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Kerry Swiftboater: "We Will Attack Obama Viciously"

Kerry Swiftboater: "We Will Attack Obama Viciously"

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Kerry Swiftboater: "We Will Attack Obama Viciously"
Barack Obama has been making efforts to tamp down donations to independent issue groups in an effort to control the level of negative attacks in the future. John McCain has made statements that he doesn't support 527s either, but the 527s don't seem to have gotten the message: "We will attack Obama viciously on all fair issues, whether they are national security, whether they are taxes or the economy," promised Chris LaCivita, one of the Republican strategists behind the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, the group that attacked Democratic presidential candidate John F. Kerry in 2004.

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Great-Sommelier Great-Sommelier 7 years
Bella?
Great-Sommelier Great-Sommelier 7 years
bella, is that to me? I was explaining which AA you meant to someone else.
bellaressa bellaressa 7 years
Wow, I leave and there is so much activity. I love it. AA- African Americans. Why would I bring up affirmative action, I was commenting on your comment. Maybe people really do not read what they write. I love the fact you stated- that you could understand if he was bitter'- if he was a janitor. I swear this elitist attitude. Do you know what he with through as a child or his life or doing you just judge th6e end result and not the journey.
bellaressa bellaressa 7 years
Wow, I leave and there is so much activity. I love it. AA- African Americans. Why would I bring up affirmative action, I was commenting on your comment. Maybe people really do not read what they write. I love the fact you stated- that you could understand if he was bitter'- if he was a janitor. I swear this elitist attitude. Do you know what he with through as a child or his life or doing you just judge th6e end result and not the journey.
lula29 lula29 7 years
His story is quintessentially American. Of course I've always known this, but for some people there is no way you can ever talk about race in a real, raw and even ugly way. You are always suppose to overlook it and ignore even your own experiences. Obama came of age and his book relate that tale. I don't see how any of this is shocking or disrepectful to the US. I can only image what it was like being a young brown boy, existing around others who didn't understand what you were going through as far as racism he probably faced. Writing about it probably helped him deal with that past. Why should that be demonized?
zeze zeze 7 years
I don't understand why people are so threatened by him, especially when he brings up race. It's like people have this hate or guilt even that comes spewing out, based on nothing but their uninformed emotional reactions. So he talks about the separation and the true emotions that are around until this day between whites and blacks? Big deal...oh wait a minute, you are all color blind, you don't see race and don't appreciate Obama mentioning racism and hate still exists and explaining to you why the resentment is there. African-Americans were treated in the worst possible ways for so long under a constitution that was founded on freedom, less than 50 years ago Jim Crow laws were hanging all over town, until this day African Americans don't get the benefit of the doubt in a lot of cases. Do people really expect all this to be forgotten, Americans failed the African American race for so long, of course there are problems in this relationship. Instead of all of us being so defensive and "offended" when a POLITICIAN like Obama decides to mention these problems and talks openly and honestly about them, we should embrace the refreshing openness. He is not stupid, he could lie and act like everything is all gravy and talk about how unreasonable African Americans are for having some anger towards the majority and the government - but he is not, and I for one appreciate that and welcome it. I am not an African American, so I speak based only on my understanding of the relationship, but I really thing there is a great deal of healing an learning that can be taken from Obama's approach.
Jillness Jillness 7 years
"I have brothers, sisters, nieces, nephews, uncles and cousins, of every race and every hue, scattered across three continents, and for as long as I live, I will never forget that in no other country on Earth is my story even possible. "These people are a part of me. And they are a part of America, this country that I love." You might be interested in this as well: "to wish away the resentments of white Americans, to label them as misguided or even racist, without recognizing they are grounded in legitimate concerns - this too widens the racial divide, and blocks the path to understanding." "For the African-American community, that path means embracing the burdens of our past without becoming victims of our past. It means continuing to insist on a full measure of justice in every aspect of American life. But it also means binding our particular grievances - for better health care, and better schools, and better jobs - to the larger aspirations of all Americans -- the white woman struggling to break the glass ceiling, the white man whose been laid off, the immigrant trying to feed his family. And it means taking full responsibility for own lives - by demanding more from our fathers, and spending more time with our children, and reading to them, and teaching them that while they may face challenges and discrimination in their own lives, they must never succumb to despair or cynicism; they must always believe that they can write their own destiny."
Jillness Jillness 7 years
"He a walking, breathing exemplar of what is great about America, and yet he believes ( or pretends to) that it is a cruel, unfair, and racist nation and fosters this notion in the minds of others." To me, someone who has read TONS of Obama's policies, his ideas on how to impliment them, his books, his voting record all DO NOT support what you are claiming that he believes. I really do not know where you are coming up with this. Obama said recently: "In other words, my story is a quintessentially American story. It’s the same story that has made this country a beacon for the world— a story of struggle and sacrifice on the part of my forebearers and a story overcoming great odds. I carry that story with me each and every day, It’s why I wake up every day and do this, and it’s why I continue to hold such hope for the future of a country where the dreams of its people have always been possible. Thank you."
zeze zeze 7 years
"That is because you are looking with incredibly biased eyes." Question: when you post, can you go back and reread your own comments?
lula29 lula29 7 years
GS, Obama has never said he hates America. You're interpreting his words based on your own biases. The quotes you pulled don't even back up any of your statements.
UnDave35 UnDave35 7 years
I agree Racic. I mean, the man has to have a record before you can attack him.... ;) OK Seriousily, I am actually in favor of 527s. They have as much right as anyone else to say what they want. It's up to the learned public to distinguish between true political rhetoric, and idiotic pandering. I think there needs to be a set of rules that all 527s have to follow, or face libel charges.
Auntie-Coosa Auntie-Coosa 7 years
Great Sommelier What he said, what he said. Times ten thousand times ten thousand. Or as we used to say as children to win the game: "times infinity."
Bookish Bookish 7 years
But... but... I am an academic! I'd rather have boring and factual than dramatic and mean any day of the week.
raciccarone raciccarone 7 years
I still don't understand how they're going to attack Obama's swiftboat record. Seriously. That's just a stupid strategy.
AmazonQueen AmazonQueen 7 years
There has never been any such thing as a clean race. Frankly, I don't know if I would want there to be one. (Shocking, I know). But, look at it this way. If political campaigns were clean they would be hopelessly boring, like C-Span. Soon, the only people who pay attention would be academics.
Bookish Bookish 7 years
No, stephley, you don't disappoint me! Pointing out bias isn't the same thing as calling someone an ignorant and emotional fool, or a maniacal harridan.
stephley stephley 7 years
Sorry to disappoint your wish so quickly Bookish!
stephley stephley 7 years
Yes GS, and clearly you're simply being reasonably analytical of the man and are in no way biased against him.
Bookish Bookish 7 years
I know it's naive, but I can't express how much I wish that everyone would just run a clean race. The candidates AND the people who support candidates. Point out policy differences, differences in voting records, and what the candidate plans to do if he or she is elected- certainly! But fearmongering, lies, mudslinging, pandering to sexism or racism or ageism or just meanness- it's disgusting.
Great-Sommelier Great-Sommelier 7 years
That is because you are looking with incredibly biased eyes.
stephley stephley 7 years
Psycho Chamber of Commerce reference is to: "knows it is THE land of opportunity, knows that it is the fairest society on earth, the most generous society to the outsider, the abandoned child, the mixed-race boy of meager means, and yet he misleads those who have not come as far as he has." Comparison reference re: do you know what you're talking about?: "he and his family still see America through the eyes of Kruschev, Castro, and Ahmedinijad." I've never heard Obama say that "it is a cruel, unfair, and racist nation"... I've heard him say he loves this country, I've heard him express gratitude for the things he's been able to achieve as an American, I've heard him suggest we need an honest dialogue on race. I don't recognize the person in your character assassination as Obama. Sorry.
hausfrau hausfrau 7 years
Well if it were up to me all 527s would be banned, I always thought those swift boat people didn't seem very credible...
Great-Sommelier Great-Sommelier 7 years
And bella, what are you talking about. I think AA meant african american, not affimative action.
Great-Sommelier Great-Sommelier 7 years
Ok stephly, psycho chamber of commerce? Really? And none of you have anything to actually say about what I wrote. You are either just attacking me personally or spewing the same Hail Obama ad nauseum. What about this: Isn't that the most alarming thing about the man? He a walking, breathing exemplar of what is great about America, and yet he believes ( or pretends to) that it is a cruel, unfair, and racist nation and fosters this notion in the minds of others. I might understand his attitude and that of those around him if because of his skin, his interracial family, the origin of his father, or his lack of privilege in childhood he had ended up bussing tables or working as a night janitor. The truly awful thing is that here is a man who KNOWS for a fact the truth about America, knows it is THE land of opportunity, knows that it is the fairest society on earth, the most generous society to the outsider, the abandoned child, the mixed-race boy of meager means, and yet he misleads those who have not come as far as he has. Surely he is smart enough to know the reason that some make it in America and some do not and that even those who do not are allowed to grow fat on the backs of the American People.
harmonyfrance harmonyfrance 7 years
1. Jill I'm dying of curiosity about those two things! 2. Steph nice Laurence Olivier usage. ;) 3. How on earth did I miss this thread? They ALL have skeletons in their closets. They have to. They're politicians!
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