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"Men's Rights" Groups Say Feminist Society Oppresses Men

"Men's Rights" Groups Say Feminist Society Oppresses Men

We've all heard of women's rights activists, but are you familiar with men's rights activists? MRAs are men who believe that the emancipation of women and the emergence of feminism has led to the oppression of men. (Because, you know, it can't be a win-win proposition!)

Double X provided an extensive exploration of a movement that is trying to appear more mainstream. Here are some MRA claims:

  • False domestic abuse allegations are rampant.
  • A feminist-run court system wrongly separates innocent fathers from children.
  • Battered-women shelters scam taxpayers by transferring federal money to feminists.
  • Domestic violence laws help mail-order brides fraudulently get green cards.
  • Men are unrecognized victims of domestic violence themselves.

According to Double X, there's evidence that MRAs have greatly exaggerated many of their concerns about custody and domestic violence. For example, abuse accusations don't automatically win custody for mothers, and often incidents these men count as violence against men are really cases of self-defense. If you think this form of activism sounds too out there to be taken seriously, know that MRAs have had some very real influence. In 2008, they claimed responsibility for helping block the passage of four domestic violence bills.

What do you make of MRAs?

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lawdawg08 lawdawg08 6 years
Ha ha...you love it!!
lawdawg08 lawdawg08 6 years
...and thanks for pointing out and correcting your typo "dummy"!
lawdawg08 lawdawg08 6 years
Ahh..no, Jerk!! Telling someone to take the high road is not offensive.
lawdawg08 lawdawg08 6 years
I'm offended and I want you to apologize.
lawdawg08 lawdawg08 6 years
I beg your pardon anonymous #42!!
sidra5397 sidra5397 6 years
There are extreme offshoots that will sprout from any movement including feminism BUT just because the extremists who call for female supremacy over males are there does not give this article the right to inaacurately say that "feminist society" is opressive to men. We need to re-examine the definition of feminism because it's getting lost. I'll requote tarynitup because she said it so nicely: Thank you to the MRA's who stated their viewpoints. You sound like fairly reasonable humans. I'm asking you to consider the accuracy of the portrayal of feminists in modern media. Redefining a social movement to marginalize it is one of the oldest tricks in the book. When there is an organized movement against a dominant group, the members of the marginalized group are portrayed as evil, dangerous, irrational and extreme. We have seen this tactic used in the revolutionary war against the founders of this country by the British. We have seen Native Americans, Black Americans, Jews, Union organizers, ecologists and obviously Women be redefined in this way. This redefinition doesn't negate the reality that there are extremists in every movement. However, it takes the emphasis away from needed social change and puts it on how "normal Americans" can defend themselves from the so-called radicals. You've been played MRA's. Some of the changes you'd like to see are valid, but please consider who your foes really are. Most women and feminists are not trying to create a new imbalance with women on top and men on the bottom.
Yogaforlife Yogaforlife 6 years
I think men are getting custody more and more. My brother got divorced 2 years ago from his wife - she decided she couldn't be married to an atheist anymore. He got full custody of his daughter, even though she was only 3. There probably are cases where men do not get custody or even shared custody, but at least for my brother, it worked out. I work in a male dominated field (engineering) and I can personally say that I've seen inequality. Some of my male coworkers think that I'm just an overpaid secretary who's to do their filing, get them coffee, and set up appointments. Some have made remarks about me belonging at home with the children and that they'd never let their wife work. I've heard comments like a "woman couldn't possibly be a good engineer", had a client who had only dealt with me over the phone, tell me when we met in person that he just assumed I was a secretary and had no college education. Whenever somebody from the company has to go to an event so that we can show our support, the men assume that it is beneath them and automatically nominate me to go, because they can't waste their time on something so trivial. I'm lucky if I go a week without someone saying something demeaning to my intelligence or ability as a female engineer. I've already been told that I was hired for internships because the company needed to show they had diversity or because the guy interviewing me thought I was hot- um no thanks. Please hire me on my resume and capabilities. As far as the feminist movement has come today - there is still a lot of inequality in the workplace. I can understand the men's grievances on custody and on the fact that yes - they too can be domestic violence victims. But it is possible to acknowledge that custody needs to be shared equally between both parents, and that men suffer from DV, without denying that women still face inequality.
biarose biarose 6 years
I don't know if it has anything to do with "a feminist run court system".. but unfortunately it is the way custody tends to work.
biarose biarose 6 years
Actually, snowysakurasky, my story is far more common than you'd like to believe. The main point of it is, the mother was given primary custody simply because she was the mother, despite the fact that she was living with a convicted felon.
lawdawg08 lawdawg08 6 years
Running esq. you should read some of the recent statement released by NOW and modern feminist- they dont want equality or balance, they want supremacy and that is a recipe for disaster. You should have heard or read some of the statments released by NOW during the battle for the Dem. Nomination b/t Hillary and B.O they were very acerbic and counterproductive. Jayde30 im sorry for what you are going through that really sucks. but not all men think and act that way. the men that i work with are very progreesive and would not tolerate anyone being treated they way you are ..so when you find that new job, dont treat the men that are working below you the way those jerks are treating you now becuase it just leads to a very counterproductive work environment.
snowysakurasky snowysakurasky 6 years
"this, in my opinion, is why men are so slow to recognize gay rights and women's rights. I think this is the central truth that the MRA misses...What you're missing is how strongly the entire culture denies feminine truth, and how slanted it is towards patriarchal oppression... But I would submit to you that you are blind to the injustice of the world towards women. It's just your nature. Men have fewer emotional colors to paint a situation with. I have been in situations so frequently where the feminine perspective is derided by men, where it's seen as emotional or stupid. The truth is, we are just operating on a different level." interesting perspective and well-put, but as a woman i have never noticed the slant that you speak of, or that men in general have fewer emotional colors to paint a situation with. i think both men and women have varying amounts of emotional colors depending on the person. i'm going to keep my eyes open for the slant but i'm not sold yet. if our culture is so wrongly slanted, what would be the ideal state of american culture, in your opinion? "I absolutely agree with 'A feminist-run court system wrongly separates innocent fathers from children.'..." your story is not typical though, its quite extreme... is it really common that a person who let the kids be abused could keep custody...? please give more details. technically feminists would be for joint custody if they are for equality, no? and im sure mistakes and bad decisions are unfortunately made both ways, but are there any stats to prove that the courts are now run by feminists who favor women at all costs? and the violence against men issue? if its so important to you, do something about it: set up a shelter or support group for these men. write a self help book for them, there are already equal laws for men and women to protect people from violence, what more can we do if they, as adults (including women) don't want to seek help or tell anyone.
snowysakurasky snowysakurasky 6 years
"Every time I see or hear a story of a feminist or feminist organisation, it's always about denouncing men and empowering women. I'm tired of being marginalised. I'm a strong, honest, hard-working male. I don't beat women, I won't stand for male misogyny, and I believe in true equality. Yet feminists tell me that I'm privileged; that they deserve some of what I have, despite my hard work and dedication." if you are really working harder, smarter, and more efficiently than another person who has the same job as you, i don't mind you getting paid more. in fact you should be. however if two people have the same seniority, efficiency, and position and the male is paid more, than the male is privileged, no? last i heard this was still an issue.
snowysakurasky snowysakurasky 6 years
""I KNOW THAT NOT ALL FEMINISTS ARE ANGRY MISOGYNISTS. But no one can deny that this archetype has begun to appear more commonly as the mainstay of what a feminist engenders."" really, your typo (you don't mean misogynist, right?) aside, i really didn't notice that. where are these radical feminists who are becoming more and more common? i don't see or hear of them doing anything. if i have to look for info on some obscure website or something, i don't think you can claim that 'noone can deny they are becoming more and more common'
snowysakurasky snowysakurasky 6 years
"Why are so many commercials and advertisements based on gender roles in which women run the households and men don't have a clue how to cook dinner or use a laundry machine? " believe me, men like that do exist!
mermei mermei 6 years
I dunno, SpaceKat, I suspect that the fact that sexism against women still exists is not a good enough reason to allow men to be treated unfairly. And while I agree that differences between men and women exist, the idea that these poor, emotionally stunted men just can't understand the female experience sounds really (almost ironically) patronizing.
leslievanhouten leslievanhouten 6 years
great post taryn. There's definitely a lot of overlap between the feminist movement and MRAs. Many feminists are normal people who want equality, not man hating feminazis. I will say, that it's not feminists or women in general who do not recognize female on male domestic abuse or even abuse in general, it's men. If a man admits that he was assaulted by a woman, who's going to laugh at him. Likely, it's not going to be a female. I've been following a story about a Yelp reviewer who posted a negative review of a bookstore in SF. The owner, a female, wrote half a dozen bizarre, aggressive, mentally unhinged messages to this guy. Then tracked him down, showed up at his house and attacked him. When the reviewer posted about his experience on Yelp, a lot of the men were making fun of him for getting assaulted by woman. Moral of the story: know your enemy. It's not always "feminists", sometimes (often) it's other men.
runningesq runningesq 6 years
Beautifully put, Spacekat (as per usual!). As to the men as victims: how does feminism downplay this? From my own PERSONAL experience, men are less likely to come forward as victims for fear of ridicule. This is sad and needs to be adressed, but it is not the fault of feminism or women who fight for equal rights. Most (all?) feminists I know are for the safety of ALL people in relationships.
tarynitup tarynitup 6 years
Thank you to the MRA's who stated their viewpoints. You sound like fairly reasonable humans. I'm asking you to consider the accuracy of the portrayal of feminists in modern media. Redefining a social movement to marginalize it is one of the oldest tricks in the book. When there is an organized movement against a dominant group, the members of the marginalized group are portrayed as evil, dangerous, irrational and extreme. We have seen this tactic used in the revolutionary war against the founders of this country by the British. We have seen Native Americans, Black Americans, Jews, Union organizers, ecologists and obviously Women be redefined in this way. This redefinition doesn't negate the reality that there are extremists in every movement. However, it takes the emphasis away from needed social change and puts it on how "normal Americans" can defend themselves from the so-called radicals. You've been played MRA's. Some of the changes you'd like to see are valid, but please consider who your foes really are. Most women and feminists are not trying to create a new imbalance with women on top and men on the bottom. While your considering the reality of the feminist movement, I will consider the reality of the MR movement. peace, love, and soul to you all!!!
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