
well, anything to deter terrorists i guess. anyways, the families would probably just end up harbored with relatives or friends. people that are killing themselves might not care too much though! i think its fair to say, we do not understand well how their minds work. it is very wasteful to 'demolish' the homes, are they for real with that?
snowysakurasky snowysakurasky 7 years
well, anything to deter terrorists i guess. anyways, the families would probably just end up harbored with relatives or friends. people that are killing themselves might not care too much though! i think its fair to say, we do not understand well how their minds work.it is very wasteful to 'demolish' the homes, are they for real with that?
MartiniLush MartiniLush 7 years
Exactly, zeze - they already do this, and it has only served to make things worse, why would they expand doing this and think it would help???
MartiniLush MartiniLush 7 years
Exactly, zeze - they already do this, and it has only served to make things worse, why would they expand doing this and think it would help???
zeze zeze 7 years
Israel already does that, I don't understand this? I've read plenty of news where houses were demolished b/c it was on "Israel land" or the family had links to terrorism. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_demolition_in_the_Israeli-Palestinian_conflict shows a chart since 2004 and I've known about this method since the 90s - no one talks about it here b/c Israel is an ally.IMO, this is atrocious, no one with any sense of human rights should condone this. The Israel-Palestine conflict is a huge one, people are dying and killing on both sides, just b/c we only get half the story and one side calls itself an army doesn't make what they do not terrorism - in fact this type of action from Israel has only made more attacks, brothers and sisters knowing the oppression they live under, knowing the turmoil that surrounds them and knowing that b/c of what their older sibling did their house will be demolished with their parents and younger siblings thrown into the streets or worse if they refuse to leave - you tell me what those other siblings will do, what their cousins and friends and neighbors will do!This is just more terrorism and violence from Israel but in a package that makes it look somewhat legal.
zeze zeze 7 years
Israel already does that, I don't understand this? I've read plenty of news where houses were demolished b/c it was on "Israel land" or the family had links to terrorism. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_demolition_in_the_Israeli-Palestinian_conflict shows a chart since 2004 and I've known about this method since the 90s - no one talks about it here b/c Israel is an ally. IMO, this is atrocious, no one with any sense of human rights should condone this. The Israel-Palestine conflict is a huge one, people are dying and killing on both sides, just b/c we only get half the story and one side calls itself an army doesn't make what they do not terrorism - in fact this type of action from Israel has only made more attacks, brothers and sisters knowing the oppression they live under, knowing the turmoil that surrounds them and knowing that b/c of what their older sibling did their house will be demolished with their parents and younger siblings thrown into the streets or worse if they refuse to leave - you tell me what those other siblings will do, what their cousins and friends and neighbors will do! This is just more terrorism and violence from Israel but in a package that makes it look somewhat legal.
UnDave35 UnDave35 7 years
But let's look at the parents who literally prepare their children to be terrorists through their outlook or membership. Those parents are directly responsible for what their children become.
stephley stephley 7 years
Dave, then we'd have juries or public servants determining who was a good parent, when 'doing more to help' is enough then serving out punishment to those who fall short. There'd have to be a written set of parenting rules to be followed, otherwise anyone charged as a bad parent would claim they didn't know what a 'good' parent does. We would have to detail the minimum 'help' the government would deem acceptable. And we'd have to redefine 'personal responsibility'.
UnDave35 UnDave35 7 years
I disagree. I am thinking that this is an area where we will have to agree to disagree.
Jazz-Z Jazz-Z 7 years
You can't control irrational people no matter how much love and help you try to give them.
Jazz-Z Jazz-Z 7 years
You can't control irrational people no matter how much love and help you try to give them.
UnDave35 UnDave35 7 years
I would punish her family for not doing more to help her. It sounds to me like she is very hurt, and people who are hurt tend to lash out at the things they know can take the abuse. That's why you yell at your best friend when your boss gives you extra work.
raciccarone raciccarone 7 years
I believe when you remove someone from their political voice in a place of wretched poverty while perpetually under attack, you're going to have this problem. Now, that's not to say that some suicide bombers come from good homes, but the idea of making civilians your targets comes from a place without hope of affecting any sort of change. Even Osama Bin Laden uses Palestine as his #1 reason for attacking the US. Why? Because everyone who is powerless sees that as their beacon of symbolic collective misery. If we helped give the Palestinians their own nation, we would make Al Qaeda, as a political force in the Middle East, irrelevant.
Jazz-Z Jazz-Z 7 years
Associate Professor Richard Pape, from the University of Chicago, produced a book called Dying to Win - The Strategic Logic of Suicide Terrorism. And he states: "Suicide terrorists are not mainly depressed, lonely individuals on the margins of society. I've studied 462 suicide terrorists from around the world since 1980. Few fit the standard stereotype of a depressed, lonely individual on the margins of society. Half of those 462 are secular and therefore not religious fanatics" "...What we have evidence for time and again across the spectrum is that they are deeply angered by military policies, especially foreign combat troops on territory that they prize and that they believe they have no other means to change those policies." So it sounds like half were not religious fanatics but just tired of military policies. I read once where many suicide bombers do it for the money for their families and in that case I think this option might work, but not all suicide bombers have the same agenda. On the flip side, being from Utah, I know a woman who was raised in a strick Mormon upbriging where you are taught to love one another, be kind to your neighbors, etc. Her parents worked in the temple and she has six siblings with brothers who went on missions. Five of her siblings still practice Mormonism, but after she went through a difficult divorce after 25 years of marriage, and after she had her family say a prayer for her in the temple that the judge would be fair, her philandering, sexually addicted husband got almost everything. Then she not only stopped believing in the church, but she became a bitterly active anti-mormon. If she were to start protests and maybe even attack the current Mormon prophet, I wonder at what point does a person become responsible for their own actions? Is it the family's fault for raising her to believe God is there for her? Is it the husband's fault for trashing her life? Or at some point does she become responsible for reacting rationally or irrationally?Since you can't control another adult's mind or actions, I guess they are punishing the families of terrorists for having given birth to them.
Jazz-Z Jazz-Z 7 years
Associate Professor Richard Pape, from the University of Chicago, produced a book called Dying to Win - The Strategic Logic of Suicide Terrorism. And he states: "Suicide terrorists are not mainly depressed, lonely individuals on the margins of society. I've studied 462 suicide terrorists from around the world since 1980. Few fit the standard stereotype of a depressed, lonely individual on the margins of society. Half of those 462 are secular and therefore not religious fanatics" "...What we have evidence for time and again across the spectrum is that they are deeply angered by military policies, especially foreign combat troops on territory that they prize and that they believe they have no other means to change those policies." So it sounds like half were not religious fanatics but just tired of military policies. I read once where many suicide bombers do it for the money for their families and in that case I think this option might work, but not all suicide bombers have the same agenda. On the flip side, being from Utah, I know a woman who was raised in a strick Mormon upbriging where you are taught to love one another, be kind to your neighbors, etc. Her parents worked in the temple and she has six siblings with brothers who went on missions. Five of her siblings still practice Mormonism, but after she went through a difficult divorce after 25 years of marriage, and after she had her family say a prayer for her in the temple that the judge would be fair, her philandering, sexually addicted husband got almost everything. Then she not only stopped believing in the church, but she became a bitterly active anti-mormon. If she were to start protests and maybe even attack the current Mormon prophet, I wonder at what point does a person become responsible for their own actions? Is it the family's fault for raising her to believe God is there for her? Is it the husband's fault for trashing her life? Or at some point does she become responsible for reacting rationally or irrationally? Since you can't control another adult's mind or actions, I guess they are punishing the families of terrorists for having given birth to them.
raciccarone raciccarone 7 years
... and the blind shoemaker shall dance with the one-legged seamstress.
UnDave35 UnDave35 7 years
Yes. The nut doesn't fall far from the tree.
raciccarone raciccarone 7 years
Excellent point, Stephley. Excellent point.
MartiniLush MartiniLush 7 years
Israel has been demolishing houses that have been used in to launch attacks on settlements before. That hasn't cut down on those types of attacks, so why do they think it will deter extremists now? "My philosophy is that religion, and fanatasism starts at home. While I might not believe in the fanatics, if I don't condem them, or teach my children that their acts are wrong, then in their eyes I at least condone the actions of the terrorists." I grew up in a home where we were taught to be tolerant and inclusive and that racism was totally wrong. I have a sister who is a religious fundamentalist who thinks that we should have a total separation of the races and that anyone who doesn't believe what she believes will go to hell. She barely speaks to me because my husband is not only a different race but a different religion. Where did she learn this? Certainly not in the house she grew up in! Should my parents be punished if she does something nuts? NO WAY!
MartiniLush MartiniLush 7 years
Israel has been demolishing houses that have been used in to launch attacks on settlements before. That hasn't cut down on those types of attacks, so why do they think it will deter extremists now? "My philosophy is that religion, and fanatasism starts at home. While I might not believe in the fanatics, if I don't condem them, or teach my children that their acts are wrong, then in their eyes I at least condone the actions of the terrorists." I grew up in a home where we were taught to be tolerant and inclusive and that racism was totally wrong. I have a sister who is a religious fundamentalist who thinks that we should have a total separation of the races and that anyone who doesn't believe what she believes will go to hell. She barely speaks to me because my husband is not only a different race but a different religion. Where did she learn this? Certainly not in the house she grew up in! Should my parents be punished if she does something nuts? NO WAY!
hypnoticmix hypnoticmix 7 years
"Prime Minister thinks these consequences will deter future terrorists" It is statements and actions such as these that only serve to promote what it claims to detour. Honestly in a nation that should know the intimacy of the reality of terrorism one would think that their leadership in this area would be a perfect marriage of wisdom and intelligence. However the reality tells a different story of ignorance and an inept ability to understand the consequences of such actions. They are only hurting themselves.
hypnoticmix hypnoticmix 7 years
"Prime Minister thinks these consequences will deter future terrorists" It is statements and actions such as these that only serve to promote what it claims to detour. Honestly in a nation that should know the intimacy of the reality of terrorism one would think that their leadership in this area would be a perfect marriage of wisdom and intelligence. However the reality tells a different story of ignorance and an inept ability to understand the consequences of such actions. They are only hurting themselves.
stephley stephley 7 years
So, if someone bombs an abortion clinic Dave, would you punish their parents as well?
raciccarone raciccarone 7 years
As a corporate efficiency expert, trials and facts are so wasteful. They should just punish everyone they think are guilty saving time and money.
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