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McCain Suggests Obama Tax Policies Are Socialist

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McCain Suggests Obama Tax Policies Are Socialist Republican presidential candidate John McCain on Saturday accused Democratic rival Barack Obama of favoring a socialistic economic approach by supporting tax cuts and tax credits McCain says would merely shuffle wealth rather than creating it. "At least in Europe, the Socialist leaders who so admire my opponent are upfront about their objectives," McCain said in a radio address. "They use real numbers and honest language. And we should demand equal candor from Sen. Obama. Raising taxes on some in order to give checks to others is not a tax cut; it's just another government giveaway."

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CHOOCHOO CHOOCHOO 8 years
oh, and by no means do i want this country to turn to socialism. everyone brings up sweden as their example. income tax is said to be 55%. sales tax is said to be up to 25%. members of the church of sweden even have to pay taxes. does that mean my bubble yum will cost me $70? $75 if i am a member of church? that is a scary notion.
CHOOCHOO CHOOCHOO 8 years
oh, and by no means do i want this country to turn to socialism. everyone brings up sweden as their example. income tax is said to be 55%. sales tax is said to be up to 25%. members of the church of sweden even have to pay taxes. does that mean my bubble yum will cost me $70? $75 if i am a member of church? that is a scary notion.
CHOOCHOO CHOOCHOO 8 years
lynn, supposedly, when stocks get back up to normal, we the people will get that money from the bailouts back. depends on who's in office, i suppose. on the other hand, 'spreading the wealth around' means we don't get that money back...ever. what happens when you rely on all these peters to pay paul, and those peters peter out?
CHOOCHOO CHOOCHOO 8 years
lynn, supposedly, when stocks get back up to normal, we the people will get that money from the bailouts back. depends on who's in office, i suppose. on the other hand, 'spreading the wealth around' means we don't get that money back...ever. what happens when you rely on all these peters to pay paul, and those peters peter out?
Adrenalynn75 Adrenalynn75 8 years
I work very hard for every dime I make, so if Obama wants to give me most of it back and not give it to the government, then GO SOCIALISM! My tax dollars went toward bailing out those idiot Wall Street fatcats, so feel free to spread the wealth downwards this time instead of paying it up!
snowbunny11 snowbunny11 8 years
I think Obama chose not to dignify it with a response. I think Powell did a good job of explaining it, but maybe as far as Obama is concerned, it's better just for people to draw their own conclusions. I mean, if McCain constantly puts him on the defensive; "I'm not a terrorist! I'm not a socialist! I don't hate white people! I'm not a Muslim!" eventually it's just going to detract attention from real issues, apparently like how out of touch McCain is...
snowbunny11 snowbunny11 8 years
I heart monster- I am not sure exactly if or when Obama has refuted the "socialist" accusations, but I just watching this interview with Powell and he talks about it near the end of his interview! Go figure that a more economically conservative Obama supporter would address this:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9LbLxja4UHY&eurl=http://jezebel.com/5065608/colin-powell-obama-would-be-a-transformational-president?cpage=1&sort=ascSOrry I don't know how to embed the video or make the link look pretty. It's from a CNN interview this morning with Powell.
snowbunny11 snowbunny11 8 years
I heart monster- I am not sure exactly if or when Obama has refuted the "socialist" accusations, but I just watching this interview with Powell and he talks about it near the end of his interview! Go figure that a more economically conservative Obama supporter would address this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9LbLxja4UHY&eurl=http://jezebel.com/5065608/colin-powell-obama-would-be-a-transformational-president?cpage=1&sort=asc SOrry I don't know how to embed the video or make the link look pretty. It's from a CNN interview this morning with Powell.
i-heart-monster i-heart-monster 8 years
Hey - I'm a native Arizonan - I know that McCain will say or do anything that will serve his own devices... we've been experiencing it here for decades. Yet, we keep electing him despite viable alternative candidates. Go figure. But, organicsugar has a point in post 14, I haven't heard any of Obama's people refute McCain's socialist allegations... Obama had the chance at his rally in St. Louis, but he instead chose to call John McCain out of touch, yet again. So, I guess he either didn't feel that his brand of "socialism" is wrong for our country, or he didn't want to dignify the poke with a response.
i-heart-monster i-heart-monster 8 years
Hey - I'm a native Arizonan - I know that McCain will say or do anything that will serve his own devices... we've been experiencing it here for decades. Yet, we keep electing him despite viable alternative candidates. Go figure.But, organicsugar has a point in post 14, I haven't heard any of Obama's people refute McCain's socialist allegations... Obama had the chance at his rally in St. Louis, but he instead chose to call John McCain out of touch, yet again. So, I guess he either didn't feel that his brand of "socialism" is wrong for our country, or he didn't want to dignify the poke with a response.
snowbunny11 snowbunny11 8 years
*because mostly I just care about Arugula...
snowbunny11 snowbunny11 8 years
I heart- Oh yeah, I can understand that. But I just cynically do not think that is McCain's point, I think he just wants people to be like, "omg, what, Obama is a SOCIALIST and TURRERIST!" My list of freedoms: 1. The freedom to be free. 2. The freedom to be a free American. 3. Freedom. 4. Not NYC OR 9/11. 5. More freedom. 6. Patriotism! 7. Not socialism! 8. Actually, no government, at all! 9. I'm a gonna do whatever the hell I want! Gimme a gun, so I can go be more free!* *note, this list is a lighthearted joke!!
snowbunny11 snowbunny11 8 years
I heart- Oh yeah, I can understand that. But I just cynically do not think that is McCain's point, I think he just wants people to be like, "omg, what, Obama is a SOCIALIST and TURRERIST!" My list of freedoms:1. The freedom to be free.2. The freedom to be a free American.3. Freedom.4. Not NYC OR 9/11.5. More freedom.6. Patriotism! 7. Not socialism!8. Actually, no government, at all!9. I'm a gonna do whatever the hell I want! Gimme a gun, so I can go be more free!**note, this list is a lighthearted joke!!
i-heart-monster i-heart-monster 8 years
oh, I didn't mean to say that the postal service wasn't socialistic - it is. I was just saying that I don't think all socialist elements are bad. I just don't want to see us go bonkers with racking up the tally on how many socialist programs we do employ... GS - I like your list of freedoms. :)
i-heart-monster i-heart-monster 8 years
oh, I didn't mean to say that the postal service wasn't socialistic - it is. I was just saying that I don't think all socialist elements are bad. I just don't want to see us go bonkers with racking up the tally on how many socialist programs we do employ... GS - I like your list of freedoms. :)
Great-Sommelier Great-Sommelier 8 years
"GS- *headdesk*"How can I refute such a logical, well thought out response. What I see is, "I have no response."
Great-Sommelier Great-Sommelier 8 years
"GS- *headdesk*" How can I refute such a logical, well thought out response. What I see is, "I have no response."
snowbunny11 snowbunny11 8 years
I heart- well, clearly you aren't hiding behind the rhetoric, and I definitely don't think you sound like you'd be scared of something just because it's "socialist," just that you'd disagree strongly with that policy. I understand why McCain would characterize Obama's policy as leaning more towards a socialist one, I just think that he isn't honest about why he uses that language- that he is trying to scare his supporters. He certainly wouldn't refer to his own mortgage-buying policy as a more socialist one! I really, vehemently disagree with your politics- but I don't think they are scary and bunk because you do specifically address each one- and don't hide behind anything.The only thing I would disagree on is that just because something is in the Constitution, the postal service, that it isn't socialist/nationalist. I mean, the income tax is also in the Constitution as well, explicitly. GS- *headdesk*
snowbunny11 snowbunny11 8 years
I heart- well, clearly you aren't hiding behind the rhetoric, and I definitely don't think you sound like you'd be scared of something just because it's "socialist," just that you'd disagree strongly with that policy. I understand why McCain would characterize Obama's policy as leaning more towards a socialist one, I just think that he isn't honest about why he uses that language- that he is trying to scare his supporters. He certainly wouldn't refer to his own mortgage-buying policy as a more socialist one! I really, vehemently disagree with your politics- but I don't think they are scary and bunk because you do specifically address each one- and don't hide behind anything. The only thing I would disagree on is that just because something is in the Constitution, the postal service, that it isn't socialist/nationalist. I mean, the income tax is also in the Constitution as well, explicitly. GS- *headdesk*
i-heart-monster i-heart-monster 8 years
Well, the United States Postal Service is a nationalized service which is protected in the constitution. Not all nationalization by nature is bad, and nationalization is an element of socialism.However, socialized medicine is bad. At least McCain's plan lets people shop for their own coverage and encourages competition, but I'd rather things stay the way they are now. I don't want the government to have free access to my medical records, do you? I'm not scared of socialism; it clearly works in some countries. I just don't want to see anymore of its elements introduced into our country than already have been. I am scared of the people who want us to introduce more socialism into this nation (including government bail-outs). Call me heartless, selfish, whatever you like, but I'd rather the government cut all welfare, including free school lunches, than have my medical records on speed dial for whatever government agency wants them.And if you disagree with me, were you one of those people that supported the Patriot Act and said, "Sure, take my right to privacy, for national security's sake."?Abortion is a matter of having the freedom to choose - it's a freedom I fight for.Clearly snowbunny, you and I are not going to see eye to eye here, but at least I won't call your ideas scary and bunk.
i-heart-monster i-heart-monster 8 years
Well, the United States Postal Service is a nationalized service which is protected in the constitution. Not all nationalization by nature is bad, and nationalization is an element of socialism. However, socialized medicine is bad. At least McCain's plan lets people shop for their own coverage and encourages competition, but I'd rather things stay the way they are now. I don't want the government to have free access to my medical records, do you? I'm not scared of socialism; it clearly works in some countries. I just don't want to see anymore of its elements introduced into our country than already have been. I am scared of the people who want us to introduce more socialism into this nation (including government bail-outs). Call me heartless, selfish, whatever you like, but I'd rather the government cut all welfare, including free school lunches, than have my medical records on speed dial for whatever government agency wants them. And if you disagree with me, were you one of those people that supported the Patriot Act and said, "Sure, take my right to privacy, for national security's sake."? Abortion is a matter of having the freedom to choose - it's a freedom I fight for. Clearly snowbunny, you and I are not going to see eye to eye here, but at least I won't call your ideas scary and bunk.
Great-Sommelier Great-Sommelier 8 years
The freedom to strive for greatness and not be penalized for it. The freedom to actually make money for yourself and your family through your own hard work and know how. The freedom to be rewarded for your own actions, not the actions of others. Shall I go on?
snowbunny11 snowbunny11 8 years
I heart monster: which freedoms specifically? The freedom to buy crap mortgages as face value from people who made poor economic decisions? The freedom dump money into the banks and lending institutions? The freedom to drive the economy from a budget surplus to a budget deficit, resulting in an even greater national debt- necessitating borrowing FOREIGN funds from China? The denial of the freedom for women to choose what to do with our bodies if we become pregnant-even if it poses a risk to our health? The freedom from ever saying anything specific or truthful, and instead relying on scary rhetoric and your bunk interpretation of what the founding fathers fought for? Well, you keep on fighting for our freedoms, whatever they may be!
snowbunny11 snowbunny11 8 years
I heart monster: which freedoms specifically? The freedom to buy crap mortgages as face value from people who made poor economic decisions? The freedom dump money into the banks and lending institutions? The freedom to drive the economy from a budget surplus to a budget deficit, resulting in an even greater national debt- necessitating borrowing FOREIGN funds from China? The denial of the freedom for women to choose what to do with our bodies if we become pregnant-even if it poses a risk to our health? The freedom from ever saying anything specific or truthful, and instead relying on scary rhetoric and your bunk interpretation of what the founding fathers fought for?Well, you keep on fighting for our freedoms, whatever they may be!
i-heart-monster i-heart-monster 8 years
Amen Great Sommelier and organicsugar!Our disdain for growing governmental control is why we revolted against Britain.Go ahead hand your freedoms over to the government- you're free to do that, but I'll fight to keep mine (and yours), thanks.If that means voting for McCain, so be it, but honestly, I'd rather vote for Paris.
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