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First Openly Gay Bishop Ordained in Sweden

Swedish meatballs. IKEA. Abba. Free health care and education. As if those riches weren't enough for one nation to hoard, now comes the news that over the weekend, Eva Brunne, above left, was ordained as Sweden's first openly gay bishop. Another female pastor, Tuulikki Koivunen Bylund, was also ordained as Bishop of Härnösand in northern Sweden. Around 75 percent of Swedes belong to the Lutheran church.

Brunne, 55, is in a civil union partnership with another woman and both of them are the parents of a three-year-old child.

Did I mention that Sweden also allows same-sex couples to adopt children and was one of the first countries to marry gay people in a major church? Yeah, I'll stop now, but I could go on. Sweden seriously has it going on.

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Yogaforlife Yogaforlife 6 years
Gaster - you comment is preaching. There's no preaching in this group.
nettefairy nettefairy 6 years
As a Lutheran I thought I'd weigh in. I'm a WELS Lutheran - not ELCA. Entirely different synod altogether. And I don't know why people think we're similar to Catholics (Anyone heard of Martin Luther and the Reformation?) Anyway, right now the WELS church does not condone homosexuality. Just wanted to defend my church and our beliefs is all. :-)
Autumns_Elegy Autumns_Elegy 6 years
I think this is so awesome.
Acid-Pops Acid-Pops 6 years
This might be slightly off-topic (or maybe not) but directly quoting the bible is pointless if you are going to insist on a direct interpretation of the words. It is not a complete representation of "the word of God". In fact, I would be very wary of anyone desperately holding on to it as a set "law" or example of how things should definitely be done as this shows they are not aware of what they are really referring to. The bible is a TRANSLATION, and in some cases a TRANSLATION of a TRANSLATION, of carefully (and politically motivated) selected and consequently canonized texts - let's not forget that a whole host of texts didn't make the cut and are therefore not found in the bible. However, this doesn't negate their validity. And there are many different translations (and revisions of translations) circulating out there in the world, each of them designed to bring across a certain message, according to the translator's (or more precisely, the contractor of the translation's) specific goals and wishes. This means that different aspects of the "original" texts may have been highlighted and/or ignored, depending on the ultimate goal. Make no mistake, these additions/omissions/changes/manipulations are not made arbitrarily-they are decisions that are very consciously made. Changes can range from the macro-textual level (division of paragraphs, chapters, etc.) to the micro-textual level (changes in the text itself, like gender pronouns, or use of gender-inclusive language etc.). Some translations are very source-text oriented, meaning they rely very heavily on the structural and cultural elements of the original, while some are very target-culture oriented, meaning they have try to bring the message to the readers in a manner that they find relevant to the way they think and the culture they live in. This means that when reading the bible, you should be very careful how literally you internalize the message - there is loads of room for interpretation.
Yogaforlife Yogaforlife 6 years
Thanks for starting that PinkNC! Ha - I was afraid to be an "owner" of a group!
PinkNC PinkNC 6 years
I hope you drop by our first blog Tres :) http://religions-of-the-world.tressugar.com/6130146?page=0,0#comment-6465520
Love-and-Sex Love-and-Sex 6 years
Thanks, PinkNC!
Love-and-Sex Love-and-Sex 6 years
Thanks, PinkNC!
em1282 em1282 6 years
"I will say, that yes - I do agree, there are most likely individuals that turn to homosexuality due to traumas or abuses sustained during childhood or other periods of their life. However, I don't doubt that there are probably more people who are born this way. I don't believe they are any different than anybody else and that they should be able to live their lives just like anyone else can.":notworthy: Yoga!
em1282 em1282 6 years
"I will say, that yes - I do agree, there are most likely individuals that turn to homosexuality due to traumas or abuses sustained during childhood or other periods of their life. However, I don't doubt that there are probably more people who are born this way. I don't believe they are any different than anybody else and that they should be able to live their lives just like anyone else can." :notworthy: Yoga!
PinkNC PinkNC 6 years
A religious group has been started in TreSugar Please feel free to join in the daily discussion and simply express your opinion :) The first blog asks the question: Is it good for gays to be ordained or is it a slap in the face to churches that stick strictly to the Bible verses that they teach? http://religions-of-the-world.tressugar.com/6130111
PinkNC PinkNC 6 years
A religious group <b>has been<b> started in TreSugarPlease feel free to join in the daily discussion and simply express your opinion :) The first blog asks the question: <b>Is it good for gays to be ordained or is it a slap in the face to churches that stick strictly to the Bible verses that they teach? <b>http://religions-of-the-world.tressugar.com/6130111
Love-and-Sex Love-and-Sex 6 years
Yogaforlife — you should start a group in Très's community!
xxstardust xxstardust 6 years
Chloe - I know plenty of people still quote it and while it's obviously incor, a lot of people don't know exactly why we don't follow that part of the Bible anymore (a lot of Christians included in that!) so I thought it would be interesting to add to the conversation. Yoga - I think that would be a really awesome group to be a part of and would definitely participate if it got started up .. but it would definitely need *heavy* moderation, I'm sure. Anon 38 - you realize that runningesq was posting a satirical letter, right?
runningesq runningesq 6 years
Anon @ 38: thanks, but I'm pretty sure Jesus isn't a big fan of me. and I'm okay with that.
Yogaforlife Yogaforlife 6 years
Is there a tres discussion group concerning religion? One that can serve as a means to foster healthy and respectful debate?
chloe-bella chloe-bella 6 years
Stardust - Thanks for the info. However, the Leviticus passage is still frequently cited by SOME Christians as being evidence of the Bible's prohibition against homosexuality, even if it was superseded by the New Testament.
Yogaforlife Yogaforlife 6 years
well Jayde, personally I don't believe humans are above the natural world, rather we are a part of it. I think the belief that we are apart of the natural world is what has caused so much destruction of the natural environment. I personally see no problem comparing some animal behavior to our own. But then I also am an atheist and don't believe in god and the bible. I have morals and believe that some things are inherently wrong - such as murder, assault, molestation of children, etc. Homosexuality seems to be a natural occurrence - you can find examples in nature, it's most definitley not morally wrong and should not be considered as bad as murder, etc.
xxstardust xxstardust 6 years
Jayde - as I said, the ELCA gives a LOT of autonomy to individual churches and congregations, so it's very possible that the specific Lutheran church your friend is a member of does not approve of homosexual priests and/or unions. However, the overarching governing body of the church has made in the last several months decisions and church position statements which make it known that as a whole, they are supporting and inclusive of the LGBT community. Again, this falls heavily to debate in individual congregations and does not hold true in all of them and many churches are leaving because of it. (Which the Lutheran church is ALSO very fair about .. I believe, IIRC, their policy is to allow a specific church to withdraw and keep the building if a 2/3s majority of the congregation feels they no longer should belong to the ELCA.) For the record I am not Lutheran myself (I'm simply very interested in Bible study and religious studies, and do a lot of interfaith work with groups on my college campus) - like your MIL I'm Catholic and you're right there: the Catholic church does not approve of same-sex unions nor does it allow the ordination of openly LBGT people. My personal opinion of that? Well, the Church as a whole is free to do what it wishes from a dogmatic perspective. However myself (and many Catholics I know, my priest in my campus Catholic ministry included!), I feel that civil marriage and the holy sacrament of matrimony are not entirely the same thing, and thus while Catholic matrimony is not open to those of the LGBT community (and should not be mandated to be such), civil marriage - which is a government-administrated social and legal contract, not a religious one - absolutely should be. My religious beliefs regarding someone's sexuality should have no bearing on secular legal rights. In addition - runningesq, and anyone else who may not realize this - Leviticus, which is where that Dr. Laura article comes from, is from the Old Testament, which in the New Testament is declared null and void as the coming of Jesus fulfilled the covenant with God under which the laws detailed in Leviticus were created. The teachings of Christ wipe clean the slate for a new covenant to be formed - under which the dietary laws and all laws of Leviticus are no longer to be followed. See Matthew 15:11: "not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man, but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man." ]That speaks specifically to the dietary laws, of course, but the premise that all of the laws are swept away is there and clearly detailed elsewhere in the NT. Also, and this will be controversial of course, but the story of Sodom and Gomorrah is hotly contested and has many other meanings aside from a prohibition against homosexuality. It's often argued (quite well, in my opinion, though I have no strong stand on it either way) that the argument is instead that the people of Sodom and Gomorrah did not practice the appropriate charity and hospitality to travelers (which, as inns were far and few between in those days, was an important thing to many!). Ezekiel 16:48-50: ''Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy. They were haughty and did detestable things before me. Therefore I did away with them as you have seen. " These things are quite debated, and while I know this isn't the point of the OP I wanted to put them out there for food for thought. I think this is a place were open (polite!) discussion from opposing viewpoints can happen nicely and appropriately and I'd like to foster it if I can.
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