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Jon Stewart on Irony: 69% of Blacks Voted For Prop. 8

While opponents of California's Proposition 8, which banned gay marriage, protest carrying signs that say "Separate Is Never Equal," they failed to find effective allies in other traditionally marginalized groups. Sixty-nine percent of African-Americans voted for Proposition 8. Thus, high turnout among that demographic eager to vote for Barack Obama also led to a defeat for proponents of marriage equality. On last night's Daily Show, Jon Stewart discussed Tuesday night's irony: America elected its first African-American president, as California wrote discrimination into its constitution.

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cnyc1a cnyc1a 7 years
One more thing Obama needs to speak out on why the organizations that were supporting Yes on 8 were using his speech. I don't give a shit what dog he is getting. I want to know how many people did we exploit to really win this election including those that supported you.
cnyc1a cnyc1a 7 years
I'm truly convinced that many minorities had a hard time understanding the language in Prop 8. It was written in a confusing text. I'm not sure how people can be so judgemental of each-other when they themselves are not perfect. I guess it human nature. I'm optimistic thought that this will be over-turned.
lorenashley lorenashley 7 years
how can they even measure the amount? were they marking the ballots by race or something? give me a break.
lorenashley lorenashley 7 years
and 89% of conservative whites did too! so what???? lots of gays are walking around calling blacks the N word...why is everything being blamed on "us" just because lots of blacks voted on it..it's all blacks fault? yeah right.... if it wasnt on the fucking ballot there would be no issue with this. deal with it. fuck jon stewart.
thatsmajor thatsmajor 7 years
I live in Los Angeles and everyday I saw commercials and signs begging people to vote YES on 8 to "protect marriage." Are you kidding me??? If we really wanted to "protect marriage," why not just outlaw divorce?? This is so ridiculous to me!! It honestly breaks my heart to see such discrimination alive today.
thelea thelea 7 years
I am upset about this erroneous finger pointing at African-Americans regarding Proposition 8. Why are you so quick to believe whatever you hear? If someone told me 70 percent of gay people voted against Obama my first thought would be, excuse me Jesus, that is crap! I don't believe it! This political year was fraught with right wing lies. Bear that in mind. "Religious organizations that support Proposition 8 include the Roman Catholic Church], Knights of Columbus, Union of Orthodox Jewish Congregations of America, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (Mormons) a group of Evangelical Christians led by Jim Garlow and Miles McPherson, American Family Association, Focus on the Family[and the National Organization for Marriage Rick Warren, pastor of Saddleback Church, California's largest, has also endorsed the measure. The Bishops of the California Catholic Conference released a statement supporting the proposition. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (Mormons) has publicly supported the proposition and encouraged their membership to support it, by asking its members to donate money and volunteer time. The First Presidency of the church announced its support for Proposition 8 in a letter read in every congregation. Latter-day Saints have provided a significant source for financial donations in support of the proposition, both inside and outside the State of California. About 45% of out-of-state contributions to Protect Marriage.com has come from Utah, over three times more than any other state." Still, even though gays were fighting to preserve a basic right, it was the anti-equality side in California that seemed to have the most fervor. A symbolic low point for the gay side came on Oct. 13, when the Sacramento Bee ran a remarkable story about Rick and Pam Patterson, a Mormon couple of modest means - he drives a 10-year-old Honda Civic, she raises their five boys - who had withdrawn $50,000 from their savings account and given it to the pro-8 campaign. "It was a decision we made very prayerfully," Pam Patterson, 48, told the Bee's Jennifer Garza. "Was it an easy decision? No. But it was a clear decision, one that had so much potential to benefit our children and their children.” This is your real enemy. Don't trust exit polls. I think they are pitting one group against the other. African-Americans are less than 7% of the state population, do the math. Many more Whites voted and they put this over, not Blacks. What are the total numbers of each group that voted. Someone dug into the data and found that we're just now learning is that the exit poll was based on less than 2,300 people. If you take into account that blacks in California only make up about 6.2%, we get roughly 224 blacks who were polled. 224 blacks to blame an entire race! The original percentage of black voters who were expected to say yes to Prop 8 was only around 52-58%. Anytime you get a vote that much higher over the projected vote, something went wrong. I know someone who watches C-Span and they said most Blacks did not even address the question at all. And they do not have the money to fund a tens of millions of dollars Proposition 8 campaign. Note that they also targeted affirmative action for eradication in another state.I cannot believe that these groups get a pass and Blacks are being targeted for the blame game. Rather than be upset at the phantom African-American menace, fight like hell. There is no right wing black conspiracy against gay Americans. When you tried to align your struggle with that of Blacks you inherited their enemies. These same enemies are now trying to pit one against the other because they fear the combined numbers of both. How many gay activists supported the civil rights movement in the 1960’s? Then how do you automatically expect support in return? Have you asked Blacks to support you or did you just assume? No one gave Obama anything and they will not give gays anything either. Obama stands on the shoulders of a lot of brave people who gave their lives for him to stand on that podium last night. Never trust exits polls because in all my years of life, no one has ever been seen at a polling place asking anyone anything when they left. Don't fall for the lies.
Jessiebanana Jessiebanana 7 years
Yeah I just thought I'd let Dave's comment speak for itself. It is pretty bad and needs no highlight or embellishment on my part.
harmonyfrance harmonyfrance 7 years
UD you seriously need to chill with the stereotypes.
UnDave35 UnDave35 7 years
Actually, I know and work with a lot of them, and yes, I don't have a whole lot of respect for their lifestyles. The fact that their (the teachers and professors) decisions with insurance depend on how much it will take away from their "drinking money" gives me a pretty solid reason to question their professionalism as teachers.
Jessiebanana Jessiebanana 7 years
Dave did you read the second half of my comment that applied to students and not professors. Also your ignorance is really showing if you think earning the Ph.D. you need to become a professor and conducting research discovering new breakthroughs in science and politics is "because they couldn't make it in the real world." I shudder to know what you think of k-12 educators, you must not have a lot of respect for them either.
organicsugr organicsugr 7 years
My college education is little more than liberal indoctrination.
UnDave35 UnDave35 7 years
"I'm not going to touch the subject of receiving higher education making you smarter or dumber, since I would first have to argue what is smart and socio-economic issues. What I will say is there is something about receiving a formal education (and being forced to read The Republic by Plato, as someone receiving said education now) that alters your political leanings and at a baser level your way of thinking and processing information." Or maybe a those professors who are liberal are teaching because they couldn't make it in the real world.
dreamsugar dreamsugar 7 years
Hey -- anyone get the break down of Prop 2 in Florida??? Funny no one's mentioning race in Florida -- but we all know that.....oh -- don't let me get started :rant:
Jessiebanana Jessiebanana 7 years
I am black, my mom is too who lived through the civil rights movement. She nor I see it as a slap in the to face compare. She says that in that moment white people felt as justified and passionate about segregation as people against gay marriage feel. She says they used the same protection rhetoric.
dreamsugar dreamsugar 7 years
And there is NO way that the black vote is that powerful in California -- I just don't believe that and if you live here you know.
dreamsugar dreamsugar 7 years
It is important to recall that the Yes on 8 Campaign deliberately lied to and deceived black voters. They funded mailers and the robocalls falsely implying that Sen. Obama was in favor of Prop 8. Going forward we must be aware that anti-gay activists, including the hierarchy of the Mormon and Catholic churches, will say or do anything in a campaign, no matter how dishonest, and that they have now been rewarded for their duplicity and deceit. ------ The ENTIRE article can be found here: h t t p : / / w w w.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/11/08/6023 It's ridiculous to assign blame to only one group of people.
HeatherStJoeMI HeatherStJoeMI 7 years
I feel this way. Ballots have NO COLOR. Secondly Proposals in a state have nothing to do with whose running for President.
beavis667 beavis667 7 years
I don't think I ever said one or the other wasn't important. I just said they aren't the same thing. I also never said civil rights aren't important. It's intellectually dishonest to lump gay rights in with civil rights the way you liberals do.
snowbunny11 snowbunny11 7 years
beavis: perhaps if the proposition had read, "do you believe that gay civil rights should be deemed less important than racial civil rights" you might have a point. And please, just because A might be more important to some people than B does not mean B is unimportant. Most people have the ability to recognize that all civil rights are important to protect, even if they feel more strongly about one sort than the other.
beavis667 beavis667 7 years
I'm not saying discrimination is right, I'm just saying it's inaccurate to lump discrimination against gay people in with discrimination with minorites or gender. It's kind of a slap in the face of Blacks to group the struggle for gay marriage in with their struggle for civil rights. 69% of them agree obviously in California.
sidra5397 sidra5397 7 years
I'm sorry about what passed in California. It came as a complete shock to me... but then again it's just representative of what much of the world, let alone the people of that state believe about gay marriage. Yesterday my cousin from Montreal (I live in Toronto, Canada) came to stay at our house. Most of my life he gave me every reason to believe that he was open-minded and a free thinker but yesterday I found out that he's against gay marriage because of our Catholic faith. I consider myself a liberal Catholic and I thought I knew him like a brother. It's really heartbreaking and I can't imagine how Californians who voted "no" feel. I think the issue needs more time, unwavering support by those who support gay rights, and one more thing. People have to realize that religions, as beautiful as they can be, are flawed because they are man made institutions. It took me some time to figure it out, but I got there eventually.
Jessiebanana Jessiebanana 7 years
I'm not going to touch the subject of receiving higher education making you smarter or dumber, since I would first have to argue what is smart and socio-economic issues. What I will say is there is something about receiving a formal education (and being forced to read The Republic by Plato, as someone receiving said education now) that alters your political leanings and at a baser level your way of thinking and processing information. Plato is my homeboy :rock:...
Jessiebanana Jessiebanana 7 years
Someone mentioned higher education being liberal or conservative, just putting this out there... A recent paper by two sociology professors contains a useful history of scholarship on the issue and, more important, reports the results of the most careful survey yet conducted of the ideology of American academics. See Neal Gross and Solon Simmons, “The Social and Political Views of American Professors,” Sept. 24, 2007, available at http://www.wjh.harvard.edu/~ngross/lounsbery_9-25.pdf In the sample as a whole, 44 percent of professors are liberal, 46 percent moderate or centrist, and only 9 percent conservative. Students: Liberal-arts colleges and elite universities are even more liberal than other types of institution of higher education. In liberal-arts colleges, the percentages liberal, conservative, and moderate are 62 percent, 4 percent, and 35 percent, respectively; and in elite universities the figures are 44 percent, 4 percent, and 52 percent.
Jessiebanana Jessiebanana 7 years
Ditto hypnoticmix. I'd like to add that though race is on the outside people of color still had to go through Eugenics. While skin color was obviously "who you were" white people fought hard to say that skin color was representative of lesser intelligence and being. Any group willing to discriminate against another will find reason, no matter how great the contrary.
hypnoticmix hypnoticmix 7 years
"Racial minorities have been discriminated against because of who they are. Homosexuals have been discriminated against based on what they do." I'm sorry but just because skin color and gender are on the outside for everyone to see and sexual orientation isn't it doesn't make it any less what we are. My sexual expression is no more a choice than yours is. You know who you are sexually you know in your heart of hearts you're attracted to the opposite sex and it is just as much who you are as the hair on your head. Same goes for me.
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