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Say What? Obama Outraged by Murder of Abortion Doctor


"I am shocked and outraged by the murder of Dr. George Tiller as he attended church services this morning. However profound our differences as Americans over difficult issues such as abortion, they cannot be resolved by heinous acts of violence."

President Obama released a statement yesterday, after abortion doctor George Tiller was shot dead while he attended church. Tiller was one of the few physicians in the US who provided late-term abortions, and he was targeted by high-profile people like Bill O'Reilly, who for years called him a "baby killer." Following his murder, Tiller's family also released a statement that said: "George dedicated his life to providing women with high-quality health care despite frequent threats and violence."

Are you surprised that the murderer, who most likely considers himself pro-life, could take the life of another human being?

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StolzeMama StolzeMama 7 years
Margo comment # 23... right on. Thanks for putting things into perspective. I don't think what he was doing was right, but neither is killing the dr. That man that shot him should be held accountable and if they have the death penalty in Kansas, should be up for it. It was premeditated and malicious. With that said, most of the partial birth abortions are done becuase of health of the mother concerns which I simply cannot understand since they deliver the baby either way. I hope we can get legislation that does not allow a parent the right to choose if their baby lives or dies in that fashion
Frank-y-Ava Frank-y-Ava 7 years
Tiller = Hero Soldier = Hero I'm not going to say a soldier isn't a hero because s/he kills innocent human beings. So if anyone wants to compare the two your not making sense in my eyes. Shooting a man in church completely barbaric. Two steps forward, 3 steps back.
pioneers pioneers 7 years
Personally, I would think that the rise of Planned Parenthood (as well as several other similar organizations) in the late 1980's and 90's would be a major contributing factor. Their large-scale national advocacy campaigns did not begin until 1989 with the establishment of the PPFA. Also, sex education as we know it today was not offered in most schools in the US until the 1990's; while previously offered in varying forms, the 1980's was seen as a time of "confusion" in the lesson; between abstinence-based curricula and the mounting fears of AIDS, lessons were often ridden with vague innuendo, half truths, and speculation. Later, (after this study was conducted) there was a push toward state mandated curricula. Only six had mandated curricula in 1980, according to the report, "Risk and Responsibility" from the Alan Guttmacher Institute. Also, simply thinking of the change in family dynamics and the presence of sex in mainstream culture directs me to believe that there has been a major shift in the views and knowledge of sex among women. There have been many, many changes. However, don't get me wrong. I'm not saying this means that your cited source is incorrect. I'm also not saying that some of this may still be true today; I am merely saying that checking your sources, as well as finding recent, accurate studies really leads to a much firmer argument.
Chouette4u Chouette4u 7 years
"but think of everything that has changed since then. " What has changed since then that you think would affect the reasons women get late term abortions?
CaterpillarGirl CaterpillarGirl 7 years
Pioneers in this case I disagree that the study is outdated because its from 1988. I would find that womens reasons are pretty much the same today as they were 22 years ago.
pioneers pioneers 7 years
I really don't think it's possible to clearly, accurately articulate WHY women have late-term abortions. Studies on the matter have been scarce and varying in success. For instance, notice that the study cited by Chouette was published in a journal in 1988; it was actually conducted in the previous year. In most fields, 22-year old studies are seen as pretty outdated and inaccurate, and I can see how this would be similar. When conducting research of any kind, I've never (nor have any of my colleagues) founded my main argument based on a study that is any more than 7 years old. Data for the reasoning behind late-term abortions is not widely available because it is such a painful, private matter. Women do not choose to disclose their reasoning because of this. It's a really difficult study to conduct well. I'm not saying that Chouette's study was unfounded or inaccurate at the time, but think of everything that has changed since then. Just check (and re-check, and re-check) your sources.
CaterpillarGirl CaterpillarGirl 7 years
Calimie I was answering this statement "Caterpillar, yes, it's twisted when someone thinks they're "pro-life" and kill someone in the process" so it fits.
Meike Meike 7 years
Despite the fact that I do not agree with late term abortions, it still is horrendous that Tiller was killed and in a church during service, no less... Can you imagine the reactions of the families and children witnessing that?
eveday eveday 7 years
If you guys saw what happens in Brazil (where abortion is illegal unless the woman had been raped or if there's risk for the mother's life) you'd see how great it is having the freedom of choice there where you live. Many (mostly poor) young girls and women die because they need to have an abortion, but since it's illegal here (really, they can go to jail) -- they have to resort to clandestine clinics. The result of all this is simply awful.
Chouette4u Chouette4u 7 years
"Not all babies can be "saved" after birth. In some cases, no matter what medical intervention is attempted the baby may not live for more than a few hours. Most physicians actully recommend aganist medical intervention in these cases." Of course not all of them could be saved, but people here keep talking about a situation where the MOTHER is at risk, and in these cases there is often nothing wrong with the baby (notice the 2% stat in my previous comment) other than being pre-term. Obviously a 19 weeker will not survive and it only makes sense to keep everyone comfortable, but many 24 weekers can survive and it's only ethical to try and save the baby's life. If the baby has anencephaly or some other condition that is obviously not viable, I'm not arguing that doctors should do anything, but in that situation, the mother would be giving birth in a hospital setting with her OB/peri, not in some "women's health clinic".
flyinggrip flyinggrip 7 years
Not all babies can be "saved" after birth. In some cases, no matter what medical intervention is attempted the baby may not live for more than a few hours. Most physicians actully recommend aganist medical intervention in these cases.
Chouette4u Chouette4u 7 years
For anyone interested, there was a study done in the reasons why women get late term abortions. These were the reasons cited and the percentage of women who got a late term abortion for said reason: 71% Woman didn't recognize she was pregnant or misjudged gestation 48% Woman found it hard to make arrangements for abortion 33% Woman was afraid to tell her partner or parents 24% Woman took time to decide to have an abortion 8% Woman waited for her relationship to change 8% Someone pressured woman not to have abortion 6% Something changed after woman became pregnant 6% Woman didn't know timing is important 5% Woman didn't know she could get an abortion 2% A fetal problem was diagnosed late in pregnancy 11% Other Source: http://www.holysmoke.org/fem/fem0543.htm As you can see, only 2% were done because of a fetal problem. And if there is an actual problem past 22 weeks or so that threatens the mother's life, (ethical) doctors will usually try to wait as long as they can and then DELIVER the baby and try to save its life-they don't just give the woman an "abortion" and not give it a chance at life.
zuke zuke 7 years
I don't know that I'd go so far as to call this guy "heroic", but he certainly did help people. I agree with Calimie with what she said on why late-term pregnancies are terminated, and I feel that would really be the only acceptable reason for an abortion, as they really can hurt the mothers and families in many ways. My pastor would say that it doesn't matter how bad the child's life would be because it would still be murder, but I think letting an innocent child suffer would be even worse.I don't like the idea of abortions done "just because," but if there is a serious medical issue that threatens the life of either the mother or the child, then I really don't think there is any other alternative.
zuke zuke 7 years
I don't know that I'd go so far as to call this guy "heroic", but he certainly did help people. I agree with Calimie with what she said on why late-term pregnancies are terminated, and I feel that would really be the only acceptable reason for an abortion, as they really can hurt the mothers and families in many ways. My pastor would say that it doesn't matter how bad the child's life would be because it would still be murder, but I think letting an innocent child suffer would be even worse. I don't like the idea of abortions done "just because," but if there is a serious medical issue that threatens the life of either the mother or the child, then I really don't think there is any other alternative.
sham28 sham28 7 years
I certainly don't think so.If you end a life because that person could very likely hurt or kill you, you are simply chosing to defend your own life. Striking parallel: If a woman ends the fetus's life because she would hemorrhage to death if she attempted to deliver it, she choses to defend her own life.Cater, I do absolutely respect your opinion on this. But obviously we could go on forever about this and my workday is over.:)
sham28 sham28 7 years
I certainly don't think so. If you end a life because that person could very likely hurt or kill you, you are simply chosing to defend your own life. Striking parallel: If a woman ends the fetus's life because she would hemorrhage to death if she attempted to deliver it, she choses to defend her own life. Cater, I do absolutely respect your opinion on this. But obviously we could go on forever about this and my workday is over. :)
Calimie Calimie 7 years
That man wasn't going to anybody's house. He went to a Church. Women went to him for help. Your analogy doesn't apply here.
Calimie Calimie 7 years
That man wasn't going to anybody's house. He went to a Church. Women went to him for help. Your analogy doesn't apply here.
CaterpillarGirl CaterpillarGirl 7 years
I am pro life and will shoot someone if they come into my house, am I a hypocrite?
b1uebunn b1uebunn 7 years
Caterpillar, yes, it's twisted when someone thinks they're "pro-life" and kill someone in the process.
Calimie Calimie 7 years
Indeed, CG, indeed.
Calimie Calimie 7 years
Indeed, CG, indeed.
CaterpillarGirl CaterpillarGirl 7 years
how twisted humanity has become.
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