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Evangelical Christians Voting for Obama

Evangelicals Lose Faith in Republicans — Church of Obama?

Young and found Jesus? There's a good chance you may be saying, "yes, we can." According to a September 2007 survey by the Pew Forum on Religion & Public Life, 15 percent of white evangelicals between 18 and 29 — those who could traditionally be counted on to vote Republican — say they no longer identify with the Republican Party. (Older evangelicals are also questioning their allegiance, although not as dramatically.) What's turning young evangelicals to Obama?

One seminary student summed it up like this: "I just keep thinking, if Jesus were alive now, he wouldn't necessarily be voting Republican." To see where the schism happens,

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Young Christians are just as passionate about the "family values" issues that have traditionally driven Christians to the Republican camp (a study by an evangelical polling organization shows young Christians are actually more conservative than older generations on abortion) but they're also concerned about issues such as social justice and immigration — issues traditionally addressed by Democrats. The crisis of conservatism stems from young evangelicals being "both socially conservative and globally aware." McCain doesn't speak to them on the former issue, so they're searching for a representative on the latter.

Robert Novak has an Op-Ed in the Washington Post today where he highlights McCain's faith-based problem, and questions the role of Mike Huckabee — could he be the religious savior that McCain needs, or does he have devilish intentions? Novak says this, which I find startling:

One experienced, credible activist in Christian politics who would not let his name be used told me that Huckabee, in personal conversation with him, had embraced the concept that an Obama presidency might be what the American people deserve. That fits what has largely been a fringe position among evangelicals: that the pain of an Obama presidency is in keeping with the Bible's prophecy.

Are you surprised by this evangelical phenomenon? Can McCain win over the socially conservative? Should he even try? Would an Obama presidency be a plague of biblical proportions — or heaven on earth?

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Jillness Jillness 8 years
Exactly, lilkimbo. I think Obama is more center than some democrats, but he is clearly not an independent. Cine, yes, his plan IS liberal. As I said he is a democrat. But clearly, the distinction between his and Hillary's plan is very large. And Cabaker, this is a site about news and politics. Candidates are mentioned on most threads...I know that Obama isn't your favorite, and perhaps the mention of his name stands out more to you because of this. I find it to be a complete double standard that Obama supporters are "beating people over the head", and yet "team red" consistently makes the most posts. You guys have your opinions and you make it well known. It doesn't bother me at all, so I am a little confused as to why you feel so oppressed by other people's opinions. To me, just stating your thoughts and the reason for them does not hinder other people from doing the same. I also do not understand why you would expect people to be expounding his detriments, when I have never heard a McCain supporter or Clinton supporter do the same. During the heat of the battle, most teams tend to focus on the positive. It just seems that you expect more out of the Obama supporters than you expect out of the people who like both of the other candidates.
lilkimbo lilkimbo 8 years
Cabaker, I couldn't agree with you more. And Jill, not here specifically, but a lot of people are trying to make the case that Obama is independent, when he is just as partisan as the next politician. It's fine, that's the way our system is set up. However, what irks a lot of people is when people try to act like Obama is in the center of the political spectrum when he clearly isn't. And, while McCain's platforms are definitely Republican, I think some McCain supporters say he is more independent because he has worked with people on both sides of the aisle a lot and on significant legislation. Also, he has voted against his party more often that most politicians. I recognize that McCain is definitely a Republican, but I think that's why some McCain supporters say he is more independent than most.
cine_lover cine_lover 8 years
Just to jump in real quick. Obama's health plan would cause tax payers to pay for the uninsured, am I correct? This means he is NOT moderate, but Liberal. Just because you are not forced to take the health care does not make it moderate, the fact I will be forced to pay for it makes it Liberal.
hausfrau hausfrau 8 years
Well I certainly wasn't trying to target Jill... Jill, I wasn't speaking of you specifically.
harmonyfrance harmonyfrance 8 years
please eat this... :cake: and have a :hug: and a :cocktail: Goodness cabaker. I get frustrated too about this particular issue, but Jill is not like that. I know you didn't mean for it to be targeted on her, but it sort of looked like that. I'm feeling all stressed out about it. No more blue and red. Here's a :roygbv:
hausfrau hausfrau 8 years
Well I'm sorry that you are disappointed that I chose to say that, but I stand by it. There ARE people on this site who act like he is perfect and there ARE people on this site who try to weave his name into every conversation and act like he has the solution to everything. And its not just here, its in regular every day life... Perhaps its because I've never heard an Obama supporter mention a detriment of his, ever. And I'm being completely honest, not facetious. All I'm saying is that there are many people who are taking him at face value and not doing their research, and when this race really starts to run, I sincerely hope those people will look deeper. I'm all for being passionate about your candidate, what Im not for is beating other people over the head about it. But thats another rant entirely...
Jillness Jillness 8 years
You make it sound as if someone is trying to make the case that Obama is an Independent or a Libertarian or something. Obama IS a democrat. He is left, no doubt about that. When people say he is moderate, it means that he is more towards the center on some ideas that his fellow democrats. Like his health care plan. Yes, he is for regulation and subsudies for those in need, but he doesn't make it mandatory. His policy is more center than that. Just like with John McCain. McCain is clearly a republican. He gets his "moderate" label because occasionally he is more center than others in his party on certain issues. Ditto with Obama. If you look on John McCain's website right now, his platform is Republican. And I know Obama isn't perfect. I have never claimed that to be the case, and I have never seen another Obama supporter on this site make that case. I am disappointed you chose to say that.
hausfrau hausfrau 8 years
i've been really watching my food, so i haven't had sweets in a while and then i had a bunch of oreos the other night and i felt sooo sick... so no sugar highs for me!
hausfrau hausfrau 8 years
ahhh dang it! :true:
hausfrau hausfrau 8 years
nope it was a :truestory:
hypnoticmix hypnoticmix 8 years
Was that last comment a sugar high cabaker?
cine_lover cine_lover 8 years
Hey cabaker! What you write is a :true:
hausfrau hausfrau 8 years
I can appreciate nuance as much as the next person... I mean, I expect to not hear that McCain wants us to be in Iraq 100 years or that all he wants to do is extend tax cuts period, but yet I hear that all the time... This goes both ways and I've heard plenty of things from those who are pro-Obama that don't take into account nuance. The fact is that Obama isn't perfect. He isn't moderate. He is very left. And thats the end of that story. His voting record is in accord with being far left, no titles included. So while some might think that just because he glosses over those aspects in his speeches that makes him moderate, thats simply not the case. I'm just saying that we should call a spade a spade. I look forward to Obama getting the nom and people learning more about him to recognize that he is more liberal than most people think.
harmonyfrance harmonyfrance 8 years
You know you want to do it too hypno!
hypnoticmix hypnoticmix 8 years
Oh gees I'm going to see those damn things in my sleep.
hypnoticmix hypnoticmix 8 years
Touching on your mention of Sen. Clintons vote to invade Iraq harmonyfrance. Although I have always been against the war I would never throw a Senators vote in their face for that invasion. When the adminstration, the state department, the department of defence, the CIA and the NSA all shoving supposed proof in their face and testifying in front of the Senate and the U.N. that Sedam Husane is an able threat who inteds to strike. The question I ask is well why wouldn't she believe them? I don't fault her for her vote.
harmonyfrance harmonyfrance 8 years
GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO TEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAM BLLLLLLLLLLLUUUUUUUEEEEE :kool: :kool: :kool:
Jillness Jillness 8 years
There is a lot I strongly agree with in your post, Harmony! :) Glad to be with you heading into November! Go TEAM BLUE! :kool:
harmonyfrance harmonyfrance 8 years
I agree Jill and I know ALL about nuance. The thing is that it goes both ways. I'm sure there are specific and nuanced reasons that Hillary has voted the way she has. Most people aren't going to look into that. SHE VOTED FOR THE IRAQ WAR! The End. I've heard that so many times. Nothing is ever black or white. There is so much gray area in every issue. None of these decisions are easy. None of these decisions are going to be universally praised. That's why this is the most important job in the country. That's why it's so important. That's why these candidates are fighting as hard as they are. AND that's why you and I are so passionate about making sure the right person gets the job. :)
hypnoticmix hypnoticmix 8 years
Easy on the piping cabaker, easy girl.
hypnoticmix hypnoticmix 8 years
I agree with your point about legislation Jillness.
Jillness Jillness 8 years
I am not trying to be offensive, but you really can't judge a decision based on the TITLE of legislation. Can no one appreciate nuance anymore? Because that is where so many of the issues lie. If you actually took time to learn more about Obama than just the superficial, you will see that many times legislation is greatly effected by the fine print. There have been smears on both sides of the political spectrum where they try to paint a politician as being for or against something, when they don't actually take the time to find out the reason behind the vote. I am confused when people try to suggest that legislation is so simlple. Legislation can be hundreds of pages long. Just because the title of the legislation might sound like something you would be for, it doesn't mean that the entire document is agreeable. When they vote, they have to agree to the whole document . With Obama, there have been times where I have been wondering, "Why did he vote like that?" Most of the time in these cases, if you read about his justification for the vote, it makes complete sense. For example, the vote on the partial birth abortion ban was because there was no exception for the mother's health. To me, to be "moderate" would be to include this exception in the ban. Yes, he is "left". He is a democrat after all! But I think he approaches his votes in a VERY REASONABLE way. Just my 2 cents!
hausfrau hausfrau 8 years
he he he... right tool for the job... he he he :)
hypnoticmix hypnoticmix 8 years
I kind of look at it this way. The age old head ache is that Congress is always at an impasse because one side doesn't want to yield to the other. This is the problem. The tool to fix (this) problem in my opinion is Sen. Obama. I think he's the right tool for the job.
harmonyfrance harmonyfrance 8 years
Awwww thanks for the permission Syako! :WAVE: Have fun at the gym!
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