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Seattle's Schizophrenic Shooter Had Valid Gun Permit

Seattle's Schizophrenic Shooter Had Valid Gun Permit

A mentally ill man who shot three people at a music festival in the Pacific Northwest last week had obtained his weapon with a valid concealed weapon permit. A bullet from his Glock 19 handgun hit three victims last Saturday while Grainger was fighting another man. The bullet passed through a man's nose, another's wrist, finally ending up in a woman's leg.

22-year-old Clinton C. Grainger suffers from anxiety and schizophrenia and has been receiving treatment for a meth addiction since he was 18. Grainger's issues did show up as disqualifying conditions when he applied for a gun permit in January 2007. A mental illness diagnosis alone is not enough to restrict a citizen's right to bear arms under Washington state and US federal law.

To find out what federal law is regarding mental illness and gun permits,

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Federal law requires that an individual be involuntarily committed to a mental institution, found not guilty by insanity, or deemed by a judge as a "mental defective" and a danger to himself or others, before second amendment rights are restricted. Nevertheless, it appears that if background checks were more sophisticated, at least Grainger's narcotic addiction would have prevented him from obtaining the permit. Yet, as with the shooting tragedy at Virginia Tech, crucial disqualifying information located in different systems were not properly shared.

Are nominal and negligent background checks to blame for victims' injuries? Should we make it harder for those with a mental health diagnosis to obtain a gun? Considering that many Americans are treated for anxiety and depression, what mental illness should cause a citizen to lose the right to bear arms?

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MarinerMandy MarinerMandy 7 years
I'm a bit late to the this conversation (my CitizenSugar time was rudely interruped by my honeymoon!), but we all know I need to throw in my 2 cents on anything gun related. You do not need a permit of any kind to own or carry a gun; however, if you carry a gun without a concealed weapons permit it cannot be concealed in which case you will be arrested and charged with brandishing. The FBI is so incredibly screwed up on how background checks go and sharing information...I have so many really messed up stories on that. And, Washington is a right to carry state. I dunno, my first thought when I heard this story was being surprised that anyone at Folklife was the type to have a gun in the first place! It's always struck me as the mellow hippy festival.
Silverlining10 Silverlining10 7 years
I think if anyone has a problem with this article (i.e. they're pro-guns, they're pro-killing, they're pro-letting mentally ill people have guns), then they shouldn't bash citizensugar for posting this article. It's still news, so if you think this has been "done" before, then get over it and just ignore the post. Instead, of writing "rah, rah, rah" and being condescending to the other members. Mentally ill people shouldn't be allowed to carry guns. Especially schizophrenics who need to be baby-sat because they often refuse to take their medication. Anybody allowed to own or carry a gun should NOT be on anti-psychotics or suffering from a disease that causes them to self-harm and possibly harm others.
harmonyfrance harmonyfrance 7 years
CUPCAKES!!!! :drool:
cine_lover cine_lover 7 years
I have found a trick to citizen and it making me fat. I now carry an extra piece of fruit with me to work and when sweets get brought up, I eat the fruit. Mmmmm.... Cupcakes :drool:
KrisSugar KrisSugar 7 years
it also happens that someone left the half used container of icing on the platter with the cupcakes, and that directly below that was a drawer full of plastic knives. knife + icing container = SIN.
KrisSugar KrisSugar 7 years
devil's food cupcakes with cream cheese icing! it was the icing that got me. it sort of addles my brain, causing me to be inclined to eat it and whatever it might be on. even slightly dry cupcakes.
The-City-Girl The-City-Girl 7 years
Holy Cow! I actually was on a trip to Seattle and AT Folklife with friends that day! I had no idea that that happened. . .craaazy.
cine_lover cine_lover 7 years
What kind of cupcakes?
KrisSugar KrisSugar 7 years
i did have a good lunch, but I ate like a hog and now I'm guilty. I had three cupcakes. THREE! ugh. (it was a goodbye lunch for some coworkers)
syako syako 7 years
well then, Kris, my dear, you had a productive lunch.
jennifer76 jennifer76 7 years
What happened to a good old fashioned knife fight? No one has knife skills anymore. When I was a kid I could toss a piece of toast in the air and have it buttered on both sides before it hit the plate. :rotfl: :rotfl: This hilarious paragraph requires a :fogey: smiley.
KrisSugar KrisSugar 7 years
well, i found out at lunch that in tx you don't have to have a permit to own a gun, but you have to have a permit to carry one. in that case, yes you do have to take classes on how to shoot before you can get your permit.
cine_lover cine_lover 7 years
Hypno, my father talks about the knife fights they used to have when he was a kid. They used to have gang fights and guns were banned. You could only bring certain weapons. That was why they wore leather jackets in the gangs, so it was harder to cut with a knife.
stephley stephley 7 years
Hypono I like you better every post!
hypnoticmix hypnoticmix 7 years
Well first of all Federal/State information sharing system needs to be implemented. This is in the works as a result of the formation of the Dept. of Homeland Security and I'm once its set up there it will trickle down to other departments. In my opinion given the sanctity of life, the capability of a bullet and the uncertainty of depression not person with diagnosed with mental issues should be allowed to bare arms. What happened to a good old fashioned knife fight? No one has knife skills anymore. When I was a kid I could toss a piece of toast in the air and have it buttered on both sides before it hit the plate.
popgoestheworld popgoestheworld 7 years
"How do we make it impossible to get a gun? Would that work like how we've made it impossible to get drugs?" Ha ha jennifer, I love it. I used to be somewhat irrationally just anti-gun. Buuuut, then I moved in with a Libertarian who has like 15 research books on guns with studies of how banning handguns in cities actually increases crime blah blah. The right answer is not banning all guns. The right answer also isn't that every single person has a right to own a gun. It would seem that better background checks, classes etc. would be a happy medium. I think the problem here is that it's such a polarizing issue neither side wants to be seen as ceding ground.
jennifer76 jennifer76 7 years
Well, huh. Maybe I'm just a :fogey: I just looked up the requirements for Oregon and they do require a "traffic safety education course" now. They didn't when I was getting mine. And, at the time, you had to have your permit for a certain amount of time - can't remember what now - but you didn't have to keep track of hours.
Kimpossible Kimpossible 7 years
Drivers ed is not required in all states. If you don't take it you do have to have more driving hours on your permit before you take your test to get your liceense though.
cine_lover cine_lover 7 years
I know in New York if you are under 18 you are required to take drivers Ed. Over 18 you don't have to, but must pass the driving test. Same as in Washington state. But after you take your driving test you never have to take it again unless you allow it to expire.
stiletta stiletta 7 years
I think when you have a highly publicized "gun free" zone you also have a highly publicized "protection free" zone. If I wanted to rob someone where am I likely to go? The place where people have weapons or the place where I know they don't.
zeze zeze 7 years
How old were you when you got ur license, I know in some states older people (18+) don't need a class, but at 15 you need it to get your permit, 2 courses actually, one is 6wks I think and the other is 2.
jennifer76 jennifer76 7 years
Really, em! I've had a permit in Hawaii and both a permit and a license in Oregon and have never taken any sort of driver education. I just read the book, drove around with my parents and boyfriend and took my test for my license. :shrug:
jennifer76 jennifer76 7 years
I think that's what it was in reference to, also, cine. But I never took a drivers ed class. I wasn't required to in either state I've had a driving permit/license in. :? I think it might be a good idea to require a class as well. In fact, I think there is one required here in NC.
em1282 em1282 7 years
Wow, really Jennifer? I've never heard of that! (Referring to not having to take a class to get your license). Here I had to take a class, take a test, and *then* I got my license. Interesting...
cine_lover cine_lover 7 years
"It's already illegal to shoot random people at a music festival. Not sure how making it illegal to have the gun you use to shoot random people at a music festival would be more effective..." This made me smile. I love it! I think the class is in reference to drivers ed and the driving test you have to take. At least that is what I thought. I think something like that could work.
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