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Front Page: Israel Ready For "Long Weeks of Action" in Gaza

  • Israel says it is ready for "long weeks of action" as it continues the fourth day of an air assault on Gaza. Palestinian officials say the death toll is more than 360 since Saturday. Four Israelis have died in rocket fire. — BBC News
  • Consumer confidence in the US dropped again, hitting a new record low in December, according to a monthly survey. — Washington Post
  • The Bush administration expanded its bailout of the auto industry today, saying it was buying $5 billion in equity in auto and mortgage finance company GMAC and increasing a loan to General Motors by $1 billion. — Reuters
  • Public schools across the country, hurt by state and local government cutbacks, are tapping parents for extra funds. — Wall Street Journal
  • Home prices in 20 major American cities declined at the fastest rate on record, brought down by increased foreclosures and decreased sales. — Bloomberg

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pequeña pequeña 7 years
Kate, I don't think Palestinians are being kept in poverty by their leaders only - Israel has blocked Gaza for many years now, turning it literally into a prison. Israel is using the same methods that were used against them during WWII. More than 4 million Palestinians are living in refugee camps, according to the UN. That's A LOT of people, but those are only the ones registered, so it's probably a lot more than that. All these people can't live in their country anymore. The thing is the Palestinians have almost nothing left to defend but their pride. Let's face it - they have nothing. I'm not defending terrorism in any way, but to end with it, we have to see where it comes from. Israel has more power, and they aren't using the right methods. I hope both sides stop the violence and a pact can me reached, but I have almost lost hope - if the US or Europe do not intervene in the negotiations, the problem won't be solved.
Myst Myst 7 years
I agree with you on that Kate. Arafat robbed the Palestinians blin while he was alive, however there were serious talks that were in place prior to the new administration came into office in 2000. For whatever reasons that happened, those talks went dead. There are many moderate Palestinians who truly want peace and want to have the proper supervisions that's put in place for a sovereign Palestine. However Hamas was the elected government and they need to better solutions other than fights. I'm really hoping that talks will work because the last thing that Palestine and Israel need is for a ground invasion as they are already prepped to do so. Again, Israel is playing into Hamas' hands by even thinking of ground invasion.
Myst Myst 7 years
I agree with you on that Kate. Arafat robbed the Palestinians blin while he was alive, however there were serious talks that were in place prior to the new administration came into office in 2000. For whatever reasons that happened, those talks went dead. There are many moderate Palestinians who truly want peace and want to have the proper supervisions that's put in place for a sovereign Palestine. However Hamas was the elected government and they need to better solutions other than fights. I'm really hoping that talks will work because the last thing that Palestine and Israel need is for a ground invasion as they are already prepped to do so. Again, Israel is playing into Hamas' hands by even thinking of ground invasion.
katedavis katedavis 7 years
I think the impediment to sovereignty has been the unwillingness of Arafat/Abbas to agree to accepting the West Bank as their only territory. They want more land (as does Hamas). The repercussions of a withdrawal and blockade removal would be an influx of Hamas militants into Israel and an uncontrollable amount of damage and loss of innocent human life would occur. Even if the Palestinians would ever accept the West Bank there would need to be an infrastructure in place so the Palestinian people can carry on productive lives. They are currently being kept in poverty by their leaders and that's not going to change by opening up the border. Ideally it would be amazing if it were that simple, but strategically Hamas has closed that option off because if it were viable Israel would have agreed years and years ago.
Myst Myst 7 years
Oh ok, kate, I got you. I'm cleared on that, but no the rocket fire, didn't precede the tunnel. Hamas and Israel had a 6 month cease-fire agreement that was up to renegotiation that . Since Israel has had a blockade at the entry of the Gaza Strip since they left occupation, a tunnel was created from Egypt so that supplies, food, water, and others could be brought in. Israel based on their sources says that Hamas was using the tunnel to also bring in weapons, which would have violated their cease-fire agreement. Israel choose to blow the tunnel up, without having definite proof. Hamas in turn declared the cease-fire to be over and started shooting in rockets fires at reached southern Israeli cities. Israel warned them, Hamas choose to ignore the warnings, and so Israel choose to start the aerial attack. Oh you wont find me arguing for Hamas, because as I said in another post, they don't and never will have Palestinian best interest at heart, however Israel need to for once and for all let the Palestinian be recognized as their own sovereign nation, remove the blockades, and leave the West Bank. If Sharon and other government heads in Israel continue their treatment of Palestinians like this, it will only make groups like Hamas stronger. I mean for goodness sake, Hamas who are Shiite Muslim are being heavily supported by Iran, who are are Sunni Muslim and Shiites and Sunnis don't like each other.
katedavis katedavis 7 years
Myst- I did read your whole post but the information I heard was that the rocket-fire into Israel preceded the tunnel incident. Unfortunately, there are so many conflicting reports. As for the proportionality of Israel's response to Hamas's attacks, the Hamas attacks are aimed at residential neighborhoods in Israel. Any artillery fired at homes is unacceptable. Israel's response is aimed at Hamas locations. The tragedy is that Hamas situates themselves among civilians as a defensive measure. Hamas preys on the poverty and unrest of the Palestinians to build their armies while endangering their mothers, wives and children on a daily basis. There have "only" been 2 Israeli deaths because Israel tries very hard to give its citizens as much warning as possible when there are incoming strikes. Hamas on the other hands burrows deeper into civilian neighborhoods when under attack.
Myst Myst 7 years
Again Dave, I will not disagree with Israel having the right to defend itself, but not in the scale they have done so. If you see the rockets that Hamas was firing and compared to Israeli rockets. HUGE difference and it push the Palestinians, especially moderate Palestinians who really want peace, further to support Hamas, which isn't something that Israel needs.
UnDave35 UnDave35 7 years
Well, when someone fires a gun at you, I would call that a war. We'll see where it goes.
Myst Myst 7 years
No Dave, not as of yet, but they are planning to if it continues. In their own words, they are at war.
UnDave35 UnDave35 7 years
Have they begun a ground attack? I think Isreal has responded appropriately to this point. If they begin a ground offensive, then I will have to rethink my opinion of this situation.
Myst Myst 7 years
Dave that's something we're never going to agree on. Your views and my views are hugely different. I have no problem with Israel defending themselves. I do however have a problem in the method and on the scale that they have done so. This isn't going to make things better for any of the party involved. If Israel continue to go on with this sort of attack and start ground attacks it will escalate beyond what it has already done so, as it is something that Hamas wants them to do. Israel played itself exactly into Hamas' hands and earned further condemnation from other Arab countries.
UnDave35 UnDave35 7 years
"The unfortunate thing is that,many people in the surrounding area are being killed regardless." Actually, they are very accurate with their weapons. The problem is Hamas is hiding out and firing their weapons from buildings that also have civilians living in them.
Myst Myst 7 years
Jillness, the majority of that number are women and children, that's why, because they are the ones are the basically known not to be militant. Israel has been target known Hamas buildings and hide out. The unfortunate thing is that,many people in the surrounding area are being killed regardless. And yes there is a blockade of that's preventing medical supplies to come in. Many of the hospitals are telling people that they are better off going home because there's nothing that they can do. I hate Hamas and Hebollah just as much as the next person but Israel response is grossly disproportionate and prior to this attack there were no Israeli death and so far there has only been two. One Israeli-Jew and one Israeli-Arab.
Jillness Jillness 7 years
One thing I think is interesting is I keep hearing numbers like "360 people were killed, including 60 civilians". So does that mean that Israel is having a 83% accuracy level for hitting militants? Who are the "non-civilans"? How do they make the distinction? Why did Israel ram the boat with medical supplies for civilians? I tend to side with Israel and am horrified that Hamas was regularly firing on their civilians, but I do not think that Israel handled this in the right way. In a way, they are legitimizing Hamas's actions.
Myst Myst 7 years
kate, I did mentioned that, I clearly said in my post that Hamas was firing rocket fire towards Southern Israel. I said did say both side have accused each other of breaking the cease fire because Hamas shouldn't have been bringing in weapon and Israel shouldn't have blown up the tunnel without absolute proof of that's what was happening. Nothing bias about that. Please read my full post.
Jillness Jillness 7 years
I don't think there is anything wrong with Obama's position as he is presenting it. 1.) He has no power to make changes to US policy. 2.) The staff he would appoint like Secretary of State, ambassadors, etc. are not sworn in yet so he does not have the ability to give and receive information through channels and people he trusts. The specificity of what happened, what both sides want, and what they are willing to compromise to get that is so important, and it would be careless to trust the accuracy of this information to people in the Bush administration. 3.) If Obama would be approaching this in a way that differs from the Bush administration and lets it be known, Bush could make last minute changes that would thwart his plans. I think Obama's approach will be quite different from Bush.
katedavis katedavis 7 years
I don't think Myst's info is as unbiased as people think. Israel did not start air strikes because of weapons being smuggled. The rockets were actually being FIRED into civilian areas in Israel from Gaza. That is what broke the cease fire.
stephley stephley 7 years
The only reason I'm not sure Obama should say too much is that there are three weeks for people (in Israel or Washington) to make moves that could pre-empt anything he suggests should happen.
zeze zeze 7 years
Thank for the info Myst, I cannot believe how biased our sources are. I've been busy for the last few days and only caught the big network/papers stuff and had no idea Israel started this by blowing up the tunnel without real proof (basically being judge and jury and giving themselves an excuse to attack then they wait for Gaza to use their pathetic rockets that miss fire and kill more Palestinians then Israelis and launch a massive massacre killing 400 palestinians). It irks me that all the newspaper headlines are Israel hits Hamas (not mentioning they are attacking civilian villages where hamas members live, making it seem like they are hitting a military base)and Bush blames Hamas when this is all going on. What happened to fairness and justice? And Obama is annoying me with his "no opinion" approach, which even as an Obama supporter, I have noticed is a trend with Obama. This requires a STAND.
bellaressa bellaressa 7 years
Thanks Myst for providing evident information.
Myst Myst 7 years
first of all Dave, those have nothing to do between Muslim and Christians, that's what's inherently wrong with your statement and it didn't happen in South Africa, it was in Congo. Secondly what's going on is the Rebel leaders of different tribes, who for the most part have no religious affiliation, who are trying to overtake the government and killing different tribes, regardless if they are Muslim or Christian. You can't make this out to be a Muslim thing.
hypnoticmix hypnoticmix 7 years
Thanks for the info Myst, sound like the usual. It's a damn shame too because one life much less hundreds is not worth that bull$#!+. If I was Israels leader I would have sent engineers in to deal with it by other means, not blow it up.
UnDave35 UnDave35 7 years
(Cont'd) comparable to the attrocities of appartheid, but it's still attrocious, and is ongoing.
UnDave35 UnDave35 7 years
I got that bit of information from the Bishop (Desmond Tutu) of our companion synod in South Africa, while he was visiting our synod earlier this month. He got a call informing him of this terrible incident, and he needed to cut his visit short becuase of it. There were 6 churches burned in the course of two mornings. You are right, it's not comparable to the attrocities of appartheid
stephley stephley 7 years
Not sure what you're talking about UD, only similar story I can find on that happened in DR Congo... but whatever it is, it is nothing comparable to the apartheid era.
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