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Hillary Was In the White House With Monica Lewinsky

Is This Really Why We Wanted Hillary's First Lady Papers?

Hillary Clinton just released her much anticipated logs and schedules from her tenure as First Lady. While some, like Time are probably interested in how she spent her time in the White House in terms of her foreign policy resume (check out the story, it's a great straight-forward look at her roles in Ireland and Macedonia.) But there's always a little bonus slice of juice if you have the inclination to dig deeply enough (or "go there" as it were).

Hillary was in the White House while Bill and Monica were together. There. I said it. I'm a bad person for being interested in this detail.

In my defense, I'm not the only one. Many, many, many news outlets care too. Hillary was in the White House on "Blue Dress Day."

In my defense, I'm interested for a couple of reasons: the sheer speed in which people hopped on this detail and flung it around the world perhaps says something about the lingering perception of Hillary's time in the White House. Maybe a little something about how we consider details of a female candidate's record differently than a man's. And just perhaps that given the complicated times we live in now, it's nice to relive a piece of titillation from a simpler time. Gap dress, I hardly knew ye.

Be honest. Was your interest piqued?

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remedios remedios 8 years
or both.
remedios remedios 8 years
a few people might care about truth and honesty but most are just looking for dirt or like to gossip.
lula29 lula29 8 years
<"Every single person who has EVER ran for president has had to pull some strings. Every single person who has EVER ran for president has had to use their connections."> No one is demonizing pulling strings. Hillary Clinton is being criticized for misleading the public by stating she didn't support NAFTA when it's now obvious, in light of recent documents released by her camp, that she has always been very much so in support of NAFTA. Her 35 years of experience is also being questioned because it now appears most of what she claimed is a fabrication. Criticizing Hillary Clinton has nothing to do with her gender. I'm a woman. I'm not afraid of women in power. I grew up under a female minister, I come from a single parent family of 6 children, 5 girls and one boy, my current boss, who I have tons of respect for, is a woman. I guess since I'm used to being around so many powerful women, I don't have a problem looking at women objectively based on their merit and not gender, for that reason I'm highly critical of Hillary Clinton because she is a deeply flawed candidate who lacks integrity as proven by her misleading statements. Why is being critical of a woman considered gender bias? Doesn't that go against the tenets of feminism which push equality between the genders, which includes being judged critically based on actions? I'm confused why some feel Hillary should be given special treatment because of her gender.
harmonyfrance harmonyfrance 8 years
Thank you Lilkimbo. :) I just get tired of all of the unadulterated hatred that is directed at her. Some of it makes sense, but some of it really doesn't. Honestly I would defend her even if I wasn't a Hillary supporter. I'm starting to think that people aren't ready for a woman in power. Maybe there will be one day when a woman can run for president on equal footing with a man. In this day and age however the kind of women that would make it this far are going to be like Hillary. It was like that in the military too. The women that climbed the highest were considered the biggest bitches. Even with the small amount of subordinates that I had as a second class petty officer...it was a really delicate balance. If you didn't come off as tough as nails they walked all over you. What really saddens me is that it isn't just men that are perpetuating this double edged sword. It's women. Women are the most vicious about it. She will be vilified no matter what she does because people don't have a convenient box to place her in. She is not any worse than any other politician give or take. They all have skeletons. Just treat her the same no better no worse.
lilkimbo lilkimbo 8 years
I agree, HarmonyFrance. Don't get me wrong, I'm not really a Hillary supporter. I don't agree with a lot of her policies, but that's another issue for another day. I do think people are quick to jump on her, though. And, not that long ago (think when Hillary was raising Chelsea), there was a negative stigma attached to women who worked outside the home instead of "staying home to properly raise their children." I don't think we should fault her for wanting to stay home, then begin a more active career. And, while we'll never know if Hillary would have been successful on her own, there's a good chance she could have been. Honestly, I have read "The Hillary Trap" and think it does make some good points, but I also think you have to look at things from both sides.
harmonyfrance harmonyfrance 8 years
Every single person who has EVER ran for president has had to pull some strings. Every single person who has EVER ran for president has had to use their connections. Seriously this is a hard life whether you are a politician or not. It's hard to get ahead. Why wouldn't you use your connections? I don't understand why Bill helping her along is such a horrible thing. Hillary Clinton has been involved in public service for her entire life even before she met Bill. So what if she did have white house aspirations. What exactly is wrong with that? Isn't that what we tell our daughters today that they can be anything they want to be including the president of the united states? There is a reason that she is the first woman to do this. She's worked her tail off, she's had the right connections, she's greased some wheels, and she's had the right luck. I completely understand that Obama's journey here has been a struggle, but who are we to say that Hillary's has been a walk in the park? Nobody knows what personal struggles she's been through. All we know is what the media feeds us. I'm sure that barely skims the surface. For anyone to say that they know how she's gotten here or why she's done what she's done is pure speculation. There are a lot of people on these threads that pride themselves with being open-minded and capable of seeing both sides of the issue. BUT that seems to only extend to McCain and Obama. I don't understand why there is an instant hatred for Hillary.
liciababe liciababe 8 years
syako bless u for you jfk comments and woohoo on hillary's note I just won a bet with one of my liberal friends on that she did do near what she claims as fl haha
trésjolie1 trésjolie1 8 years
Threesome. :rotfl:
indielove indielove 8 years
*the same
indielove indielove 8 years
"Her greatest political "experience" is precisely that sort of string-pulling and game-playing that politicians engage in, however. That's not much to recommend her to me." I feel that same. I'm sick of hearing about scandals in politicians' personal lives(their bedrooms). Who cares if she was in the White House at the time? It's not like they had a threesome. This 'fact' doesn't matter in the least, to me it doesn't. With all these new revelations coming out about her time in the White House, I'm still waiting to hear about the SUBSTANTIAL contributions she made that constitutes as 'experience'.
Matdredalia Matdredalia 8 years
Cine - how DARE you use fear tactics in your administration! Criticism of the government is the highest form of patriotism, and by god I have my right to express my feelings of dismay in Syako's poor choice in pastries, damnit!
Matdredalia Matdredalia 8 years
cabaker ---- I like my cake a lot b/c as I said before, my mom is a mega cake baker and I've learned to appreciate them. However, is it terrible that over pies, cakes, brownies, etc. I'd prefer a good slice of cheescake or some ice cream? wait....cheesecake is cake....can we get cheesecake on free cake tuesdays?!
syako syako 8 years
true that! forgot about that one. :ninja:
trésjolie1 trésjolie1 8 years
I see Ca, didn't think about that. I try to eat as much fruit and vegetables as I can, so I always have something lying around - which makes me forget about the cost. We can't bash the VP Syako; that's not patriotic! :rotfl:
hausfrau hausfrau 8 years
No Sy I completely agree... Id take a cake, a brownie, heck even a decent cookie over a slice of pie anyday!
syako syako 8 years
This may make me no longer count as an American, but I don't really like pies in general. I'll eat em, but wouldn't choose em. Ok I'm ready for the :mob:
hausfrau hausfrau 8 years
I think whats expensive about pies is the filling... fresh fruit is pricey! Whereas just about every cake is flour, sugar, etc... staples that are less costly... Though the better quality ingredients, the better the dish. I make a mean apple pie for my hubby, which he loves because he gets it all to himself. But pumpkin is def. my favorite. And cream pies - banana, coconut, boston... yumm!!
trésjolie1 trésjolie1 8 years
:rotfl: You guys are so, so funny. Made my night. And Cabaker; I truly do think you are the Secretary of Awesomeness! I'm so glad we are sorting out the positions of the cine/syako ticket. But you know, we need a Jack Bauer! Maybe we should just kidnap Kiefer Sutherland and brainwash him into real CTU agentness. Yeah, and we need to establish CTU back on its feet with Cloe doing all the illegal hacking. My pies are real easy and cheap. Or real cheap. Ahahah. Just kidding. But what is expensive about pies? Dun geddit. I feel like America is either a pie or a fudge brownie.
cine_lover cine_lover 8 years
I have never baked a pie. But oh boy does my fiance make a mean pumpkin pie, and a apple cobbler!
Matdredalia Matdredalia 8 years
lula29 - I pretty much agree with everything you said, except the "more of the same" statement. While I do not want her in office, I would support her because there are a lot of things in which I am on the same page with her about and I do think she could do a lot of good for this country. Do I like her tactics? No. Do I think she needs to start taking some responsibility for her actions? Yes. Do I think she's a corrupt politician? Yes, but so are McCain and Ron Paul and McCain's views are so far removed from my own I could scream, and Ron Paul kind of scares me. So, I would much rather see her in the White House, as I honestly believe she is the best candidate for the job, save for Obama.
Matdredalia Matdredalia 8 years
cabaker - well, most people don't bake pies in general because they're so much work. My mother was raised (for the first 8 years of her life) by her great grandmother who was born and raised in her family's bakery and literally baked every day of her life. My mom LOVES baking but doesn't bake pies because they are two expensive and take so much work. However, she bakes a lot of cakes. So, couldn't we provide subsidies for free pie Thursdays based on the premise that cake bakers reach a certain standard in their baking to compensate for the government expenditures? liliblu - I definitely agree. I also have a lot of problems with the fact that she talks a lot of garbage about the lobbyists and interest groups in Washington, especially those concerning the insurance agencies, and yet she takes huge campaign contributions from them. Also, considering she's supposed to "liberal" and support individual opportunity and choice, her views on video game censorship are absurd. She actually believes that certain games should not have been allowed to be released in the country, at all. Also, I can not stand her position on gay marriage. She flipflops badly about it, and considering she is so hard and fast on abortion, I find it disgusting she can't make up her mind about gay marriage. I'm Pro-choice, but I realize that abortion is killing a life. Regardless of anything else, that is a fact. How in the hell can this woman be so hard and fast on abortion and yet she can't make up her mind on whether or not two people who are in love should be afforded equal protection under the law? So yes, I will have a VERY hard time voting for her, but as I said earlier, I would prefer her to McCain or Ron Paul. *crosses fingers* Pleeeease Obama...
lula29 lula29 8 years
Matdredalia, I believe everyone's intregrity gets tested, including politicians, and at times their integrity fails them. For me it's not always about remaining clean, who can do that, but redemeption and facing up to what you've done wrong. Hillary lacks integrity because she tells bald faced lies without remorse or apology IMO. I don't believe having Hillary in the White House would be a good thing and if she gets the nomination I will not vote for her. I don't agree with her tactics or her platform. I don't think she's the lesser of the evils. I believe she's more of the same.
hausfrau hausfrau 8 years
I love what a uniting topic food is!
liliblu liliblu 8 years
I started laughing when I read about the pie. I'm eating a slice of cherry pie right now while I finish with a project. I missed lunch and the pie is yummy. I love apples but I have never liked apple pie.
liliblu liliblu 8 years
"She's playing the game this way because this is the type of woman she is." Exactly lula. "NAFTA, Obama's foreign policy council, Michigan/Florida, the oil tax, Ireland, the list of her lies just goes on and on." "She tells so many flat out lies, that as a democrat, it would be really hard for me to vote for her. That means that I would have to justify voting for someone that flat out lied to me." jillness I couldn't agree more.
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