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Jillness Jillness 8 years
Very well said, NYFashionista!
NYFashionista NYFashionista 8 years
"but I would like to be if nothing else respected for the fact that I'm well informed and do not just blindly support her...and hopefully I add a different perspective that isn't being covered." So true! Good for you. I wish people would see Obama supporters in the same light. I can't tell you how many times people have rolled their eyes at me when hearing I support him. I've gotten so many "oh you kids today...you don't know anything". Ok, that's why I've spent hours researching both candidates and keeping up with their campaigns (as tiresome as it can be). At this point, although I would absolutely love to see Obama as the nominee, all I really care about is that we have a democrat president in office. And unfortunately, because we've gotten so caught up in attacking one another, we're missing valuable time in swaying the real independent voters (and maybe some Republicans ?? ;-))
Jillness Jillness 8 years
"Clinton may present a reasonable outline of how she'd handle the war, but the "obliterate Iran" comment needs explanation." I agree. And the idea that we could actually defend any country in the middle east that is attacked by Iran is laughable.
Jillness Jillness 8 years
He is not a baby, his time could be spent in more productive ways. The reason that it took an hour to get to any questions of substance in the last debate is because people are trying to mix it up and play "gottcha"...which is not beneficial for citizens. Letting the candidates tell us where they stand is a much more direct and clear representation of their views than making them play games to present it. I think a debate with McCain would be very interesting...and far different than what Clinton puts out.
harmonyfrance harmonyfrance 8 years
Beauti....I understand the context of your post now. I actually love sarcasm it's just not always easy to decipher in these threads. I thought you were just attacking Hillary for no apparent reason. (Insulting the schools the Clinton women went to, her being a lawyer, etc.) I see what your point was now. I don't agree with everything that you said, but it makes sense. Sorry for the confusion. :) I would like to point out that the majority of Hillary fans do NOT think Obama is a Muslim (or care for that matter). Besides what is so horrible about being a Muslim? I don't get it. I don't think he's a racist. I don't really think he's an elitist. I think he words things badly sometimes and it gets him into trouble. None of these issues have led me to support Hillary. I've chosen my candidate for what I suspect are the same reasons you've (Obama supporters) chosen yours. I agree with her policies, she inspires me, and I think she'll get the job done. P.S. Auntie Coosa...what does his race percentage even have to do with this thread? It came out of nowhere. P.S.S. Thanks Cabaker! :hug: I'll never give up! I get lonely on here sometimes supporting/defending her, but I would like to be if nothing else respected for the fact that I'm well informed and do not just blindly support her...and hopefully I add a different perspective that isn't being covered.
gidigirl gidigirl 8 years
Auntie Coosa, For the record..there is a difference between race, nationality and religion.. Just because Barack's (100% Kenyan) grandfather converted to islam this did not make him Arab.. He was black, Kenyan and Muslim.
gidigirl gidigirl 8 years
Auntie Coosa, You really are sounding more and more ridiculous... Are we really going to dissect humanbeings to the extent that we turn them into a FRACTION??.. Is this not indicative of the problems this nation has.. and really in the 21st century are we still doing this.. What would you have us call Barack.. His mother is American, his father is African, would that not make him African American?? I am 100% African, from Nigeria.. I happen to have been born in the US (as was Barack).. So i am an American citizen... What would you call me..American of African descent right ... African-American.. Or do you know another term for what i should be called?.. I guess if you really want to be technical i would be Nigerian-American and he would be Kenyan-American... So what was your point exactly? Barack Obama is from the Luo tribe in Kenya.. They are definately African and not Arab... Instead of spreading misinformation i suggest you do some research.. www.kenyaadvisor.com is a good place to start.. Unless of course you have a different agenda.
hotstuff hotstuff 8 years
WOW, ladychaos preach to the ignorance I applaud you! BRAVO.
zeze zeze 8 years
I get what you are saying, from my experiences, I have seen a number of "minorities" gravitate towards each other because of the similarities they share in being minorities and having differences from the majority. (although places like LA show the exact opposite. It might also be b/c the fact that it's Detroit. Detroit is 80% African Americans, I think, the camaraderie may come from the constant interaction between the groups - again LA would show I am wrong though! :)
ladychaos ladychaos 8 years
Zeze, I understand what you're saying, and I should have better clarified myself. I'm from the Detroit area, which has a very high concentration of people from the Middle East. I was actually over-generalizing about a race to prove a point, but still, from my experiences, people of those ethnicities typically gravitate towards relating to blacks over whites.
zeze zeze 8 years
"Arabs do not consider themselves white, and will walk up to people with brown skin and consider them "brothers" (or "sisters"). Next time you're around and Arab, see how his attitude changes between talking to a white person and talking to a brown skinned person" I'm not so sure about this comment. "Arab" is not an ethnicity in reality, it is more of a geographical identification, and a poor one at that. For example Arabs in Africa/Yemen can look 100% black, in skin color, texture of hair and many other aspects. Arabs from Turkey, Lebanon, Syria, Palestine can look 100% white - even Aryan (blue eyes and blond hair). For example in Iraq, if you look at the different cities, places near the Turkish border will have "white" people and places in the south will have darker skin, sometimes looking like African-Americans and places in the middle, Najaf will have a lot of "tan" looking people and whites. The closest thing to defining Arab as a race would be Semitic by its true definition, but that’s commonly known as “Jewish” and the variations from Turkey to Kenya don’t fit there. *** Auntie Coosa - I have to say, I am getting sick of your out right prejudice against everyone. You even call all lawyers liars in this thread, a steer away from your comments on Muslims and Arabs. You have said things like "Muslims kill that is what the Quran tells the" or replied to acts of terrorism saying "what else do you expect from a Muslim" you have made TONS of these comments and don't seem to care to listen to others when they tell you how hateful, wrong, and offensive your comments are. CitizenSugar says "other things that don't make for a happy place will not be allowed" and your constant offensive comments do not make for a happy place.
hausfrau hausfrau 8 years
but i can def. see how you would see it differently!
hausfrau hausfrau 8 years
Well I guess I just don't see it that way. I see it as he was mentally and physically tortured for years and his only recourse is to call them the most offensive thing he can think of, so thats why he chose that word. I don't think that means he really thinks that way, only that in his mind its the only way he can get back at them even a little bit.
BeautiJunki BeautiJunki 8 years
Being part Asian it is not OK, it really is bad. All racial slurs are because it lets someone see a bit of how you really think. I'm glad you found the info you were looking for :)
hausfrau hausfrau 8 years
ok I found the quote: During the 2000 election, McCain was criticized for his continued use of an ethnic slur in reference to his Vietnamese captors. He told reporters, "I hate the gooks.... I will hate them as long as I live." At first, he stood by his use of the slur, saying that it was "the kindest, the kindest description I can give them." McCain later reversed his position and apologized. Yea, prolly a pretty poor thing to say. But considering he was speaking only about his captors and not all Asians in general, I don't think its a big deal. I mean they did torture him for years on end after all... But it was def. a bad thing to talk about.
hausfrau hausfrau 8 years
thanks beauti!
BeautiJunki BeautiJunki 8 years
Hey cupcake- I have post waiting on approval for a link, it will give you more information :)
BeautiJunki BeautiJunki 8 years
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/opinion/hongop.shtml If you google john mccain gook comment it comes right up...i pick the first link which is an editorial but has jm's official comment and why it's inappropriate.
hausfrau hausfrau 8 years
are you sure he used that word to describe them in the present tense as in "i cant stand those g-" or in the past tense as in "when i was held captive i called them g- in my mind to get through the days"there's a pretty big distinction there. i'd love to see the full quote...just wondering! :)
hausfrau hausfrau 8 years
are you sure he used that word to describe them in the present tense as in "i cant stand those g-" or in the past tense as in "when i was held captive i called them g- in my mind to get through the days" there's a pretty big distinction there. i'd love to see the full quote... just wondering! :)
BeautiJunki BeautiJunki 8 years
WOW Lady Chaos-Love you...from another multi-racial woman who favors one particular ethnicity...yet my sister is as white as paper. Oh, BTW Nice-guy-I-respect-everyone McCain used the work GOOK to describe his captors in his first failed run for president, it's a racial slur which alienates Asians who we need to do a lot of foreign policy for a better world standing with the up and coming superpowers.
BeautiJunki BeautiJunki 8 years
WOW Lady Chaos-Love you...from another multi-racial woman who favors one particular ethnicity...yet my sister is as white as paper. Oh, BTW Nice-guy-I-respect-everyone McCain used the work GOOK to describe his captors in his first failed run for president, it's a racial slur which alienates Asians who we need to do a lot of foreign policy for a better world standing with the up and coming superpowers.
ladychaos ladychaos 8 years
Also, Coosa, don't believe everything you hear until you hear it from the horses mouth itself. After all, Hillary supporters keep mentioning how Muslim Obama is, yet they continuously critique his Christian Pastor.Which one will it be? Obama '08. It's about time someone with some common sense ran.
ladychaos ladychaos 8 years
Also, Coosa, don't believe everything you hear until you hear it from the horses mouth itself. After all, Hillary supporters keep mentioning how Muslim Obama is, yet they continuously critique his Christian Pastor. Which one will it be? Obama '08. It's about time someone with some common sense ran.
ladychaos ladychaos 8 years
Auntie Coosa, I'm really starting to worry about you...I just read in another post of yours, comments that come off as...PREJUDICED.Now, here I will step in and correct you because it is NEVER up to any person, especially one coming from another race to say someone isn't "black" enough. Yes, you have stepped on my toes and offended me, so I'm calling you out.1. "Black" in America has been defined as 1/8 black blood simply for the sake of keeping bastard children of white slave masters at bay. That is why it is a touchy something for ANY white person to say something along the lines of "you're not black enough" to and around any blacks.2. I'm only 3/16ths black, and by your standards, I can pass for white (even though I'm also Cuban, Panamanian, and Cherokee, besides the French, Irish and Black). However, on the Census, I'm marked as Black. To the naked eye, I am black. To my university, although I never mark my race, or I put other, they mark me as "African-American". And then you come along and tell me that I'm white. Funny thing is, the rest of the world doesn't see it. 3. Arabs do not consider themselves white, and will walk up to people with brown skin and consider them "brothers" (or "sisters"). Next time you're around and Arab, see how his attitude changes between talking to a white person and talking to a brown skinned person.4. In every country, there are black people. Half the "black" people in our country, are Latino. Black is literally based on skin color and assumed features. Obama has NEVER pulled the race card, the Clinton's did. Then Ferraro did, and so did a few of the staff at Clinton's campaign. I have seen that man speak, and I have been to his headquarters. I am also a former Hillary supporter, and I used to write constant letters to the president when Bill Clinton was in office. Hillary spends most of her campaign dissing someone she wants as her running mate and for some reason, you support the former republican who also said she was "touched by MLK" (so much that she voted for Goldwater, who was against the Civil Rights Act of 1964). Yes, we know that if Obama gets the nod, Hillary is voting for McCain, based on her comments that McCain is much better.So I'm sorry Ms. Coosa that you feel the need to make comments about people based on their skin color or their religion, however you should know that every individual should be held accountable for who they are as a person. And if you want to get all technical, Jeb Bush should not be in office because he married a Mexican woman (no, she was not a citizen of the United States until after their nuptials), and he, like the rest of his family, is against the immigrants coming over to this country (like most of the Polish, Italian, Greek, and German descended whites back in the 1920's), to take jobs from Americans.
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