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Ireland Released Five Volumes on Abuses, But No Names

Ireland released an extensive report yesterday revealing that more than one thousand children were beaten, neglected, or raped at Catholic reform schools. The five-volume accounting took nine years to compile and covers six decades, but it doesn't include a single name of a priest, brother, or nun who abused children at the Catholic institutions. A religious order in question successfully sued the government in 2004 to keep the names secret. Thus, the perpetrators of rape and other physical, emotional, and sexual abuse are free from criminal prosecutions. Now victims say they've been cheated of justice.

While the victims feel vindicated by the inquiry, many maintain that they never would have opened their wounds if they knew it would result in zero criminal accountability. The report did offer over 20 ways the government could address the wrongs, including: building a monument, improving child protection services, and providing counseling to the victims. The Catholic Church in Ireland has also apologized.

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emososays17 emososays17 6 years
My mother was born in 1947 Ireland. She grew up in the era of being taught and hit ruthlessly by nuns. She once had her skull cracked by being thrown into a blackboard. Needless to say my mom's an anxiety freak as an adult. It doesn't say much for our religion because as any good Catholic (or Christian, or whatever) you just want to be a good person, the nuns by being so abusive completely negated any sort of teachings of love.
Janine22 Janine22 6 years
This is so disgusting to me. Why are they so interested in protecting abusers, and are these people still living and working with children? I am horrified.
Phil Phil 6 years
I'm glad I don't invest in any religious nonsense in general. Spirituality can be, has been achieved without religious dogma. Imagine a world without religion.
Great-Sommelier Great-Sommelier 6 years
Just shows we see what we want to see, and who the "open minded" people really are.
Great-Sommelier Great-Sommelier 6 years
And are you reading the same comments? "I'm glad not to be catholic " "I am also very glad I am not a Catholic. I would be ashamed." Yet I'm the one making it about me? Nice.
Great-Sommelier Great-Sommelier 6 years
And are you reading the same comments?"I'm glad not to be catholic ""I am also very glad I am not a Catholic. I would be ashamed."Yet I'm the one making it about me? Nice.
Great-Sommelier Great-Sommelier 6 years
And what are my beliefs? I'm not Catholic.
telane telane 6 years
@ fcseamstress - The Vatican only cares about preserving its financial standing and maintaining its control over its sheep (who by participating in this atrocious religion are nearly as bad). That is the most cruel thing I have ever heard . You cannot lump together the corrupt leaders of a religious institution with the religion's innocent followers. I would never ever denounce a whole group of people based on a few. I would be ashamed to be closed minded and judgmental enough to do so.
telane telane 6 years
@ fcseamstress - <i>The Vatican only cares about preserving its financial standing and maintaining its control over its sheep (who by participating in this atrocious religion are nearly as bad).</i> That is the most cruel thing I have ever heard . You cannot lump together the corrupt leaders of a religious institution with the religion's innocent followers. I would never ever denounce a whole group of people based on a few.I would be ashamed to be closed minded and judgmental enough to do so.
Kkkkkkkkkkk Kkkkkkkkkkk 6 years
"I bet you would get your liberal panties in a twist if someone said, I'm glad I'm not Muslim, I would be ashamed. " :o This is not a question of being liberal or conservative, this is about the systemic abuse of children over decades, and any right minded person should be outraged that it was allowed to happen, in any country or by any religious order. The Church may have created a structure which allowed that abuse to take place, but that the Irish government and social services failed those children is as scandalous as the abuse itself. All of the scandals that have come to light in the last two decades are a huge part of why I became disillusioned with the faith I was brought up in, and even though 95% of the people I know are Catholic, and good people, and I know that they can't all be tarred with the same brush, I still have huge difficulty with the Catholic church as an institution and that is why I can say I am ashamed of them.
Kkkkkkkkkkk Kkkkkkkkkkk 6 years
"I bet you would get your liberal panties in a twist if someone said, I'm glad I'm not Muslim, I would be ashamed. ":o This is not a question of being liberal or conservative, this is about the systemic abuse of children over decades, and any right minded person should be outraged that it was allowed to happen, in any country or by any religious order. The Church may have created a structure which allowed that abuse to take place, but that the Irish government and social services failed those children is as scandalous as the abuse itself. All of the scandals that have come to light in the last two decades are a huge part of why I became disillusioned with the faith I was brought up in, and even though 95% of the people I know are Catholic, and good people, and I know that they can't all be tarred with the same brush, I still have huge difficulty with the Catholic church as an institution and that is why I can say I am ashamed of them.
runningesq runningesq 6 years
So, a small few represent the whole. How open minded. I am glad I am not the same ideology as you guys, I would be ashamed. I bet you find that outrageous, but making broad sweeping statements about Catholicism is ok. I bet you would get your liberal panties in a twist if someone said, I'm glad I'm not Muslim, I would be ashamed. Great Sommelier, I don't see why anyone should be ashamed to agree that YES, anyone - INCLUDING men of the cloth - should be prosecuted, and if found guilty beyond a reasonable doubt (at least in the U.S. - I'm not sure how criminal courts work in Ireland), sent to jail. This particular case is not unique -- there have been many instances of priests sexually abusing young boys and simply transfered to another parish. I don't think it's unreasonable to believe that the Vatican has an interest in protecting their own. I do not have an issue with Catholicism itself - I don't share the same beliefs, but I believe that everyone is entitled to worhip - or not - how he or she sees fit. It does appear, however, that those in charge of the faith often abuse their power.
runningesq runningesq 6 years
<i>So, a small few represent the whole. How open minded. I am glad I am not the same ideology as you guys, I would be ashamed. I bet you find that outrageous, but making broad sweeping statements about Catholicism is ok. I bet you would get your liberal panties in a twist if someone said, I'm glad I'm not Muslim, I would be ashamed. </i>Great Sommelier, I don't see why anyone should be ashamed to agree that YES, anyone - INCLUDING men of the cloth - should be prosecuted, and if found guilty beyond a reasonable doubt (at least in the U.S. - I'm not sure how criminal courts work in Ireland), sent to jail.This particular case is <b>not unique</b> -- there have been many instances of priests sexually abusing young boys and simply transfered to another parish.I don't think it's unreasonable to believe that the Vatican has an interest in protecting their own.I do not have an issue with Catholicism itself - I don't share the same beliefs, but I believe that everyone is entitled to worhip - or not - how he or she sees fit. It does appear, however, that those in charge of the faith often abuse their power.
Smacks83 Smacks83 6 years
I just want to clarify (because so many are going on a huge anti-catholic tirade). I am not against Catholics or their religion (I've know quite a number of people who were helped through their dark times because of their religion and their beliefs in Catholicism. I've also know some instances in which someone in all rights should have been killed in accidents and yet lived). GS, I totally understand your comments because their is nothing wrong with ALL Catholics/Church, but some of their policy handling/representatives. People are always bad-mouthing Catholics even though these kinds of tragic events happen in almost all major religions (and tend to also be swept under the table). So people, listen up: Catholics don't have the market cornered when it comes to atrocities committed by humankind. Right now it just has the most attention focused on it. The deeds of mortal men will be judged by that which is higher. I know there is something greater than myself, and it will not take too kindly on people like this. But don't confuse the actions of people with the religion itself.
Smacks83 Smacks83 6 years
I just want to clarify (because so many are going on a huge anti-catholic tirade). I am not against Catholics or their religion (I've know quite a number of people who were helped through their dark times because of their religion and their beliefs in Catholicism. I've also know some instances in which someone in all rights should have been killed in accidents and yet lived).GS, I totally understand your comments because their is nothing wrong with ALL Catholics/Church, but some of their policy handling/representatives. People are always bad-mouthing Catholics even though these kinds of tragic events happen in almost all major religions (and tend to also be swept under the table).So people, listen up: Catholics don't have the market cornered when it comes to atrocities committed by humankind. Right now it just has the most attention focused on it.The deeds of mortal men will be judged by that which is higher. I know there is something greater than myself, and it will not take too kindly on people like this. But don't confuse the actions of people with the religion itself.
Great-Sommelier Great-Sommelier 6 years
So, a small few represent the whole. How open minded. I am glad I am not the same ideology as you guys, I would be ashamed. I bet you find that outrageous, but making broad sweeping statements about Catholicism is ok. I bet you would get your liberal panties in a twist if someone said, I'm glad I'm not Muslim, I would be ashamed.
fcseamstress fcseamstress 6 years
And this is yet another reason why I despise the Catholic 'church'. I was baptized Catholic before I could have a say against it, but lucky for me my husband doesn't hold it against me. This situation reminds me of the 9 year old in Brazil that was raped and impregnated (with twins!!) by her step-father and when her mother helped her get an abortion the Catholic church excommunicated her, her mother and all the docs & nurses who assisted, but nothing was done to the step-father. The Vatican only cares about preserving its financial standing and maintaining its control over its sheep (who by participating in this atrocious religion are nearly as bad). Sorry if that was harsh, but this institution makes me very angry very easily.
fcseamstress fcseamstress 6 years
And this is yet another reason why I despise the Catholic 'church'. I was baptized Catholic before I could have a say against it, but lucky for me my husband doesn't hold it against me.This situation reminds me of the 9 year old in Brazil that was raped and impregnated (with twins!!) by her step-father and when her mother helped her get an abortion the Catholic church excommunicated her, her mother and all the docs & nurses who assisted, but nothing was done to the step-father.The Vatican only cares about preserving its financial standing and maintaining its control over its sheep (who by participating in this atrocious religion are nearly as bad).Sorry if that was harsh, but this institution makes me very angry very easily.
Kkkkkkkkkkk Kkkkkkkkkkk 6 years
There's also an interview with her here: http://www.hvk.org/articles/0905/103.html
Kkkkkkkkkkk Kkkkkkkkkkk 6 years
There's also an interview with her here:http://www.hvk.org/articles/0905/103.html
Kkkkkkkkkkk Kkkkkkkkkkk 6 years
I am a non-practicing Irish Catholic and I'm extremely ashamed that these people a) were given the opportunity to perpetrate these crimes, over and over and over, with the full knowledge of church and state, without any attempt ever being made to stop them, and that b) they are now allowed to maintain their anonymity and there is to be no attempt made to bring them to justice. I'm also ashamed that the victims were not allowed to attend the launch of the report yesterday and that they were treated like criminals all over again. As I heard one of these victims say on the radio today, you can only vindicate someone of something if they were considered guilty of something in the first place, and these children were guilty of nothing, they were locked away and treated like criminals and in many cases their only crime was to be born to a poor family or an unmarried mother. Another man spoke of his experiences today and he had been sent to the industrial school for years for throwing stones at a window!! Condemned to lose his childhood for throwing stones... it beggars belief. Another woman, who is now a magistrate in the UK, was sent back to the industrial school she escaped from after she raped by a neighbour at the age of 8. The courts decided this meant her she was in the care of an "unfit mother" and she and two sisters were sent away until the age of 16. She's written a book about it called Childhood Interrupted if anyone's interested in reading more about this scandal.
Kkkkkkkkkkk Kkkkkkkkkkk 6 years
I am a non-practicing Irish Catholic and I'm extremely ashamed that these people a) were given the opportunity to perpetrate these crimes, over and over and over, with the full knowledge of church and state, without any attempt ever being made to stop them, and that b) they are now allowed to maintain their anonymity and there is to be no attempt made to bring them to justice. I'm also ashamed that the victims were not allowed to attend the launch of the report yesterday and that they were treated like criminals all over again.As I heard one of these victims say on the radio today, you can only vindicate someone of something if they were considered guilty of something in the first place, and these children were guilty of nothing, they were locked away and treated like criminals and in many cases their only crime was to be born to a poor family or an unmarried mother. Another man spoke of his experiences today and he had been sent to the industrial school for years for throwing stones at a window!! Condemned to lose his childhood for throwing stones... it beggars belief. Another woman, who is now a magistrate in the UK, was sent back to the industrial school she escaped from after she raped by a neighbour at the age of 8. The courts decided this meant her she was in the care of an "unfit mother" and she and two sisters were sent away until the age of 16. She's written a book about it called Childhood Interrupted if anyone's interested in reading more about this scandal.
Hiding55 Hiding55 6 years
The names should absolutely be be named and the people who committed these crimes should be brought to justice. I am also very glad I am not a Catholic. I would be ashamed. The Catholic church disgusts me.
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