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Mormons Leave Church Over Stance on Same-Sex Marriage

People were enraged last week when California passed Proposition 8 to ban same-sex marriage, but now opponents are lashing out at the Mormon church for its well-funded campaign against it. And Mormons themselves are speaking up.

OK, so they're not saying this (warning! NSFW profanity), but they are mad enough to resign from the church and post letters of disappointment on Signing For Something. Their reasons? Hatred, bigotry, and discrimination are cited the most, and claims are backed up with LDS doctrine, which says "We do not believe it just to mingle religious influence with civil government."

How can Mormons be blamed for a statewide vote? Besides misdirected anger, it didn't help that church authorities asked members to "do all [they] can to support the proposed constitutional amendment." And with that righteous request came millions of donated dollars to fund a campaign against Prop. 8 and produce what are clearly well-funded videos.

I've also heard some rumblings about straight people boycotting marriage. Would you ever leave your religion or not get married because gay people cannot?

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hypnoticmix hypnoticmix 7 years
I agree to a point, but think about a bond of trust you have with someone GS. Just like opening our heart and extending love, extending trust makes us just as vulnerable but it is that willingness to make ourselves vulnerable to that person/persons that is a testament to how strong our bond is with them. Unfortunately the vulnerable characteristic with trust as with love is that we let our guard down, because letting our guard down is the nature of trust. There for IMO yes you can say well their guard was down and if they were more guarded they could have protected themselves so it's their fault too but in this instance under the circumstance it is the one who breached the trust, the one who knowingly manipulated the vulnerability who is to blame. That's just my two cents and I still love ya, so there.
Great-Sommelier Great-Sommelier 7 years
Hypno, I agree that the parishioners have a right to feel let down or mislead, but they let themselves be mislead if they donated. You get what I'm saying? If you are sitting in a church and the pastor says, hey, burn red cars, and you start burning red cars, it's just as much your fault as theirs. That's what I was trying to say! And, I agree that the church should have it's tax standing investigated if they are preaching politics on a huge scope.
hypnoticmix hypnoticmix 7 years
Sorry GS you know I love ya baby but in this instance I have to disagree. If someone is relying on someone/something they know as a trusting source of information, information they use as a guide in their life and come to find out that they have been intentionally deceived and that the trust has been breached it is perfectly valid for them to feel upset and speak out about it.
Great-Sommelier Great-Sommelier 7 years
People are really looking for a scapegoat. The LDS bunch didn't hold anyone's hand in the voting booth. Agree or disagree, this was how the majority in CA voted. Looking for donors to blame is petty.
kikidawn kikidawn 7 years
Very good post (#98) HF!! Bravo! :highfive:
kranky kranky 7 years
bella- Good to know. It's kinda neat that you attended his church... you have a much better understanding of the situation than I do. I have no desire to hold onto my negative thoughts about Wright if they are unwarranted. BTW - I just realized your avatar is the Trevi Fountain. It's gorgeous! One of my favorite sites in Rome. I hope you got to see it at night - it's even more stunning. My avi is from Venice. Yay Italy!
bellaressa bellaressa 7 years
Kranky, I ask that b/c I use to belong and attend the church when I first came to Chicago. There are just not politically affluent people there but people of all walks of life. The church is very large. Just so you know, Wright was not the only pastor at the church and did not speak every Sunday.
kranky kranky 7 years
bella- Of course! My understanding is that Obama went to a politically powerful church (it has huge clout in Chicago - Oprah used to go there before she said that Wright's sermons started getting to her). I believe he used it as a entre into the community and as a platform to get support for his various campaigns.
bellaressa bellaressa 7 years
That's the spirit!
harmonyfrance harmonyfrance 7 years
:sing:
bellaressa bellaressa 7 years
We should get together and Sing "We Shall Overcome".
harmonyfrance harmonyfrance 7 years
Don't bet on it. Discriminatory practices towards civil rights never stick forever. It will be overturned. What do you think gay people are going to just stop caring whether they are treated equally or not? I don't even understand how you guys rationalize it. Do you think they're just going to say THE PEOPLE HAVE SPOKEN. Let's have a cocktail. Nope. Intolerance will never win. A battle has been won by the intolerant, but the war never will be.
lickety-split lickety-split 7 years
it's hard for anyone when they lose. but the majority has spoken. obama is president and prop 8 passed. and obama is opposed to gay marriage so i suppose that is consistent thinking.
bellaressa bellaressa 7 years
My I ask a question: kranky, how was going to the church a political move?
kranky kranky 7 years
baystyle and Jude- Thanks for answering my question! bay - yes, I was relieved when Obama left his church. But he did so under pressure and after he said he could no more throw his grandmother under the bus or something like that. I felt it was an empty gesture at that point. Jude - I totally agree, the situation is never easy. But I have chosen to worship where I do because they don't bash gays or scream about abortion (we do pray for the souls of unborn children... I'm Catholic) or even get political. Therefore, Rev. Wright was and is a difficult issue for me. I still believe that Obama went to that church for political reasons, and left it for politcal reasons as well. But Obama's my President now so I'm sure I'll get over it soon! (Rant over and I do apologize for taking this thread off topic.)
bastylefilegirl bastylefilegirl 7 years
Ugh typos I've been up since 4:50am "personally do think fine if they didn't leave the church and still voted no on prop 8 but again it was their personal decision."
bastylefilegirl bastylefilegirl 7 years
I agree with Jude C and Hypno. This was clearly a failure to separate the the Law of Man and the Laws of God. I personally don't think fine if they didn't leave the church and still voted no on prop 8 but again it was their personal decision. I know it's hard for people so separate their faith from a legal/political actions. Question does the Mormon Churches support of this law i.e. if they did it in church make them liable under the Non profit tax situation?
Jude-C Jude-C 7 years
*It wasn't just that the leaders of the Mormon church were saying things I would consider to be hateful, but that they used church money--which if I'm correct comes from congregant donations--and resources, as well as the church's name, to promote that view. It's one thing to say something from the pulpit, another to actually go to that length to push the church's official view into law.
Jude-C Jude-C 7 years
"My question is for the people out there who felt that Obama's connection with Reverand Wright was not inappropriate or germane to the political discourse. Why was that case different in your eyes?" For me it was because from all I had heard about the church, not only was Wright not doing a crazy routine all the time, but there was a lot more to the church and to Obama's involvement in it than just the Reverend. I only say it would be easy for me to leave my church because I'm not religious anyway. For people who have a lot of involvement in their church, I can see that it would be much less cut-and-dried--there's more to a church than what its clergyman says. The thing that would have bothered me about the situation in this post is that the Mormon church not only expressed opposition to gay marriage, but funded and put together a massive, concerted effort to push that political agenda.
bastylefilegirl bastylefilegirl 7 years
LOL everything is always comes back to Obama ahahaha "My question is for the people out there who felt that Obama's connection with Reverand Wright was not inappropriate or germane to the political discourse. Why was that case different in your eyes?" Well he left the church didn't he? And I also thing that the people who are saying "yeaaaah they left the church" wouldn't fault them if they stayed and still voted No on 8.
hypnoticmix hypnoticmix 7 years
"If they believe it is a sin, or an "Abomination" as it says in Leviticus, then they should support Prop 8." Well here is the problem..... "We do not believe it just to mingle religious influence with civil government." The problem these LDS members have is not that their neighboring parishioner supported Prop8 based on their beliefs it is that the LDS Church as an organization moved to support Prop8 though finance, influence and supporting the sin of lieing in order to criticize something else they deem a sin.
momma-tikita momma-tikita 7 years
"We're a center right nation because we respect traditions in America." -Bill O' Reilly "The tradition of America is a progression of individual freedoms. You know what the tradition in America would say? Gay marraige is the next step in the progression." - Jon Stewart I love him...
Tari007 Tari007 7 years
Prop 8 is ridiculous! I personally will not get married because we are not treated equal. It's not fair that simply because I am straight I have the right to marry, but my best friend, who is not straight, can't get married. Someone has got to make a point and stand up for equal rights! So yes, I am boycotting marriage until we all have the same right to be officialy married to our significant others!
kranky kranky 7 years
It's nice to know that - by and large - posters here say they would leave their chosen church if the leader loudly proclaimed a political opinion that they do not agree with. I feel the same way. My question is for the people out there who felt that Obama's connection with Reverand Wright was not inappropriate or germane to the political discourse. Why was that case different in your eyes? (I am trying to ask this nicely and with no irony. I am honestly curious to know the other side's ideas.)
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