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Is Sarah Palin a Better Rallying Tool For the Dems or GOP?

The Republicans have called in their star Sarah Palin to headline a major fund-raising event in June. Fabulous! — think Democratic fundraisers.

The Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee is asking supporters to contribute some cash, so they can stop Sarah Palin and Republicans from blocking President Obama's agenda.

Democrats and Republicans have different opinions about whether Sarah Palin would make a good national leader. But both parties agree that she makes a good national fundraiser. Who's side do you think she helps more?

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Grandpa Grandpa 6 years
milo, Gary came on this forum 5 days 15 hours ago, and has not been on now for 3 days 15 hours. Lets hope he is not on work related, as opposed to hit and run.
Grandpa Grandpa 6 years
Steph, I saw myself more of a umpire, then anything else. keeping the conversation on topic, which was Sarah Palin.
milosmommy milosmommy 6 years
I seemed that steph had him backed in a corner with no response left. But would have been interested to see if he did have a response.
stephley stephley 6 years
Yeah well, you backed the wrong horse on this one.
Grandpa Grandpa 6 years
"Maybe he didn't want a fact based discussion after all." Heck Steph, don't you just hate when folks do that. I was looking forward to learning a bit more about the Governor of Alaska.
stephley stephley 6 years
Maybe he didn't want a fact based discussion after all.
Grandpa Grandpa 6 years
I was hoping for the thread to continue as well, milo.
milosmommy milosmommy 6 years
No response from Gary???
stephley stephley 6 years
“But her biggest contribution is FINALLY getting the natural gas pipeline on track. Alaska has wanted that deal for 30 years. Politicians have fought the oil companies and fought each other for 30 years over it. She came in and got it done! Now of course, the usual suspects of Obama loyalists in Alaska, no doubt looking for the kind of payoff Kim Elton got from Obama why is this natural gas line HUGE?” Palin signed a deal with a foreign company for 500-million dollars last summer. TransCanada already is saying it may need Congress to authorize more than the 18-Billion dollars set aside for the pipeline builder. So in order to finance Palin’s Big Deal, the U.S. may end up bailing out a foreign company. Recently, TransCanada’s CEO has said he doesn’t know whether his company is going to be able to build the pipeline or not. So Miss-Can-Do-Palin has an agreement on paper – but nothing’s actually been done to start this HUGE natural gas line and the company she signed with already is whining about money and hedging on whether it can get the job done. This is junk: Well for one, NG is the cleanest fossil fuel there is. It's almost emissions free, which is why we cook with it indoors. And when burned in an automobile, it reduces emissions as much as 90 percent. Which makes it cleaner, net-net than an electric vehicle. (most electricity comes from coal fired plants) The US automakers have been making cars, trucks, and buses that run on compressed natural gas (CNG) for decades! So this is an absolute no brainer. And makes more sense than chasing idiotic, and costly "green" technologies, that just don't work. Even better, diesel engines particularly run well when converted to run on CNG. And we need diesel engines, because no electric motor is going to power a long haul rig. Even better, in Alaska alone, there is an estimated 400 trillion cubic feet of recoverable natural gas. That is more than all of the oil reserves in the world. Now, America has vast pockets of NG all over. It would solve our energy needs, but it's Governor Palin's efforts that will get it done. She's the only one doing anything realistic on energy, clean, or otherwise!" Grandpa – do you honestly consider this next part salient? There’s not one bit of proof offered for any of the following claims – with are just cut and pasted from a conservative blog: “You have brought a subject I have really been into. And that's the so called "troopergate" First off, that was a plot hatched by Barack Obama and some flunkies in Alaska. It ended up as a play for pay deal, when Obama rewarded Alaska Senator, Kim Elton a make work job at the Dept of Interior, for a job "well done" Kim Elton, Hollis French, and Steven Branchflower put this whole BS deal together as an "October surprise" to hurt the Republican ticket. Typical dirt Chicago politics. And NO, Sarah Palin wasn't found guilty of anything. In fact, upon review by the actual body responsible for looking into these kinda things, it was found that Stephen Branchflower's report was based on the wrong statute! You can read it all for yourself: http://hotrodsnitroandconservatism.blogtownhall.com/2009/03/10/with_sarah_palin,_barack_obama_shows_rod_blagojevich_how_pay_-for-play_is_done!.thtml “ Big surprise: the people Palin put on the job contradict a finding by people Palin didn’t put in their jobs. “As far as taking down the Alaskan Republican Party, yup, she sure did. Palin filed a formal complaint against Oil and Gas Conservation Commissioner Randy Ruedrich, also the chair of the state Republican Party, accusing him of doing work for the party on public time and of working closely with a company he was supposed to be regulating. She also joined with Democratic legislator Eric Croft to file a complaint against Gregg Renkes, a former Alaskan Attorney General, accusing him of having a financial conflict of interest in negotiating a coal exporting trade agreement, while Renkes was the subject of investigation and after records suggesting a possible conflict of interest had been released to the public. Ruedrich and Renkes both resigned and Ruedrich paid a record $12,000 fine.” She brought down a couple of insignificant cronies of an inept and on his way out governor. She didn’t uncover any serious wrongdoing and she didn’t take down the party. Palin’s ethic behavior has been challenged for her own emails, for changing her bridge to nowhere story, for charging her children’s travel to the state, for billing the state for time she spent at home. She’s fighting with both parties in her home state over her refusal to take stimulus funds. Palin talks about her teenaged-mother daughter to the press, then gets angry if the press talks about her teenaged- mother daughter. This devout Christian now says that none of her staffers on the McCain campaign were the sort of people she would want to pray with. Anytime anything she does is questioned now, Palin’s response simply is to blame the press. But she’s as big a mess as any other politician.
gary4205 gary4205 6 years
Grandpa...thanks for the back up! I honestly didn't show up here to start a fight. It's just when I see people print lies about Governor Palin, I get bent. But, I've learned liberal hate knows no bounds. It's rather sad. The Citizen Sugar story itself is fine and fair. First time I've been here, but these seems like an OK website. But no mater what Steph thinks, I indeed have facts on my side. Bubbha43bear..... Thank you as well. Palin is one of the most transparent politicians out there, and knowing a lot of Alaskans, it's easy to get the facts about her, good and bad. Now if Steph wants to talk actual policies and FACTS, lets bring it on! But if she just wants to continue the snipes and personal attacks, I'm not all that interested.
gary4205 gary4205 6 years
stephley ........ Golly Gary, try reading another thread here - you're clearly not as familiar with the site as you think. I wonder what else you haven't studied carefully enough before broadcasting your thoughts. **************************************************************************** What does that even mean? What is there to be familiar with. It's a website with comments sections. It's a story on Sarah Palin. Is it the fact that the truth about Sarah Palin is killing your liberal hate buzz? Or are you one of those people that go to a site and think they own it? It's funny, you were on here spouting nothing but lies, and now that you have been caught, all you want to do is attack me! How about we talk issues instead? Or is that above your pay grade?
gary4205 gary4205 6 years
genesisrocks It's a little strange. I didn't think Sarah was such a controversial topic. I mean compared to other politicians and issues she's pretty new on the scene, it doesn't seem like there should be this much strong loyalty to ********************************************************************* What are you talking about? She's been in politics since 1992, longer than Barack Obama. She's done a hell of a lot more than Barack Obama who has never run a city, never run a state, and never run a hot dog stand. And his poor performance reflects that. As a politician, she's conservative, but has done nothing controversial. Unless you count cleaning up corruption, and cutting insane government spending controversial. . It's just the haters, many paid, BTW, who have created phony "controversies". Maybe you don't get around, or pay a lot of attention to politics. I've been following the Governor for years. Again, since you may not be very political, you might not have noticed that by mid 2007 (BEFORE the primaries) there was a huge Draft Sarah Palin movement, for VP. Once the primaries started, it picked up steam. She was on the lips of every knowledgeable conservative out there. For the people who had not heard of her before, they instantly realized she "got it". She connected with more people in a shorter time than anyone I can remember in my lifetime. (and I'm old enough to have voted for Renaldus Magnus) After her acceptance speech at the RNC, the most watched speech for a VP nominee, ever. A speech that had more viewers than Obama's "Greek Tragedy" in Denver the week before. A thrilling speech given WITHOUT the use of a teleprompter. (it broke!) Sarah Palin set a fund raising record! Most of the GOP voters had no use for John McCain whatsoever. He is a democrat who refuses to set with them,. The local RNC offices were going begging for donations, and volunteers. By the Monday after her speech, volunteers were coming out of the woodwork, offices were full, and the wallets were open! That sort of thing doesn't just happen. And her supporters haven't waned. Nope, the numbers keep growing and growing. Every day a new website supporting Governor Palin springs up. And that's why everyone is talking about her. And talking about her so much. It's why people like Bill Clinton, Henry Kissinger, and SNL's Loren Michaels all describe her as a force of nature. An amazing person. Greta Van Susteren, a big liberal, has been on her side since the election. (even though she voted for Obama) Greta has seen something in Palin that resonates in regular people. Dick Morris, a best selling author, who was an advisor to Bill Clinton in Arkansas, and his first White House Chief Of Staff, as well as an advisor to presidents and prime ministers all over the world, was on Greta's show last night, as it happens. The were talking about Sarah Palin, of course. Morris has been on her side from day one, having met her long before she was chosen for the national ticket. Here's some video from last night. The best is Morris ripping on Charlie Gibson! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LrpeqUk7ys&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.conservatives4palin.com%2F&feature=player_embedded Frankly, as someone who follows politics strongly, and as someone who has studied Sarah Palin intently, I'm trying to figure out why anyone is talking about any other politician! She's the only one who matters!
Grandpa Grandpa 6 years
Not only do actual wildlife management experts applaud her efforts, the numbers prove she has a clue. Through positive predator management, the herds of dear, moose, caribou, and other game, all of which were in serious trouble, have are now thriving. Now, energy and the environment run together. Not only did she have to deal with environmental issues at the AOGCC, but as Chairman of the Interstate Oil and Gas Compact Commission (made up of other state Governors) she continually deals with environmentally sound ways of producing energy. It's what they do. Currently, Alaska gets a full 25 percent of it's energy from renewable sources. That is Obama's goal for the nation. Palin has the goal of 50 percent of all of Alaska's energy coming from renewables by 2025. DOUBLE what the greenies want. But her biggest contribution is FINALLY getting the natural gas pipeline on track. Alaska has wanted that deal for 30 years. Politicians have fought the oil companies and fought each other for 30 years over it. She came in and got it done! Now of course, the usual suspects of Obama loyalists in Alaska, no doubt looking for the kind of payoff Kim Elton got from Obama why is this natural gas line HUGE? Well for one, NG is the cleanest fossil fuel there is. It's almost emissions free, which is why we cook with it indoors. And when burned in an automobile, it reduces emissions as much as 90 percent. Which makes it cleaner, net-net than an electric vehicle. (most electricity comes from coal fired plants) The US automakers have been making cars, trucks, and buses that run on compressed natural gas (CNG) for decades! So this is an absolute no brainer. And makes more sense than chasing idiotic, and costly "green" technologies, that just don't work. Even better, diesel engines particularly run well when converted to run on CNG. And we need diesel engines, because no electric motor is going to power a long haul rig. Even better, in Alaska alone, there is an estimated 400 trillion cubic feet of recoverable natural gas. That is more than all of the oil reserves in the world. Now, America has vast pockets of NG all over. It would solve our energy needs, but it's Governor Palin's efforts that will get it done. She's the only one doing anything realistic on energy, clean, or otherwise! You have brought a subject I have really been into. And that's the so called "troopergate" First off, that was a plot hatched by Barack Obama and some flunkies in Alaska. It ended up as a play for pay deal, when Obama rewarded Alaska Senator, Kim Elton a make work job at the Dept of Interior, for a job "well done" Kim Elton, Hollis French, and Steven Branchflower put this whole BS deal together as an "October surprise" to hurt the Republican ticket. Typical dirt Chicago politics. And NO, Sarah Palin wasn't found guilty of anything. In fact, upon review by the actual body responsible for looking into these kinda things, it was found that Stephen Branchflower's report was based on the wrong statute! You can read it all for yourself: http://hotrodsnitroandconservatism.blogtownhall.com/2009/03/10/with_sarah_palin,_barack_obama_shows_rod_blagojevich_how_pay_-for-play_is_done!.thtml Here is the part that points out that Sarah Palin did NOTHING wrong,but the democrat thugs did. "Within days of the election, the Juneau Empire, the capitol city’s newspaper, reported that a separate report by the personnel board cleared Governor Palin of any ethics violations, stating: "There is no probable cause to believe that the governor, or any other state official, violated the Alaska Executive Ethics Act in connection with these matters" As if to punctuate the point further, Timothy Petumenos, an independent investigator for the Alaska Personnel Board, further said this: “Branchflower used a wrong statute as the basis for his conclusions, misconstrued the available evidence and did not consider or obtain all the material evidence to reach a proper finding.” He went on further to state that his investigation included much more data, including additional e-mails of state personnel, including Palin. Petumenos concluded that Palin did not seek the trooper's firing after she became Governor. He stated: "Also absent from the evidence reviewed is any assertion that the Governor directed anyone in the Department of Public Safety to terminate Trooper Wooten, or directed anyone on her staff to seek the termination of Trooper Wooten," Of course, and again, the best evidence of this is the fact that Trooper Wooten, is still, Trooper Wooten! As far as taking down the Alaskan Republican Party, yup, she sure did. Palin filed a formal complaint against Oil and Gas Conservation Commissioner Randy Ruedrich, also the chair of the state Republican Party, accusing him of doing work for the party on public time and of working closely with a company he was supposed to be regulating. She also joined with Democratic legislator Eric Croft to file a complaint against Gregg Renkes, a former Alaskan Attorney General, accusing him of having a financial conflict of interest in negotiating a coal exporting trade agreement, while Renkes was the subject of investigation and after records suggesting a possible conflict of interest had been released to the public. Ruedrich and Renkes both resigned and Ruedrich paid a record $12,000 fine. Others were involved, but you get the point.
Grandpa Grandpa 6 years
What Salient points? Here, i have taken the liberty to cut and paste, what i consider salient points in favor of Governor Palin. I would love you to pick them apart piece by piece if you can. Just don't say it has been done, if it has cut and paste the answers.
stephley stephley 6 years
What salient points? Gary seems to have Palin's resume in order - but as I listed, most of his claims beyond that are arguable if not flat out untrue. I responded to Gary once, he came back with a somewhat hysterical fan-rant. If you think it's credible, lap it up. Add to it. Embellish the more exciting parts of the woman's political biography. Enjoy it while you can.
Grandpa Grandpa 6 years
Why next time, Steph? The salient points put out there should be addressed if they are in error, or you are implicitly accepting them. Here again I emphasise facts presented, not deductions twice removed from those facts.
buddha43bear buddha43bear 6 years
Although there is a lot of criticism about Gary, he has more factual substance to his comments than any liberal has in their remarks. He is a solid supporter of Governor Palin in recognition of her executive skills and leadership. Sarah's accomplishments are acknowledged by millions of people who chose to vote for her instead of O'bama. Our great nation is being destroyed and converted into a third world country. We are struggling to preserve our basic human rights while O'bama's rule of tyranny moves on. God help us!
stephley stephley 6 years
Oh well. Maybe next time Citizen writes about Palin. I'm sure it will be soon.
chatondeneige chatondeneige 6 years
I sort of wish this post had been a lively debate, rather than new members contributing some things which could be discussed and older members essentially saying "NUH UH!" and accusing anyone who brings any debatable points to the table of being sock puppet accounts for the Palin staff. :oy:
Grandpa Grandpa 6 years
Steph, I think Gary has made some salient points with regards to Sarah Palin, and her actual accomplishments. I do believe the smear machine that attacked Sarah Palin and HER FAMILY, encouraged and supported by the MSM was about the worst I have ever seen in trying to destroy her. I have not seen any on the side of the left, ever present documentation of her mismanagement as a governor. Lots of innuendo though Since we have people here now that are from Alaska, and knowledgeable, might I suggest that the case against Sarah Palin be limited to documented acts, and let her defenders defend. I think attacks on POTUS, and his administration is not useful here and is a distraction. Let’s not attack each others integrity or intelligence.
stephley stephley 6 years
Golly Gary, try reading another thread here - you're clearly not as familiar with the site as you think. I wonder what else you haven't studied carefully enough before broadcasting your thoughts.
genesisrocks genesisrocks 6 years
It's a little strange. I didn't think Sarah was such a controversial topic. I mean compared to other politicians and issues she's pretty new on the scene, it doesn't seem like there should be this much strong loyalty to her.
gary4205 gary4205 6 years
genesisrocks Is that some sort of problem for you?
genesisrocks genesisrocks 6 years
What's with all the new avatar-less members commenting? Did a bunch of people join this site just to comment on this?
Neane Neane 6 years
I am a conservative, and I can say I was initially motivated by Sarah Palin. Since then, I can definately say that the biggest motivation is Obama, and he is quickly spurring a huge revival among conservatives. Obama has awaken the sleeping dragon. There could be no better way to promote conservatism that the current situation of a liberal pres. and congress, and the horrendous havoc they are reeking on the country. The liberals are quickly alienating many democrats, and enraging conservatives, and there will be no one else to blame for the mess that liberals are causing. Liberals will be forced to take responsibility. Unfortunately, we all have to live with the consequences and pay off the debt. Atleat many are seeing the true side of Obama, Pelosi, Frank, Dodd, Reid and the rest of them, and not liking what they see, are already trying to distance themselves. This is great for the republicans. Obama is the best weapon ever against the party that elected him.
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