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flutterpie flutterpie 8 years
im sorry but those findings also included the fact that the fence was too low for standards and its not the first time that the sf zoo violated those standards. the majority of human beings are idiots and the zoo should of known that. Its claws were broken and splintered by clambering up the concrete moat wall if the tiger was taunted to the point of repeatedly jumping up on the wall, then im thinking that the taunting was going on for an extended period of time, so why didnt any workers pass by during this time?
wackdoodle wackdoodle 8 years
I just read the SFGate.com about the police findings and the autopsy of the tiger in the case and it is really upsetting. This poor tiger was seriously taunted and provoked. She actually broke and splintered her claws in her effort to get out of the enclosure, she was that pissed. From the article: ""As a result of this investigation, (police believe) that the tiger may have been taunted/agitated by its eventual victims," Matthews wrote in the affidavit. Police believe that "this factor contributed to the tiger escaping from its enclosure and attacking its victims," she said. An autopsy conducted by a zoo veterinarian on the Siberian tiger after police shot it to death showed that the animal had been "very determined to get out," Matthews said. Its claws were broken and splintered by clambering up the concrete moat wall, Matthews quoted the veterinarian as saying. "This behavior may be consistent with a tiger that has been agitated and/or taunted," Matthews said." The case is now somehow listed as inactive but their still investigating which is confusing but it's SF so that's how thing go. All three boys were drinking and had marijuana in their system. http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2008/01/18/MNEIUH4B9.DTL
wackdoodle wackdoodle 8 years
cine_lover - I have never been to SF Zoo and I've lived here for 11 years now. I cannot fathom putting a zoo with tropical animals over in that freezing area. Then I thought how big could this zoo be? Looked it up- small. If you want miserable animals try the Santa Barbara Zoo. Oh man, took my nephew when they were little. And they loved the LA Zoo so we thought closer to home maybe they'll like this one too. It was hell - one elephant had a baby with a deformed leg and trunk, both mother and child had the tiniest habitat. I swear it was the size of our garage. Then we saw their famous giraffe and my nephews burst into hysterical tears and we had to leave, other small children started to cry too. The giraffe had a broken neck and it had healed bad so its neck was stuck at a 45 degree angle. The poor thing would look you directly in the eyes - like I HATE YOU ALL! One of the employees asked what was wrong with the kids and my dad (big military guy) goes "Your zoo is cruel. It's like a misery pit. That's why my grandsons are crying they're sad." So I always described the SB Zoo as the Misery Pit. That's how I imagine the SF Zoo, freezing concrete, misery pit. I think zoos are valuable for preservation of species but they should place the animals needs first like the new model zoos - where the animal and its needs and safety come first - then they figure out how to let people see the animal w/o disturbing the animal.
wackdoodle wackdoodle 8 years
cine_lover - I have never been to SF Zoo and I've lived here for 11 years now. I cannot fathom putting a zoo with tropical animals over in that freezing area. Then I thought how big could this zoo be? Looked it up- small. If you want miserable animals try the Santa Barbara Zoo. Oh man, took my nephew when they were little. And they loved the LA Zoo so we thought closer to home maybe they'll like this one too. It was hell - one elephant had a baby with a deformed leg and trunk, both mother and child had the tiniest habitat. I swear it was the size of our garage. Then we saw their famous giraffe and my nephews burst into hysterical tears and we had to leave, other small children started to cry too. The giraffe had a broken neck and it had healed bad so its neck was stuck at a 45 degree angle. The poor thing would look you directly in the eyes - like I HATE YOU ALL!One of the employees asked what was wrong with the kids and my dad (big military guy) goes "Your zoo is cruel. It's like a misery pit. That's why my grandsons are crying they're sad." So I always described the SB Zoo as the Misery Pit. That's how I imagine the SF Zoo, freezing concrete, misery pit. I think zoos are valuable for preservation of species but they should place the animals needs first like the new model zoos - where the animal and its needs and safety come first - then they figure out how to let people see the animal w/o disturbing the animal.
wackdoodle wackdoodle 8 years
Brandynicole- I think it may have been a drunken stumble not throwing himself. I believe from the details that his parents had of the incident that they had already talked to the other "victims" so they knew what was what. They had probably called "Larry H Parker" to file a case against 'the city' as you do here whether your at fault or not.Either way I do feel badly from them they lost their child - poor judgment or not- they won't get him back.This whole incident did bring to our attention that our habitats may not and are not up to snuff.
wackdoodle wackdoodle 8 years
Brandynicole- I think it may have been a drunken stumble not throwing himself. I believe from the details that his parents had of the incident that they had already talked to the other "victims" so they knew what was what. They had probably called "Larry H Parker" to file a case against 'the city' as you do here whether your at fault or not. Either way I do feel badly from them they lost their child - poor judgment or not- they won't get him back. This whole incident did bring to our attention that our habitats may not and are not up to snuff.
cine_lover cine_lover 8 years
I hate the San Francisco Zoo. Every time I have been there the animals looked miserable and not cared for, and to me the whole thing looked dangerous and not up to code. It was only a matter of time this was going to happen. At least it happened to some stupid person taunting the animal instead of some innocent child.
BRANDYNICOLE730 BRANDYNICOLE730 8 years
Now knowing that the parents of the dead guy knew the truth about the incident, I find the fact that they went on air trying to tout their son as a hero, to be quite laughable! I guess what they meant by "throwing himself in front of his friends, to save their lives," was in regard to him standing on the railing taunting the tiger. That's not what I'd describe as heroism.
BRANDYNICOLE730 BRANDYNICOLE730 8 years
LoL Wackdodle to the Huckabee comment. Sooo glad I'm not the only person who holds that view on the tiger incident.
wackdoodle wackdoodle 8 years
And Huckabee better not try to fry me up in a popcorn popper! This squirrel don't play those games.
wackdoodle wackdoodle 8 years
Jillness - its not a matter of degrading the victim of the tiger mauling. It's more a matter of finding out why after all these years of that habitat being that il-functioning/poorly designed and that particular tiger was compelled to decide 'today's the day I jump the wall'. Zoos cannot assume that underaged asses will come in drunk and/or high with the expressed desire to have a big cat attack them so they can capture it on their cellphone camera. And at first here in SF those two surviving "victims" claimed they did absolutely nothing to provoke the tiger. They said this to the SFPD and the media. They said that they just walked by the tiger habitat with their friend who was killed and the tiger went nuts and jumped over the wall. Well turns out that wasn't true at all. Not even remotely true.First thing they did was spend many minutes taunting the lions and standing on the railing of the lion habitat trying to provoke the lions to jump the wall. When the lions failed to respond, those "victims" moved on to the tigers.Yeah, unfortunately for them the picked the tiger. They picked one who had already decided that human tastes good and she wasn't very fond of any of the keepers. So they stood on the rails (or over them) and they taunted the her specifically and apparently threw things at her. And geez, if I taunt my house cats for long enough they'll jump over anything, rip through anything and just to rip into my flesh. So I can only imagine that that big cat was seriously taunted.They were drunk and/or drugged. They were looking to cause mayhem ,all three of them. And boy did they get it. Weird thing is apparently one of the brothers told the boy who was killed parents what they had done and that kid's parents told him to keep his mouth shut and/or lie. Uh huh, bad apple-bad tree.That tiger was one of 400 Siberian Tigers left in the world period. There are now 399. She dead now, not because the tiger made a mistake or went against its nature but because of some stupid teenagers who have paid a price too. Yes the young man is dead but wasn't that his goal-to get attacked by a big cat? Whether that price is enough is up to the DA to decide. And Kamala loves animals.Good thing they did not go for the Gorillas or Chimps because they can actually rip a man's head from his shoulders. Some fun. Oh yeah at the LA Zoo the Gorilla habitat is built to code and the Gorilla's still got out for many, many years. As a frequent visitor to LA Zoo as a kid, you learned that when they get out, you stop moving, you don't scream, you let them have whatever they wanted and <u>you better hope that the gorilla that got out wasn't one you were taunting cause they were known to tear through the zoo "smelling out" the person who offended them.</U> Absolutely true.
wackdoodle wackdoodle 8 years
Jillness - its not a matter of degrading the victim of the tiger mauling. It's more a matter of finding out why after all these years of that habitat being that il-functioning/poorly designed and that particular tiger was compelled to decide 'today's the day I jump the wall'. Zoos cannot assume that underaged asses will come in drunk and/or high with the expressed desire to have a big cat attack them so they can capture it on their cellphone camera. And at first here in SF those two surviving "victims" claimed they did absolutely nothing to provoke the tiger. They said this to the SFPD and the media. They said that they just walked by the tiger habitat with their friend who was killed and the tiger went nuts and jumped over the wall. Well turns out that wasn't true at all. Not even remotely true. First thing they did was spend many minutes taunting the lions and standing on the railing of the lion habitat trying to provoke the lions to jump the wall. When the lions failed to respond, those "victims" moved on to the tigers. Yeah, unfortunately for them the picked the tiger. They picked one who had already decided that human tastes good and she wasn't very fond of any of the keepers. So they stood on the rails (or over them) and they taunted the her specifically and apparently threw things at her. And geez, if I taunt my house cats for long enough they'll jump over anything, rip through anything and just to rip into my flesh. So I can only imagine that that big cat was seriously taunted. They were drunk and/or drugged. They were looking to cause mayhem ,all three of them. And boy did they get it. Weird thing is apparently one of the brothers told the boy who was killed parents what they had done and that kid's parents told him to keep his mouth shut and/or lie. Uh huh, bad apple-bad tree. That tiger was one of 400 Siberian Tigers left in the world period. There are now 399. She dead now, not because the tiger made a mistake or went against its nature but because of some stupid teenagers who have paid a price too. Yes the young man is dead but wasn't that his goal-to get attacked by a big cat? Whether that price is enough is up to the DA to decide. And Kamala loves animals. Good thing they did not go for the Gorillas or Chimps because they can actually rip a man's head from his shoulders. Some fun. Oh yeah at the LA Zoo the Gorilla habitat is built to code and the Gorilla's still got out for many, many years. As a frequent visitor to LA Zoo as a kid, you learned that when they get out, you stop moving, you don't scream, you let them have whatever they wanted and you better hope that the gorilla that got out wasn't one you were taunting cause they were known to tear through the zoo "smelling out" the person who offended them. Absolutely true.
BRANDYNICOLE730 BRANDYNICOLE730 8 years
But, then again, animals should not be locked up in small pens either. It may seem like a large enclosure to us, humans, but animals usually roam miles! A zoo is merely a jail for wild animals. I think the numbers are something like: 1,000 tigers in the wild, 5,000 locked up in zoos. Those are not good statistics.
BRANDYNICOLE730 BRANDYNICOLE730 8 years
Sorry, call me evil if you want. But those boys got what they deserved. It's not intelligent to entice a wild animal, duh! And, if a 10-year old finds it funny, their parents should be smart enough to tell them to stop and explain to them that the tiger could eat them if they really wanted! Roar! Also, what kind of dumb logic makes it ok to shoot a wild animal dead because it injures a human? They are only reacting on animal instincts. It is just ludacris to hold a wild animal responisible like a human! Why do zoos not carry tranquilizer guns? Especially after finding out that the guys were not innocent victims; that they were teasing a wild animal. That tiger's death could have been prevented!
BRANDYNICOLE730 BRANDYNICOLE730 8 years
Sorry, call me evil if you want. But those boys got what they deserved. It's not intelligent to entice a wild animal, duh! And, if a 10-year old finds it funny, their parents should be smart enough to tell them to stop and explain to them that the tiger could eat them if they really wanted! Roar! Also, what kind of dumb logic makes it ok to shoot a wild animal dead because it injures a human? They are only reacting on animal instincts. It is just ludacris to hold a wild animal responisible like a human! Why do zoos not carry tranquilizer guns? Especially after finding out that the guys were not innocent victims; that they were teasing a wild animal. That tiger's death could have been prevented!
Stacey-Cakes Stacey-Cakes 8 years
Yay to my home state for being tolerant!
tiabia tiabia 8 years
I won't be discussing the Zoo situation!!! However, inflation is Zimbabwe is WAY out of hand and outrageous. And w00t!!! to forward thinking Marylanders!!!
tiabia tiabia 8 years
I won't be discussing the Zoo situation!!!However, inflation is Zimbabwe is WAY out of hand and outrageous.And w00t!!! to forward thinking Marylanders!!!
snapsh0t snapsh0t 8 years
That Huckabee/squirrel thing is quite strange, though I love the quote from someone who commented on it: “So it’s ok to slather a squirrel in oil and fry it on a popcorn popper, but not to marry and have sex with it? That hardly seems fair.” :P
snapsh0t snapsh0t 8 years
That Huckabee/squirrel thing is quite strange, though I love the quote from someone who commented on it:“So it’s ok to slather a squirrel in oil and fry it on a popcorn popper, but not to marry and have sex with it? That hardly seems fair.” :P
i-am-awesomeness i-am-awesomeness 8 years
Aww... I don't want to discuss such a sad subject. Anyways, I love that campuses are getting "greener"! Green living is the way to go! :)
philleif philleif 8 years
"Maul Rats"
philleif philleif 8 years
"Maul Rats"
Jillness Jillness 8 years
I really, really don't understand the point of degrading the victims of the San Fransico zoo maulings. Zoos should be built with the expectation that SOME people will taunt the animals...little children do frequent zoos after all. I have known many fiesty 10 year olds! It is illogical to assume that everyone attending the zoo will not taunt the animals. I think it is reasonable to assume that patrons of a zoo would expect that the animals could not reach them under any circumstance. The Zoo wasn't up to code, and nothing changes that. There was no physical barrier to prevent the animal from getting out, only it's will. That is irresponsible to me.
Jillness Jillness 8 years
I really, really don't understand the point of degrading the victims of the San Fransico zoo maulings. Zoos should be built with the expectation that SOME people will taunt the animals...little children do frequent zoos after all. I have known many fiesty 10 year olds! It is illogical to assume that everyone attending the zoo will not taunt the animals. I think it is reasonable to assume that patrons of a zoo would expect that the animals could not reach them under any circumstance. The Zoo wasn't up to code, and nothing changes that. There was no physical barrier to prevent the animal from getting out, only it's will. That is irresponsible to me.
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