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French Judge Puts Scientology on Trial For Organized Fraud

The Church of Scientology and seven of its leaders will soon face trial in France for fraud and illegally practicing as pharmacists. French law classifies the Church of Scientology as a strictly commercial organization, and the government conducts surveillance of its operations.

The alleged victim in the case is a woman who signed up for a free Scientology personality test in 1998. She went on to pay 140,000 francs ($30,292) for "purification packages" that included books, an electrometer said to measure her mental state, and church-prescribed drugs. The Church argues that she has since been reimbursed.

The case reignites the debate about whether freedom of religion should extend to Scientology. The outcome of the trial may mean that France bans Scientology altogether. While the French government should protect its citizens from illegal and coercive methods used to attract and retain members of a religion, I think there may be some ready to accuse other religions of "organized fraud."

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UnDave35 UnDave35 7 years
ummmm itch where it scratches?
fuzzles fuzzles 7 years
UnDave, You are confusing me. Testicles, or mind? What do I itch???
UnDave35 UnDave35 7 years
What about his fabulous mind? Actually, is it just me, or does he look a little manic in that picture? I think he has been overcome with the whole "rapture"
kastarte2 kastarte2 7 years
Rac, If we didn't talk about Tom Cruise's testicles, what would we have left to discuss?
fuzzles fuzzles 7 years
Looking forward to the next threads regarding Nom Cruise's Tuts! ;)
bluesarahlou bluesarahlou 7 years
Thanks fuzzles! :)
fuzzles fuzzles 7 years
blues, LOVE your new avatar!
bluesarahlou bluesarahlou 7 years
Wow hypno...that's a lot of nuts! :rotfl:
hypnoticmix hypnoticmix 7 years
It's risky business but sombody's gotta do it.
fuzzles fuzzles 7 years
:rotfl:
raciccarone raciccarone 7 years
Can we please get through one thread without talking about Tom Cruise's testicles?
amybdk amybdk 7 years
Regarding Hypno's earlier post: "I now have a good friend who is a Scientologist and just to see what all the hubbub is all about I am going to take an introduction class, because I'm tired of having this debate rage on all around me and I still don't know diddly about Scientology. I'm certainly not going to base my judgments on rumor either." Good for you! I've nearly been tempted myself. I look forward to hearing your opinions, etc.
hypnoticmix hypnoticmix 7 years
As for Tom Cruise I can take him or leave him as an actor. IMO he's a mediocre actor that has consistently received a top actors billing. As for him being nuts well hey let me tell you I like Scientology’s version of nuts a hell of a lot more than I like main stream nuts. He's genuinely happy, he's successful, he's driven, he's kind, he's likeable, he's a great family man and if that's nuts honey I'll take his nuts any day.
bellaressa bellaressa 7 years
I could provide her with a purification package, for 5k more than what she paid.
kastarte2 kastarte2 7 years
I wonder how long it will take for the TomKat/Scientology trolls to make there way over to this thread from Pop... :ponder:
ilanac13 ilanac13 7 years
i think that it's interesting to see the lengths that people will go to some times. i can understand the woman being upset becuase she paid all that money to the organization in the hopes that she would be cured and rejuvinated and all that - but come on. if you're going to shell out that kind of money becuase you believe something's going to change your life - then that's your call. it's a tough one - to think that France is looking to potentially 'ban' a religion. it's saying that you aren't free to practice something that you believe in, and this is 2008 - people should be allowed to do what they want. granted maybe there should be limitations on what an organization can do - i'm sure the the scientologists didn't provide anything that would be considered medication or the sort - just 'healing packets' which are probably all direction things and herbal right? i don't know - this is a touchy thing - and i think that people just blow anything scientology related way out of proportion.
CaterpillarGirl CaterpillarGirl 7 years
So this woman cant read the fine print and she sues, and now the frenchies want to kick scientology out? I can understand that, seeing as how to be a scientologist you are required to pay a certain amount of money to move on up in the ranks, BUT if anyone is stupid enough to get involved they should go in fully informed and not cry "fraud" when they get fleeced. There is a huge scientology community here in florida, clearwater/tampa area and they have had a lot of trouble with the law and with backlash sidenote- I still adore Tom Cruise, I know I know he is bonkers, but I cannot help myself.
Mädchen Mädchen 7 years
This bit just made me laugh: "The Church of Scientology denounced Monday's ruling, saying it was being "stigmatized" by the courts. "The special treatment reserved for the Church of Scientology Celebrity Center raises questions about the equality of the justice system and the presumption of innocence," it said in a statement." "Special treatment" and "Celebrity Center" in one sentence = priceless. That's exactly why countries like France and Germany don't consider Scientology a religion: they make you pay money to "advance spiritually", which makes it a business. They're not a non-profit organization. What I don't get is why the other members put up with those "Celebrity Centers". I don't think I could ever belong to a church that treats me as a second-rate member.
JaeB JaeB 7 years
Badlands-- creepy! Sounds like some kind of Vonnegut satire, except he'd make it nice and hilarious. And someone once said to me that all religious stories were about the same (whether you believe one version or not)...but not that one! Maybe that's a clue.
JaeB JaeB 7 years
snowbunny-- I understand what you're saying, and do sympathize with the woman. I definitely think the "Church" is out of line and as I said, I support the legal action being taken against it by the government, and of course the woman should not be judged for whatever reasons or faith she had. However, it was still her mistake, as she makes it apparent to be a mistake now, and her choice; she put her faith in them, and especially because she was convinced, I don't think that necessarily means she deserves anything from them. I can choose to believe whoever I want, what to expose myself to in the first place, and where I decide to put my money...my choice, and I deal with the consequences. Besides, the situation was shady to begin with, and she chose not to recognize the signs; she was signed up outside a metro station. If I choose to believe in the religion the guy preaches standing in the entrance to my college, and then I decide to buy pills and packets from him, my personal judgment is partially responsible. I can't just snap out of it and want the world to end for that person, because I let that happen to me. Besides, religion is a tricky issue. You can't prove that it works and you can't prove that it doesn't. :/ So, to me, in that territory, it's kind of like, if you believe(d) it, it should be a non-issue. But it's a personal responsibility to recognize someone could use faith to take advantage of you. Plus, to me, it is strange that an organization known, as Imabeliever states, to think that all people can heal themselves and as having a funky relationship with drugs to treat big-time illnesses, would "prescribe" it's own drug. Red flag....
Twinkle1 Twinkle1 7 years
It's about time! Check out http://www.xenu.net/ to learn more about Scientology.
Badlands Badlands 7 years
Has anyone read what the origins of Scientology. Like where the thetans come from? Millions of years ago the universe was over populated. The evel ruler Xanu took millions of people from other planets to earth and threw them into a volcano. This was after they were frozen. The souls of these people floated up and were captured and forced to watch videos of "false realities" and then released. It is these floating thetans that attache themselves to the humans on earth. That would be us. Scientology trys to get rid of these thetans because they are bad for us. The whole bs story was the end results of a drug filled life of a pedophile, L. Ron Hubbard. His whole life was a lie starting with his childhood through his service in the navy. While in the navy he ordered the ship he commanded to fire on an island of the coast of California. The island was owned by Mexico and he was removed from command so there would not be an international incident. Scientology is just a racket to make money. Why did Tom Cruise get to such a high level so quickly. Others have be members longer but they did not give as much money. Get the facts first. Look on the web but don't go to scientology to answer your questions, they are experts in brainwashing.
Imabeliever Imabeliever 7 years
Let me also say just to cover my ass that this is just my opinion..(please do not kill me Xenu) and that everyone has the right to believe what they want and give their money to whomever they want to (please don't hurt me) and that Tom Cruise is very straight and virile and not creepy in any way and I am very much looking forward to Valkrye. And that him leaving Nicole over night even though possibly pregnant and her not getting the better side of the custody rights to the children and apparently never being able to say anything about scientolgy ever isn't weird in any way..and that is is just a strange coincidence that two of your ex wives were able to get pregnant after they remarried yet somehow not with you.. happens to everybody.. .. TOTALLY normal. All American hero that Tom...
Imabeliever Imabeliever 7 years
Many people have died, committed suicide or killed others while following Scientology teachings and going off their meds for vitamins and exercise.. etc. http://www.whyaretheydead.net/ Problem is the so called church is richer than the vatican (supposedly.. since they are a religion they do not need to say how much money they have or be taxed on it).. and they are shrouded in mystery.. good luck making anything stick. A "religion" created by a perverted Science Fiction writer who said the best way to make money is to invent a religion.. was right and they are swimming in it and they are sue happy.. litigation specialists. Create a pseudo "religion" where the only way to learn and get "clear" is to pay thousands and thousands of dollars for the right of access. Make each level more expensive then the next.. reel them in and make them dependent..then make them afraid to leave. Claim that all forms of psychiatry is evil, that medicines for schizophrenia is BS, that in fact all mental/neurological disorders do not exist (all people can heal themselves if they try hard enough and are "clear" enough.. if you are unable to heal yourself.. say from autism..you are not a good enough person..you need to pay more money for more cleansing sessions), and exploit people for money. If someone claims scientology is wrong then they are fair game..as defined by Hubbard..“May be deprived of property or injured by any means by any Scientologist without any discipline of the Scientologist. May be tricked, sued or lied to or destroyed.” Their best weapon is your taped "clearing" or "auditing" sessions.. you are hooked up to a basic lie detector (e meter) and asked questions about your past, sexual history, secrets, fantasies, things you are embarrassed about.. to clear you.. but if you leave then they will use that information against you publicly if you attempt to speak out against them.. as if you had confessed to a priest and then left the church and they posted your confessions on the internet or sent them to your significant other or parents or employer. It is a scary organization. The more you research them and people who have left.. esp the Sea Org branch of scientology the scarier they get..
outofhere outofhere 7 years
I admit I know very little about the Church of Scientology except for the craziness that is Tom Cruise. Perhaps I'm being naive or ill-informed but if the French government deems it necessary to investigate, then I trust they have good reasons.I am very confused about one thing. "The Church of Scientology and seven of its leaders will soon face trial in France for fraud and illegally practicing as pharmacists." and ".....church prescribed drugs" What? Pharmacists, drugs? I thought they were totally against using any kind of medication? And, the idea of paying over $30,000 to get some kind of a religious starter kit, seems questionable! No wonder the French government considers it a commercial business.
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