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John McCain on the Ellen Degeneres Show

John McCain Chats Marriage With Ellen, Plans V(i)P BBQ

John McCain stopped by the Ellen Degeneres show yesterday, where talk turned. . . respectfully tense over the issue of gay marriage and Ellen's pending nuptials. Calling it "the elephant in the room" Ellen asked McCain to explain his position. McCain believes same-sex couples should be allowed legal unions for insurance and other purposes, but he opposes gay marriage and believes in "the unique status of marriage between and man and a woman." McCain said, "and I know that we have a respectful disagreement on that issue." McCain opposes an amendment to the Constitution to ban same-sex unions. To see how Ellen responded and McCain's plans for a Veepstakes BBQ,

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Ellen gave back, saying "We are all the same people, all of us. You're no different than I am. Our love is the same. When someone says, 'You can have a contract, and you'll still have insurance, and you'll get all that,' it sounds to me like saying, 'Well, you can sit there, you just can't sit there.' It feels like we are not, you know, we aren't owed the same things and the same wording."

They parted friends though, McCain saying, "I, along with many, many others, wish you every happiness." Ellen pounced on the opportunity to lobby for a four-star escort. "So, you'll walk me down the aisle? Is that what you're saying?"

McCain's answer? "Touche." Check out the exchange — I think they kept it very civilized. Are you an Ellen fan? Can you imagine McCain walking her down the aisle?

In other McCain news, his weekend BBQ guest list is grabbing all kinds of attention from Veepstakes speculators. Though McCain insists the event is purely social, when Charlie Crist, Bobby Jindal, and Mitt Romney make s'mores with the Senator, people wonder whose buns might be about to get buttered. . . .

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Frank-y-Ava Frank-y-Ava 8 years
i saw the clip and she put his ass to shame! McCain an idiot and shouldn't talk to a gay person about why gay marriage is "wrong"!
historymystery historymystery 8 years
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought parental love was unconditional? And again, correct me if I am wrong, but I though homosexuality was not a crime? And if it is not a crime, then how are there victims? And correct me if I am wrong, but it is my understanding that an individual understanding and accepting everything about themselves was a good thing and by and large does not destroy that individual's life. So please explain how hopes have been dashed (beyond the hopes for a heterosexual marriage), please explain how all those years of parenting and raising that child have been 'tossed aside'. That makes absolutely no sense at all to me. Just what is it about the child coming to accept and know who they are is a bad thing? Is it simply because part of that is that the child is gay? Because, you know, it's NOT a bad thing at all. Gay people live perfectly normal, functional, fulfilling lives, just like heterosexual people. They're still PEOPLE, people with feelings, thoughts, dreams, hopes, talents, skills, capabilities.
CaterpillarGirl CaterpillarGirl 8 years
Cantgothere, no I am not a parent BUT I have relatives who have gone through what you have and they no longer have any sort of relationship with thier child. I know , from them, that losing your "dream" of what you thought was the correct future for your child is much like mourning a death, and some people take it differently than others. Some feel betrayed, angry, and a sense of loss so profound it can turn your life upside down. You sound very angry, and victimized by your daughters decision,a nd right now all you can think is negative thoughts ,and really i cant blame you but I know that its not healthy to hold onto ...you may not see her as doing anything fruitful in the future(like having children) but thats not always the case. I would tell you that if you are religious, or belong to a church, seek counseling. If not, than seek counseling anyway and come to some level of understanding. Like i said you dont have to agree with her lifestyle, but as a parent you must make compromises for the sake of love and senility.
syako syako 8 years
kj, what is that?
KJerabek KJerabek 8 years
I wonder how Ellen feels about Obama's "separate but equal" comments and plan.
Bookish Bookish 8 years
I am a bit curious about the "victim's rights" part of the comment. No crime has been committed. I understand that victims of mugging or harassment or theft have rights- but I don't understand why that would apply here. I'm not trying to be rude, cantgothere, but could you explain a bit? I'm not understanding your viewpoint on this matter. I'm not unsympathetic- if this was a surprise, it must have been shocking to you, and when people are in shock they aren't perhaps as reasonable or well-spoken as they'd like to be. I would urge you to examine and reconsider your feelings- she is still the same person you loved before she came out, and she no doubt loves you enough to confide in you, which must have been difficult. Your devastation has probably hurt her more than you know. It would be a terrible shame for either of you to throw away her entire life's worth of love and memories, your relationship, and your future together as a family over this. As a daughter who is estranged from her mother, I can say, it is terribly painful, and I hope your family is able to come to terms with this and work it out- for your sake, and for hers.
jennifer76 jennifer76 8 years
Real victims. Jeebus. I'm all worked up now.
jennifer76 jennifer76 8 years
I'm a parent and I can't even comprehend the sentiments expressed above. If a child wanted to toss their parents aside, do you really think they would go through the fear and heartache of coming out to said parents? They'd toss you aside and go on with their lives. Not care whether you knew what they were up to or what they were going through. A child comes out to parents they care about and want involved in their lives. I want to hug a certain daughter.
Kimpossible Kimpossible 8 years
I am a parent to 4 children and I agree with pop - I feel sorry for you, can't, and not because your daughter is gay. All I want for my children is for them to live happy, productive, fulfilling lives. If part of that fulfillment, and happiness comes from a homosexual relationship, I'll support them 100% and love them no less than I have since the day they were conceived. Pop by the way I ROFL with your "checking hell to make sure all the homo's arrived safely" comment... very good.
Bookish Bookish 8 years
I won't say much on the topic, except that I am a parent, and that if either of my sons were to come to me and say that they were gay, I would be pleased they felt close enough to me to talk to me about it, and I would be proud of them for knowing who they were and not hiding it- which is a brave thing to do.
cantgothere cantgothere 8 years
Again, none of this feedback is from parents. Hmmmm? We have no choice but to accept what our daughter has done but I am only speaking to the heartache parents feel when the hopes for their children are dashed. We want all of you to live and let live your lives as you see fit but we desire those left in your wake to have a right to feelings also. Again, victims rights in this country are grossly overlooked.
terryt18 terryt18 8 years
cantgothere- Wow. I'm glad my parents weren't like you. There are so many wonderful things that can happen in your daughter's life now that she is being true to who she is. You should be so proud of her.
mondaymoos mondaymoos 8 years
My heart got sick a little at cantgothere's comments. It's making me want to volunteer for a help-hotline. And (for once) I'm not being sarcastic. :cry:
harmonyfrance harmonyfrance 8 years
Why wouldn't she have children? Lesbian couples can have children too.
MarinerMandy MarinerMandy 8 years
The true victims in this controversy? Are you freaking kiding me? I'm with pop, I feel extremely sorry for you. I don't have children right now, but I can assure you that if one of them ends up being gay I will be happy that they were able to figure it out and felt comfortable coming to me with it. Do you have any idea how hard it must have been for your daughter to do that? I had a good friend in high school who went through so, so, so much when he realized he was gay. He really suffered through it for many years. I have absolutely no sympathy for you. Did you only have children so they could get married to a person of the opposite sex and give you grandchildren? I just can't imagine caring so little about what makes your child happy.
popgoestheworld popgoestheworld 8 years
I feel very sorry for you cantgothere, and it's not because your child is gay.
Jessiebanana Jessiebanana 8 years
So I've only read the first page and I'd like to apoloize if I'm repeating anything (I have to get back to work soon). I agree with the state having no hand in marriage and that their should be civil unions for all, but I also agree that that "marriage" became a egal status when the state started giving it licenses. If the the options on the table included getting rid of marriage in place of civil union and everyone gay or straight could get one, then I would support that. If those civil unions were the only thing recognized by the state and church marriage was just for your own personal use then sure, but that option isn't on the table and I support equality. Separate but equal doesn't exist, we've been down this road before, and to say that gay people can have the same as straight is damaging to the progress we are making in society towards "justice for all." We have separation of church and state for a reason. So that we are free to practice our own beliefs and so that our personal beliefs don't get in the way of human rights. If your religion doesn't support gay marriage you are free not to get one. I would spew divorce rates but this isn't about that. This is about equality. With all that said I'm a lesbian and while I respect Ellen's calm I don't criticize Rosie and others because this IS personal. When you have a stable loving relationship and children, as she has, it is understandable how much it would hurt for someone to tell you that you and your family are lesser than them. I'm female and a person of color in this country and I don't know know if I can handle anymore inequality. It makes me sad a depressed to know that despite that fact that I'm in college, work and volunteer that to some, hell many, I'm a lesser person for things I can't change. It makes you feel stupid to be proud to be American and compels you to leave.
cantgothere cantgothere 8 years
caterpillargirl (and those who have also emailed), we appreciate your feedback. Need to ask, however, if you are a parent? If not, you can't know what it is like to invest so many, many years of time, energy, devotion and money only to have it all tossed aside by a child who now feels so free. There are days we hope she chokes on her freedoms. Ironically, she will never have children and therefore know these sorrows.
CaterpillarGirl CaterpillarGirl 8 years
Cantgothere, and you have every right to feel hurt, I am sorry that you have to go through this, i am sure your daughter loves you very much but she feels like this is her life now and unfortunately alot of parents of gay kids get "forgotten" because they dont throw a coming out party. You may not ever accept her choices but always be there for her to talk to.
cantgothere cantgothere 8 years
Excuse us for feeling rather flat per the marriage/union debate by John and Ellen. We are typical midlife parents who are still reeling over the news that our own daughter is gay. It is so hurtful that all these "freedoms and rights" are founded on the shoulders of heartbroken parents all over the country. No group has ever demanded better treatment for the true victims of this controversy. The politician who acknowledges our rights as tossed aside parents will get my vote!
lilkimbo lilkimbo 8 years
Oh, and I never argued that private schools will welcome anyone and I don't think anyone would ever argue that. However, I think this gives students with high potential for achievement but difficultly succeeding in certain environments a chance to succeed in a different environment. And vouchers do help the poor; if you look more closely at the Cleveland program, you can easily see this.
lilkimbo lilkimbo 8 years
CMG-Instead of being condescending, maybe you should read what I said. I stated that the public schools do better when vouchers are available because they have to compete for students and, therefore, funding. So, the research that public school students do better than students who attend schools with vouchers has no bearing on my argument. The above argument also specifies why voucher programs don't negatively affect public schools to the degree that you claim. In fact, in many areas, they help public schools. I don't see what corruption has to do with offering tax credits for those who attend private schools. Where in our Constitution does it say that education is a human right? Furthermore, if you are arguing that education is a human right, you should be pleased that these programs are offered because some students who live in the inner city feel so unsafe that they cannot attend schools, but tax breaks and voucher programs give them the chance to do so.
sundaygreen sundaygreen 8 years
i'd vote for ellen if i could.
CMG CMG 8 years
lilkimbo - "How does this keep others from "protecting the right to public education?" In districts where other options become available (i.e. districts with vouchers), schools tend to get BETTER, not worse, because the schools have to compete for students." Re: Public/Private education Education 101 - When you provide tax breaks for those who can afford to pay for private school and support vouchers, you are crushing support for public education, which is and has always been recognized by our constitution, as well as the Universal Code of Human Rights, as a basic civil and human right. If Jindal is as concerned about corruption as he says, he should be supporting failing public schools (which are the schools that educate a good majority of Louisiana's police force, justice department, and politicians), not giving tax breaks to folks who are opting out of public schools and supporting voucher programs that do nothing to better the education of the majority of the state's children. Re: VOUCHERS: Voucher programs exist in several cities across the country and have been studied closely with failing results. Recent studies of the Cleveland and Milwaukee programs found that such programs fail to raise achievement scores of participating students. In some studies, Cleveland public school students who remain in public schools outperformed private school students. Moreover School vouchers do not usually help cover all the tuition and other costs of attending a private school so this does nothing for poor children that they are supposed to be helping. Moreover, the best private schools in the country will NOT welcome any child with open arms. In fact, the opposite is true. There have been several policy papers by both conservatives and liberals using Cleveland and Milwaukee as examples to argue that vouchers are a bad idea. A simple google search will bring them up.
zeze zeze 8 years
MM - exactly. My parents are the same way. The way I see it, kids will learn about being gay eventually anyway, they see it being tolerated, so the kids thing is sort of moot. I do agree that like they should censor sexuality in children's shows, to respect people's beliefs we should not start pushing homosexuality in cartoons and kids shows. Other then that, how else will a child that hasn't seen/heard of average well adjusted gay people know two men or two women are gay or not. But I have to say, it was uncomfortable when my sister asked my mom why the kid in the Will Farrel soccer movie had two moms, she had no idea the movie would contain a gay couple and I think it's her right to not want her children to see that, she is not preaching intolerance, but does want to promote a certain lifestyle. BTW, she told her they were friends who adopted him together (which is technically true).
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