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Same-sex Marriage Ban Leading in California

It's still too close call, but it looks like California voters have backed Proposition 8, which would change the state Constitution to ban same-sex marriage. California Supreme Court legalized nuptials for same-sex couples earlier this year, and more than 18,000 couples took advantage of the landmark decision.

Right now about 95 percent of the vote is counted and the measure has 52 percent of the vote, but election officials estimate there could be as many as two million ballots left to count — primarily mail ballots that arrived Tuesday. The San Francisco City Attorney's office says he plans to challenge the validity of a ballot measure.

Yesterday was a sad day for America across the board in terms of gay marriage. In Arizona, Proposition 102 which bans gay marriage, easily passed. In Florida, the gay marriage ban needed 60 percent of the vote and still passed, which also restricts rights of any cohabitating couple who are not husband and wife. Meanwhile, Arkansas passed a measure forbidding anyone other than a married man and woman from adopting a child.

Stay tuned for final results as they come in.

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Arch Arch 7 years
I've made a mistake and said: "I am a woman and I was man for man." Correction. I am a woman and I was made for man.
bluesarahlou bluesarahlou 7 years
Wow.
Arch Arch 7 years
People don't like homosexuality to be compared to incest or even bestiality, but yet, if you read your Bible, you will see that all three is discussed in the same chapter. I know that a lot of people don't believe in God, but for the ones that call themselves a Christian and don't see anything with homosexuals getting married. How can you ignore what God's word says? A lot of people feel that a person can't help who they fall in love with. Well, why do you believe something is wrong with a 35 year old man saying he's in love with a 13 year old girl? What about a 30 year old woman saying she's in love with 12 year old boy. These kind of people, you will say is sick. But what makes them sick. They are proclaiming to be in love. Do you all realize that a lot of people that walks this earth participate in bestiality and they will tell you that they are in love with the animal they are sleeping with. You will see this to be gross. But why see this gross. What are you going by to say this is wrong? A lot of homosexuals participate in incest as well as heterosexual people participate in incest. Do you still believe that incest is wrong and what are you basing this on? I could be wrong, but I believe that people will avoid the questions. They probably even go as far as to say that I don't know what I am talking about, etc. I wonder how many of you can honestly say that you believe that everyone should be happy, rather if they want to be with a child, animal or child, etc. People are fast to say that homosexuals are born that way. Well, do you realize that pedophiles believe they are born that was as well. I am a woman and I was man for man. Heterosexual is not written in The Bible. But, "Woman was made for man." is.
krystaa krystaa 7 years
thought we were passed this point ... guess not. very sad. for the 1st time i feel ashamed to live in CA :(
milosmommy milosmommy 7 years
Amen Hypnotic. Oh and Jonathan R, you're forgetting one thing that silversnowflake already brought up, Free Will. It is for other people to decide what they will and won't do in their lives not you and it's for God to judge them, not you.
allinavhcnerf allinavhcnerf 7 years
you go, hypnotic! :)
Kkkkkkkkkkk Kkkkkkkkkkk 7 years
Jennyrr: "People died to not be Europe anymore" Explain, please! Jonathan R, I take issue with a lot of your points, but hypnoticmix has already addressed them better than I could at this hour of the morning and before my coffee, but really, you cannot say "The Bible, which is the authority for our lives"... Our lives? Really? It may be the authority for your life but please don't try to impose it on me.
hypnoticmix hypnoticmix 7 years
Jonathan R clearly you are a devout Christian and I have no problem with that and how you see fit to follow your chosen faith, family tradition and the raising of your children. The problem begins when a devout person of any faith Christianity or other begin to force their beliefs on a free society chipping away at the Republic and laying the foundation for a Theocracy. You are free to live how you wish under the guidelines of the law. Is that not enough? Must you impose your beliefs on others? The clear difference between you and I Jonathan R is that no matter the differences which divide us I would have no problem defending your rights under the constitution of a free society to be and express your true self. One thing you may also want to reconsider is that homosexuality is no more a choice than heterosexuality. I know many men and a few women who are homosexual and tried to fall in line with societies expectations by having relationships with the opposite sex getting married having children only to have their true selves break free of their self imposed chains and divorce their partners to be who they really were all along.
Jonathan-R Jonathan-R 7 years
I have read all of the listed comments and the overwhelming consensus is that you are saddened by the outcome of the vote concerning same-sex marriages. I will be upfront and tell you that my convictions lead me to another side of the spectrum. However, I want to make it clear that I do not hate any people, I do however hate sin. Homosexuality is not something that a person is born with, therefore it cannot be a loss of a civil right as some people commented. Furthermore, the issue has everything to do with "religion." The Bible, which is the authority for our lives, clearly states, as some commented, that this is a sin, just like adultery, fornication, etc. I cannot ask people who first of all do not have a personal relationship with God to fully understand this concept, but I do challenge you all to read the book of John or Romans to try and understand what relationship you can have with the Savior, Jesus Christ. The bottom line is homosexuality is a sin and marriage was created from God to consist of one man and one woman. Thank you for taking the time to read this and I do hope this was at least semi-thought provoking!
jennyrr jennyrr 7 years
No offense to any gay couples-I don't live in Cali so I obviously didn't vote. I realize that you strongly believe what you do, but you have to realize the people opposed also believe strongly. I do not condone hatred of any kind-I think that accomplishes nothing. Most of the people, you are right, that voted against this are Christian. As a Christian, if you believe you can not support the agenda. Not out of hate, at least not for me, but because I believe in the bible. No one is better than anyone else, there are many things I do that are not acceptable as a Christian, but I don't endorse that as well. The rights you speak of in the constitution were founded on this philosophy. Obviously the people can vote to change it, but if the people vote no, then it stands. There are many things voted in I don't agree with, but as I said-it stands. We all have to live here, you want gay marriage, I want to be a Christian. It seems that it's always the ones "conserving" the constitution get all the blame when all we want to do is keep the country the way it was founded. People died to not be Europe anymore and here we are trying to go right back. Just appreciate the fact that we are here, we are blessed to have so much and we all need to stop fighting.
ceej ceej 7 years
How romantic, filing as domestic partners. How on earth is someone's lifestyle being forced on you? What nonsense.
StolzeMama StolzeMama 7 years
I know a lot of the people who voted yes on 8, did not do so because of an ewww factor. Many people do not want someones else's lifestyle to be forced upon them. In example, the photographer being sued because he did not want to photograph a gay wedding, and a fertility specialist who chose not to do an elective procedure on a gay couple because he does not agree morally on that issue also being sued. The others just cannot seem to understand why there cannot be a compromise. Marriage is a word many hold to a high standard. Why can't they be happy having all the rights but with a different word. Prop 8 did not eliminate any rights of gay couples. By California law, they have all the same rights as same sex couples as is by filing a domestic partnership with the state. But I noticed that everyone fails to mention this.
Mykie7 Mykie7 7 years
This is just sad. If people want to get married then they should be married. If it's a morality issue, it's not up to the rest of us to call that. THAT will be God's call in the end. I can bet that most people have some kind of Moral skeleton in their closet. They don't tell anyone about it, but in the end, when they meet their maker, they'll be judged by Him, not by the Constitution. This should not have passed. I may not agree with everything that California does, but I was proud when they made Gay Marriage legal. It's sad that now the government is taking it back.
RaCheer RaCheer 7 years
I live in Florida and voted against Amendment #2. They way it was worded on the ballot made is sound like it was an Amendment to only ban gay marriage but we already have several laws banning same-sex marriage. Voters were not informed correctly about the consequences of this amendment and that is what frustrates me. Amendment 2 could take away existing benefits from all unmarried Floridians and it could force seniors to choose between important benefits like sharing health care and important government benefits. And most importantly, it puts the government where it doesn't belong - regulating the personal relationships of Floridians.
Shadowdamage Shadowdamage 7 years
On another note I can't stand it when I see a post about legislation to pardon someone once convicted of crimes and proven innocent, or legislation to save a species as a "waste of time" and yet we have time to nose around and REVOKE this right? What...was there so many gay marriages in California that suddenly the population ground to a halt and everyone took off down the street in a cascade of crimson silk like the lost cast members of "To Wong Foo?" never to be seen again, off in some wierd place where evidently gay is just a step away from incest (oookay. whatever), total godlessness and dancing around a golden calf? Wasn't THIS a waste of time too? Wasn't THIS something that could have been let alone? Yeah yeah, bring on the legal arguments and I will just point to the HUGE segment of society that just got one of their most fundamental, basic human rights taken away from them. In America.
Shadowdamage Shadowdamage 7 years
Legal/constitutional arguments aside, to two people who HAPPEN to be of the same sex, who love each other deeply and want to commit to that in an honourable, binding way - it sure as hell isn't going to FEEL like a legal/constitutional issue. It is going to FEEL like discrimination. It is going to feel like one of their most basic, human rights has been taken away from them in the land of the free. Marriage used to be a lot of things, and we can argue its historical/religious context for ages. It also used to be used to get daughters out of the house, seal business deals, and end feuds. For the great portion of history, marriage for loving reasons wasn't exactly number one on the list, now was it? We don't really want to go there, we are HERE. And right now my heart goes out to those Americans affected by this silly, hurtful legislation that just makes it hard for ORDINARY people that happen to be gay, to live their lives to the fullest. Its very sad.
Kkkkkkkkkkk Kkkkkkkkkkk 7 years
In relation to the significance of being able to use the word "married" as opposed to "civil union", for me, having just gotten married in September, I attach a greater significance to now being able to call my partner my husband, and he now calling me his wife. I'm not sure if those words are perceived as "belonging" to any religion or not but to me that's been a huge part of the two of us officially declaring each other to be partners for life. Having said that I now want a divorce on the grounds that i no longer want a marriage, I want one of those fancy new "Totally-One-Hundred-Percent-Secular Bi-Humanoid Civic Unions" They sound awesome! (As long as he'll still be my husband) CYL, there was recently a case taken to the Supreme Court here in Ireland by a Canadian woman and her Irish wife who have moved to Ireland and were seeking to have the state recognise their Canadian marriage. They lost :(
anabj anabj 7 years
I don´t know why someone should want to ban a marriage between two adults, or why they think they have the right to do so. Maybe i don´t like ugly people to get married.
hypnoticmix hypnoticmix 7 years
I'm sorry but the ignorance that prevailed in four states last night is unacceptable. The fear that fortified that ignorance is unacceptable. Here in California the ads in favor of proposition 8 focused solely on children in public schools. Yes on Prop 8 asserted the notion that marriage is school curriculum here in Ca. and that Gay marriage would be taught in public schools and parents would have no say. However, their example was events that may or may not have happened in Massachusetts. Ma. is another State with a different constitution, different laws and different school curriculum. IMO marriage (period) should not be part of school corriculum anywhere whether I'm allowed to marry or not. As I've stated before marriage is an individual choice shaped by ones love for another, tradition and family. It should not be a philosophy shaped by the state. But just to play devils advocate though let's say that marriage is school curriculum here in Ca. You don't strip people of their fundamental constitutional rights under the law. If you have a theological difference over the matter what you should do then is write a proposition banning the teaching of marriage in schools so that you as a parent can reserve that information to be dispensed as you see fit for your child. That! Is a reasonable act. That! Makes sense but what happened last night was ignorance incarnate.
kranky kranky 7 years
lawchick - I can totally see your point now. Thanks! And beavis - thanks for helping me to think about this issue in a different way.
lawchick lawchick 7 years
I think that since the word marriage has been part of the laws for so long, there probably isn't any hope for getting it out of the laws. I am not advocating trying to take it out, but I do understand your points, and I'm glad we could have a pretty civil conversation about this.
beavis667 beavis667 7 years
It sounds so silly getting hung up on the terminology. As it was said before, alot of this is semantics. But there are constitutional implications. There are religious implications to which people hold dear, and then in your example, there are cultural/personal implications. It's a mess!
lawchick lawchick 7 years
kranky I just don't know! I would feel like I had been denied something if I had a civil union license (or whatever it's called) instead of a marriage license. but maybe that's just because I've grown up thinking of marriage as a legal institution as well as a religious institution, and I'm stuck on the terminology.
lawchick lawchick 7 years
beavis I see your point too -- I guess it is kind of weird for the state to be involved in my relationship other than for benefits.
kranky kranky 7 years
lawchick - thanks for sharing! Sounds like a nice ceremony. I honestly can't remember our vows. So it would bother you that the legal terminology (in MY perfect world) would be 'civil union' rather than marriage? Fair enough. I'm guessing that was the thinking behind using the 'M word' on Proposition 8.
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