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McCain and Obama Assume Their Positions on Gay Marriage

With a same-sex marriage ban on the ballot in Florida, John McCain and Barack Obama have staked out their positions on what could prove to be a consequential issue again this Fall. Both candidates have weighed in on the California ballot initiative that would override the state's supreme court ruling legalizing gay marriage: Obama opposes the ban, and McCain supports it.

The candidates characterize the measure differently. McCain calls the campaign to amend California's constitution an effort "to recognize marriage as a unique institution between a man and a woman." Conversely, Obama stated that he opposed "the divisive and discriminatory efforts to amend the California Constitution."

The San Francisco Chronicle explores the candidates' records on the issue. For that information,

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Obama has said that marriage should be between a man and a woman, but that ultimately it is for the states to decide. He also supports civil unions (which are not completely kosher with everyone in the gay community). McCain also wants to leave it up to the states. He opposed a federal constitutional amendment, but backed a similar losing Arizona initiative that would have banned same-sex marriage and domestic partnerships.

While California will undoubtedly vote Obama, as the Chronicle points out, Florida is a toss up. Will positions on gay marriage once again be a national litmus test for the candidates? Could it make or break their chances to pick up Florida? Who do you think is on the right side of the debate this time around?

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dikke-kus dikke-kus 6 years
OH this again. Why don't we all just let them be married for Pete's sake. Then after ten years after they break up - statistics say they will, they can all go through divorce hearings just like the rest of us and fight about alimony and processions and money. They can have fun with cheating and hiring P.I's and to much porn and the whole chi bang. Because in the end that's all that's left after the important religious ceremony. I'm sick of it. Just let them all be and do what they want. Then maybe everyone will just shut up about it. I have a close gay friend who lived with his partner ten years. His partner died and the day of the funeral his family came in and took his money, his processions and you know what? They didn't even pay for his funeral. What a family. Can you imagine that? That's when I decided that gay marriage should be OK. To protect the righteous and punish the evil.
UnDave35 UnDave35 8 years
I know. I was just being snarky.
kastarte2 kastarte2 8 years
UnDave, Pretty sure there are enough parentless children in the world that if women wanted to get abortions, there would still be plenty to go around. I know many people who have adopted and no one as of yet has complained about a shortage of babies.
amybdk amybdk 8 years
HA!!! :faint: legos..... i love it.
popgoestheworld popgoestheworld 8 years
"I'm curious, how does a couple who are same sex build a family?" -- Usually with legos
UnDave35 UnDave35 8 years
I didn't mean you personally, I apologize. Since we have so many people wanting to adopt, maybe we can get women to put their babies up for adoption instead of going in for an abortion.
lovelie lovelie 8 years
**I sense skepticism. Well I guess you can call it what you want, although I don't know if *I* called it build. I will check.
UnDave35 UnDave35 8 years
So when you say build a family, you really mean "build" a family.
lovelie lovelie 8 years
UnDave- They adopt usually, or have a surrogate.
UnDave35 UnDave35 8 years
I'm curious, how does a couple who are same sex build a family?
rabidmoon rabidmoon 8 years
Same. At the end of the day, marriage is being treated as some sort of "constitutional right" of only part of our population. As if straight people were the only ones who wanted to feel bound to their partner, gay people are denied this expression of fidelity. Why? The topic should not be determining our president, but at the same time my heart goes out to human beings whose desire to make a legal and lifelong commitment to a partner is being denied to them, and instead that cause being used as a political playing card. Its a bit sick that in this modern age, anyone really has a problem with homosexuality, much less monogamous, loving partners who happen to be homosexual. Who cares?? What does their personal life have to do with these people who are against it? As if homosexuality caused all evil in the world, as if it was the turning point into hell to allow it, people that adamantly are against it utterly confuse me. Go find something more relevant to protest, and leave those poor people alone to live their lives as they see fit, ffs. GRRR!! The ignorance of people just gets to me sometimes.
harmonyfrance harmonyfrance 8 years
I don't support gay marriage because it goes against religion. I support it because banning it is discriminatory and I think everyone deserves a chance to be happy and build a family no matter what their sexual orientation. It's an unalienable right.
Kimpossible Kimpossible 8 years
ok and not to say that homosexuals don't deserve passion for their cause, I did not mean it that way if it sounds like that. I just don't see why some people get all up in arms over this issue when it comes to the presidency, I would think there would be other issues that would take priority.
Kimpossible Kimpossible 8 years
personally I also don't understand why this is such a big issue, such a determining factor in the presidential race. I mean don't we have bigger issues that should be addressed with more passion than this issue?
Jude-C Jude-C 8 years
Not speaking for anyone else, but I personally am against a ban not because of some desire to subvert Christianity, but rather because I see no reason on earth why it should be banned. Like stephley says, it seems a simple human right.
stephley stephley 8 years
"the left is in favor of it because it goes against religion." Religion has nothing to do with it - It's a human rights issue.
Auntie-Coosa Auntie-Coosa 8 years
Sen. Barack Hussein Obama: "If it disagrees with what I currently believe, it's divisive." Sen. John Sidney McCain: "Can we use reason, historical context, and tradition to reach a consensus?" Sen BHO tosses out the word "divisive" at every opportunity, yet he claims to be the "uniter" of all Americans. Seems to me he divides with his phraseology more often than he unites. Sen JSMcC is the calmer reasoning voice without the mesmerizing (hypnotizing) "preacher tones." But what the Pro-Gay-Marriage people haven't thought of yet is that a "married gay couple" can't just separate when one of them finds a more compatible partner. Now they'll have to go through Divorce Court. COSTLY Divorce Court. And in Commonwealth and Community Property States a VERY COSTLY Divorce Court. I'm waiting for the uproar and the "it's not fair" chants of the "married gay couples" when they find out that they got what they asked for and now they must pay the lawyer and the legal fees. Shoulda just stayed the way it was. Don't ask, don't tell. No one cares about who, how, when, what, or where of your same-gender sexual escapades. You don't see Hetero-couples acting out the way Homo-couples do. I wonder why? Yeah, I wonder why . . . but I know the answer. And so do the Homo-couples.
UnDave35 UnDave35 8 years
Just stopping in to say hi, thanks for the port, and read some posts. Does this really suprise anyone? The right opposes it for religious reasons, the left is in favor of it because it goes against religion. Let's go debate something we have a chance of debating...
Jude-C Jude-C 8 years
Those are some really good thoughts, I think, Kimpossible. The rabbi for whom I work mentioned that for people who feel homosexuality is immoral, they fear that their children will see that gay people can get married, and decide that homosexuality is not immoral since the state sanctions gay marriages. (And then there's the more irrational extrapolation that the children might then turn gay--but I know not many people really believe this).
Kimpossible Kimpossible 8 years
I saw the previews for that show with the woman who went to live with the gay couple and it got me to thinking about her and people like her and the only thing I can think of as to why they are so against gay marriage is out of fear. I think they have this belief that if God is against it (and they believe God is against homosexuality) then they shouldn't support it or they too will face His wrath, it's like a sin of association. I think they think that if they support homosexuals and their right to marry then they are going against God and don't want to be punished in some way for it. It sounds cooky I know but it's the only thing I can come up with without actually talking to the people and asking them why they're so against it. Plus I remember when I was a very devout practicing religious person and the things I believed out of fear.
kastarte2 kastarte2 8 years
I remember being in High School and first learning that homosexual couples couldn't get married. At the time, I was shocked. I just naturally assumed that two people who loved each other could get married. My stepmother once told me that she and some of her business associates are anti gay marriage because they don't want to have to cover the spouses of their gay employees with the company's health care plans or pay out any other benifits. It is cheaper for the company if their gay employees stay single and can't put spouses on the health care plan. Just thought I would mention it because it is a non religious/ moral reason for being anti gay marriage. It is a greedy fiscal reason. I always thought it was BS.
hausfrau hausfrau 8 years
Not soon, but I'll keep you posted ;)
MartiniLush MartiniLush 8 years
cab - publishing a cookbook anytime soon??
gitsie123 gitsie123 8 years
Pop, I came to that conclusion as well
harmonyfrance harmonyfrance 8 years
See I do have some conservative beliefs, but this is where it's always reaffirmed that I'm a liberal. I personally know dozens of commited gay couples who want to get married and can't torgelson. So I guess it depends on who you ask. But I do get your point. ;) This issue always infuriates me so I will try to stay calm, but I too don't understand why anyone cares if gays can marry. I mean I understand that some think gay people are sinning...but wouldn't they be sinning whether they were married or not? So let them sin however they want! It's between them and God. It doesn't affect you. :drinks:
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