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McCain Spokesman: US Should Leave If Iraq Wants Us Out

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McCain Spokesman: US Should Leave If Iraq Wants Us Out
Aides to Sen. John McCain sought on Wednesday to clear up their boss's position on Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki's recent insistence that a timetable for the withdrawal of US troops be included in any security agreement between the two countries. "John McCain has always been clear that American forces operate in Iraq only with the consent of that country's democratically elected government," said Michael Goldfarb, a McCain spokesman.

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lilkimbo lilkimbo 7 years
I guess we will have to agree to disagree, as I have been studying Obama and his positions for a while now as well (since he burst on to the national scene in 2004, following the Ryan incident). I don't think his position has shown major shifts (he has always wanted to get out of Iraq as quickly as possible), but I think the degree to which he talks about paying attention to the situation on the ground changes with each audience.
Jillness Jillness 7 years
I have been listening to him for a while now, and I have known consistency in his position. If you want to think otherwise, you are more than welcome to it, but he has explained his position a number of times. I am pretty secure in what I see as his position on this issue based on nearly a year of fine tooth combing of his ideas, but I am fine if you think differently. :) Sometimes we just have to agree to disagree.It seems to me that so many people said we couldn't even think about planning to get out of Iraq because major chaos would ensue. Now we have the Iraqis telling us that they are ready to start working towards the goal of troop removal, which is what Obama has been suggesting. People were suggesting that Iraq wasn't ready, but clearly they think they are. People made Obama's ideas sound like they were pie in the sky, but now we see that it was much closer to reality than what others were portraying. I still think that withdraw should be done carefully and strategically, but I also think that it is time to prioritize and see Afghanistan and Pakistan for the dangers that they are.
Jillness Jillness 7 years
I have been listening to him for a while now, and I have known consistency in his position. If you want to think otherwise, you are more than welcome to it, but he has explained his position a number of times. I am pretty secure in what I see as his position on this issue based on nearly a year of fine tooth combing of his ideas, but I am fine if you think differently. :) Sometimes we just have to agree to disagree. It seems to me that so many people said we couldn't even think about planning to get out of Iraq because major chaos would ensue. Now we have the Iraqis telling us that they are ready to start working towards the goal of troop removal, which is what Obama has been suggesting. People were suggesting that Iraq wasn't ready, but clearly they think they are. People made Obama's ideas sound like they were pie in the sky, but now we see that it was much closer to reality than what others were portraying. I still think that withdraw should be done carefully and strategically, but I also think that it is time to prioritize and see Afghanistan and Pakistan for the dangers that they are.
lilkimbo lilkimbo 7 years
And you can set a timetable and change it. But, to me, he has said many times that that is his timetable without mentioning anything about the possibility of changing it. Yes, he said in the debate you mentioned that he would be willing to change it. But he has not mentioned anything about willingness to change it in other speeches. So, maybe he changes what he says according to his audience. If that's true, how do we know which one is his true position?
lilkimbo lilkimbo 7 years
Well, that's your opinion, Jill. To me, the second quote means that he will change the way in which he brings them home, but not the fact that he will be bringing the troops home based on his timetable.
Jillness Jillness 7 years
I don't think that setting a timetable means that you are pulling out unconditionally. You can still set a time table, and if something disasterous happens change it. He has said this many times on the record in debates and interviews, etc. As I said before he was actually grilled about it at a democratic debate because he wouldn't say that he would bring them home regardless. To me, this:"I think it's incorrect to say that Obama has talked about bringing the troops home being conditional on ground conditions."...is shown to be inaccurate by this:"We will have to make tactical adjustments, listening to our commanders on the ground, to ensure that our interests in a stable Iraq are met, and to make sure that our troops are secure."
Jillness Jillness 7 years
I don't think that setting a timetable means that you are pulling out unconditionally. You can still set a time table, and if something disasterous happens change it. He has said this many times on the record in debates and interviews, etc. As I said before he was actually grilled about it at a democratic debate because he wouldn't say that he would bring them home regardless. To me, this: "I think it's incorrect to say that Obama has talked about bringing the troops home being conditional on ground conditions." ...is shown to be inaccurate by this: "We will have to make tactical adjustments, listening to our commanders on the ground, to ensure that our interests in a stable Iraq are met, and to make sure that our troops are secure."
lilkimbo lilkimbo 7 years
On March 19, he said, "In order to end this war responsibly, I will immediately begin to remove our troops from Iraq. We can responsibly remove 1 to 2 combat brigades each month. If we start with the number of brigades we have in Iraq today, we can remove all of them 16 months." "My plan to end this war will finally put pressure on Iraq's leaders to take responsibility for their future. Because we've learned that when we tell Iraq's leaders that we'll stay as long as it takes, they take as long as they want. We need to send a different message." I will admit that he did go on to say, "Let me be clear: ending this war is not going to be easy. There will be dangers involved. We will have to make tactical adjustments, listening to our commanders on the ground, to ensure that our interests in a stable Iraq are met, and to make sure that our troops are secure." However, to me, this means that he supports his timetable of having all of our troops out within 16 months, regardless of what the Iraqis want. To me, that is saying that he will make slight changes, but still not change his overall plan. A lot of people support his overall plan. However, I stand by my assertion that it is inaccurate to say that he did not set a timetable.
lilkimbo lilkimbo 7 years
On March 19, he said,"In order to end this war responsibly, I will immediately begin to remove our troops from Iraq. We can responsibly remove 1 to 2 combat brigades each month. If we start with the number of brigades we have in Iraq today, we can remove all of them 16 months.""My plan to end this war will finally put pressure on Iraq's leaders to take responsibility for their future. Because we've learned that when we tell Iraq's leaders that we'll stay as long as it takes, they take as long as they want. We need to send a different message."I will admit that he did go on to say,"Let me be clear: ending this war is not going to be easy. There will be dangers involved. We will have to make tactical adjustments, listening to our commanders on the ground, to ensure that our interests in a stable Iraq are met, and to make sure that our troops are secure."However, to me, this means that he supports his timetable of having all of our troops out within 16 months, regardless of what the Iraqis want. To me, that is saying that he will make slight changes, but still not change his overall plan. A lot of people support his overall plan. However, I stand by my assertion that it is inaccurate to say that he did not set a timetable.
lilkimbo lilkimbo 7 years
"Obama will immediately begin to remove our troops from Iraq. He will remove one to two combat brigades each month, and have all of our combat brigades out of Iraq within 16 months."Copied straight from his website. I recognize that a lot of people think this is the right thing to do, but I think it's incorrect to say that Obama has talked about bringing the troops home being conditional on ground conditions.
lilkimbo lilkimbo 7 years
"Obama will immediately begin to remove our troops from Iraq. He will remove one to two combat brigades each month, and have all of our combat brigades out of Iraq within 16 months." Copied straight from his website. I recognize that a lot of people think this is the right thing to do, but I think it's incorrect to say that Obama has talked about bringing the troops home being conditional on ground conditions.
lilkimbo lilkimbo 7 years
This has been McCain's position all along, it just got so skewed by the media. And McCain has never really been "in the back pocket" of the oil companies. If Iraq had large reserves of barley and hops, maybe...
lilkimbo lilkimbo 7 years
This has been McCain's position all along, it just got so skewed by the media. And McCain has never really been "in the back pocket" of the oil companies. If Iraq had large reserves of barley and hops, maybe...
stephley stephley 7 years
I think there's something in way McCain's statement is worded that will allow wiggle room for staying until we have the oil secured.
coco-cat coco-cat 7 years
whatever, go OBAMA
coco-cat coco-cat 7 years
whatever, go OBAMA
UnDave35 UnDave35 7 years
Maybe that's the spin we have been hearing. ;)
blondie01 blondie01 7 years
dave I also thought they just wanted out out out no matter the circumstances...
UnDave35 UnDave35 7 years
And you are welcome to your opinion. I think your wrong. Fortunately, I am also welcome to mine. :)
raciccarone raciccarone 7 years
There is no way we're leaving until Iraq passes their oil law in which US companies get at least 35% of all revenues. That's why we went in and we are not leaving without it. I guarantee if Maliki keeps up this noise, they'll be another government real quick.
UnDave35 UnDave35 7 years
If that is the case, then I stand corrected. Does that mean that if the situation doesn't allow for a withdrawal, he wouldn't do it?
Jillness Jillness 7 years
"Obama wanted a timetable set regardless of Iraqs ability to protect themselves."I gotta disagree with this. Obama has always said that a timetable would set a goal, but that it was not regardless of what was happening on the ground. He was even grilled about it at a democratic debate, because he wouldn't say absolutely that everyone would be coming home in a certain time frame no matter what. He has always been for responsible withdrawl.
Jillness Jillness 7 years
"Obama wanted a timetable set regardless of Iraqs ability to protect themselves." I gotta disagree with this. Obama has always said that a timetable would set a goal, but that it was not regardless of what was happening on the ground. He was even grilled about it at a democratic debate, because he wouldn't say absolutely that everyone would be coming home in a certain time frame no matter what. He has always been for responsible withdrawl.
UnDave35 UnDave35 7 years
I'll play along. I think Obama was wrong in that he wanted the timetable set. The difference is who is asking for the timetable. The Iraqis asking means they feel they are ready to assume control of their security. Obama wanted a timetable set regardless of Iraqs ability to protect themselves.
Kimpossible Kimpossible 7 years
LOL Jill that's one way to look at it. Another is that Obama is now saying what McCain's been saying all along ;-) I'm totally kidding by the way I don't know (and don't care) who said what first.
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