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Should the Bush Administration Do More For Peace in Gaza?

A recent Gallup poll asked Americans whether the Bush administration should be doing more, is doing the right amount, or should be doing less to help resolve the conflict in Gaza. Only 33 percent said the current American leadership should be doing more, compared to a combined 52 percent who oppose more US involvement.

Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice has been calling for a sustainable ceasefire, different than other countries that called for an immediate end to the violence. Last week, the US abstained from voting on a UN Security Resolution, passed by all other 14 members, which called for an immediate ceasefire. Both Hamas and Israel rejected the resolution. Yesterday, Israeli Prime Minister took credit for the US abstention saying:

[W]hen the secretary of state wanted to lead the vote on a ceasefire at the Security Council, we did not want her to vote in favor. I said "get me President Bush on the phone." They said he was in the middle of giving a speech in Philadelphia. I said I didn't care. "I need to talk to him now." He got off the podium and spoke to me. I told him the United States could not vote in favor. . . . He immediately called the secretary of state and told her not to vote in favor."

US officials say Olmert's wrong, and Rice always was going to abstain from voting for an immediate ceasefire. Whether or not Israel's Prime Minister is responsible for US policy, do you think the Bush administration is doing enough?

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Myst Myst 7 years
Actually Sommelier, there are many ways to support those claims. Just go to United Nations site. They have the list of the Peace Treaty agreements and the number of times they've been accepted or rejected and it presents both sides. and also during the cease-fire this month, on the Israel foreign minitry site they show you that from the month of July to November there are only 4 rockets fires and they acknowledge did not come from Hamas. As Hamas had actually honored their end of the bargain of the cease-fire and said they would not shoot any rockets for the time. They only resumed on after Nov 4 when Israel had bomb some of their tunnels and killed 6 of their men. The facts are out there. If you want more info, the BBC, Haraartz.com (Israel newspaper) and Al, Jaaber (Muslim newspaper) all give very objective viewpoints all sides.
Myst Myst 7 years
Actually Sommelier, there are many ways to support those claims. Just go to United Nations site. They have the list of the Peace Treaty agreements and the number of times they've been accepted or rejected and it presents both sides. and also during the cease-fire this month, on the Israel foreign minitry site they show you that from the month of July to November there are only 4 rockets fires and they acknowledge did not come from Hamas. As Hamas had actually honored their end of the bargain of the cease-fire and said they would not shoot any rockets for the time. They only resumed on after Nov 4 when Israel had bomb some of their tunnels and killed 6 of their men. The facts are out there. If you want more info, the BBC, Haraartz.com (Israel newspaper) and Al, Jaaber (Muslim newspaper) all give very objective viewpoints all sides.
Great-Sommelier Great-Sommelier 7 years
Actually, Myst, there is no way to support a claim like that. And secondly, Israel has been burned by these people so many times, can you not see why they don't believe Hamas?
Myst Myst 7 years
Actually no Sommelier, there's very few in the Arab world that doesn't recognize Israel. Egypt, Turkey, Jordan, and Saudi Arabia have been very friendly terms with Israel since the 1979 Peace Treaty. Secondly, Hamas and Hezbollah have repeatedly said that they will stop the rocket fire and the shelling if Israel remove the economic blockade to which Israel has refused to do so since they left occupation and would agree to at least a 100 years of peace with them and remove their "Destruction of Israel" from their charter if they agree to a two-state solutions and the return of pre-1967 territories that Israel illegally took. Something that Israel again rejected as well. And Lastly *Israel is an occupying force of Gaza and the West bank, according to international laws and the UN resolutions. These laws stated that nations have the legal rights to resist occupations by all means including armed resistance. So Israel is the occupier and Hamas and the Palestinians are the occupied, accordingly they are defending themselves against the aggression of the occupier.
Great-Sommelier Great-Sommelier 7 years
"Israel's actions in the past 40 years, and especially in the past 3 years have shown to me that they are not willing to have serious peace talks" Can you imagine if people still didn't even recognize you as a country? Can you imagine being shelled constantly? I really, really don't understand disdain for Israel. I have many other thoughts on the seeming alignments of those who seem to support gaza but will keep them to myself.
Myst Myst 7 years
Michly.. I'm sorry I didn't realize that. Look I know Israel's fight is not "with the people of Gaza". Both of my parents are military and I know first hand the reason for it and why some an can even justify it. Israel's actions in the past 40 years, and especially in the past 3 years have shown to me that they are not willing to have serious peace talks. Israel also clearly knows that you can not attack a heavily populated area such as Gaza in this manner, and doing the things that they are doing, that even Israel humanitarian groups, the UN, Red Cross are condemning. The use of white phosphorous was the last straw for me. It is ridiculous unnecessary and Israel knows that fully well and they excuse for using is just bunk. They are the 3rd largest military power in the world with the IDF and IAF being some of the best trained soldiers you will ever find. They know how to target Hamas fully well without having such a high number of civilian death tolls. Yes I know Hamas is "hiding in civilian clothing" which is something that I condemn as well as it's cowardly. However, dropping a 2000 pound bomb on a apartment that killed all of the occupants along with those neighboring, is not justifiable and will never be. And it sets a precedent that I don't even want to think about.
michlny michlny 7 years
In response to the nearly constant barrage of rockets and missiles launched by Hamas and other terrorist organizations in Gaza, Israel took military action against Hamas installations in the Gaza Strip. Israel is not at war with the people of Gaza or the Palestinian people. Israel's action is directed against the terrorist organization Hamas and its operational infrastructure. Israel is fulfilling its duty and responsibility to protect the people of Israel who have been terrorized by the ongoing assault by Hamas. No sovereign government in the world would stand by and allow its citizens to be under steady and heavy attack. In light of the unceasing attacks, Israel had no choice but to act against Hamas and eliminate its operational capabilities. As President-elect Barak Obama said when he visited the beleaguered town of Sderot in July 2008, "If somebody was sending rockets into my house, where my two daughters sleep at night, I'm going to do everything in my power to stop that."
michlny michlny 7 years
Myst - I was not responding to you. I am simply posting facts. It is unfair to compare a nation with terrorists. I choose not to argue as I know who is at fault. "Rockets from Gaza continue to land in Israeli communities on a daily basis. While the situation has escalated in recent weeks, the town of Sderot -- located less than a mile from the Gaza border -- has endured continual rocket attacks for the past eight years. Parents cannot take their children to school without facing grave danger. Children cannot go beyond their front yards to play for fear of a rocket attack. These are things we never think of, but things that the families of Sderot and the surrounding towns live with daily."
Great-Sommelier Great-Sommelier 7 years
Wow
Myst Myst 7 years
You're mistaking the PLO and Hamas. Hamas is no longer part of PLO and hasn't been since 2004. The PLO under Fatha are now more moderate and are in control of the West Bank with Hamas in control of Gaza and are actually working more for peace. So get that fact straight. Second all of Israel's war with the other Arab nations ended in Peace treaties, not one defeating the other. Third: Israel has been violating UN sanctions and peace treaties since '67 by increasing territories that they were never given. Lastly: Palestinians and the PLO haven't been in support of Hamas for the last 3 years. During the 6 month cease-fire this year, Hamas did not fire any rockets and Israel did not honor it's cease-fire agreement to let 100 percent of humanitarian aid to come into Gaza as it was agreement, they only let 20 percent in. To me this isn't a Jew and Muslim thing. I could care less about the religious beliefs here as I'm agnostic. This is a right and wrong. And both sides are wrong.
michlny michlny 7 years
** The PLO's Charter still calls for the destruction of the State of Israel. Israel has given the Palestinians most of the West Bank land, autonomy under the Palestinian Authority, and has supplied them. ** The Arab-Israeli Conflict: the Arabs are represented by eight separate nations, not including the Palestinians. There is only one Jewish nation. The Arab nations initiated all five wars and lost. Israel defended itself each time and won.
Myst Myst 7 years
Also only 6 IDF and IAF soldiers have been killed. 2 of them from friendly fire.
Myst Myst 7 years
You should also post the fact that Israel is using white phosphorous in Gaza and hundreds of civilians have been burned and killed just from that. Something that's illegal to use even against their legal combatants. No one is defending Hamas here we're just pointing out the fact that it's not as black and white the media want to make it out to be and the fact that is Israel is not showing any real intention for real peace.
michlny michlny 7 years
"Israeli soldiers yesterday discovered a hand-drawn Hamas map revealing how the terror group is exploiting Gaza's civilian population by deploying snipers, booby-trapping homes and planting bombs, officials said. On the map, Hamas split up the town into three sectors - red, blue and green - and highlighted sites such as mosques, a gas station and a fuel depot, the Jerusalem Post and Yediot Ahronoth newspapers reported on their Web sites. "You can see that the neighborhood was divided into three areas of fighting, according to color, and inside, the terrorists spread out a number of posts, planted explosive devices and posted sharpshooters," Halamish said. "Inside the map, the terrorists also marked sniper positions, as well as the location of roadside bombs, anti-tank bombs and land mines." Halamish said the map showed that Hamas does not hesitate to use the civilian population in carrying out its terrorist activity. Pointing to one sector, Halamish said, "This is a civilian area, and you can see on the map how Hamas booby-trapped the entrance to homes in order to hit" Israeli forces. In another case, a large explosive device was placed next to a gas station. Had it detonated, it would have likely destroyed the site, killing and wounding civilians who live in the area, he said. Soldiers also discovered a mannequin dressed like a soldier at the entrance to a home, officials said. Had soldiers entered the home, the mannequin would have exploded, collapsing the floor and causing the troops to fall into a tunnel, where they would have been held captive by Hamas operatives, he said. " http://www.nypost.com/seven/01092009/news/worldnews/hamas_evil_map_149364.htm
dm8bri dm8bri 7 years
Condy always looks so tired. Then again, I'd be exhausted trying to do all the shit Bush has avoided for 8 years and save face. Someone get that girl to a yacht in the Caribbean! Uh-oh!
Myst Myst 7 years
I have read the Bible and Fact Egyptians weren't Muslim during that time Second I said 60 years of fighting between Israel and Palestine. Not Jews and Muslims.
StolzeMama StolzeMama 7 years
read : bible to see how jews were treated in the arab world. But ok you're right. 60 years is all the fighting there has been.
Myst Myst 7 years
well I just came back. Actually Hainan is hasn't been thousands of years of Jews and Muslims fights. Case in point: Morocco and Tunisia. Jews and Arabs have been living there centuries peacefully. Second: Spain: In 1242, the inquisition condemned the Talmud and burned thousands of volumes. In 1288, the first mass burning of Jews on the stake took place in France, and then in 1481 the Inquisition started in Spain, in Seville more than 700 Converses were burned at the stake and 5,000 repented. Once it became under Arab rules, many Jews escaped countries such as France and England and went there where relationships between the two florished. Third: Egypt and Jordan have signed a peace treaty with Israel, which both sides accepted, and obey by it, for more than 20years now. Saudi Arabia has always welcomed the state of Israel. No in here is saying Israel doesn't have the right to exist. They do. Everyone who's made argument that are Pro-Palestinian have said that repeatedly. What I and I'll leave it to my own opinion is that, the history of Israel is conflict one after 60 years people fighting nothing is going to result and the fact that Israel has violated a lot of UN sanctions and have occupied territories that were never given to them in the first place. The majority of Palestinians want a two-state solutions and are in support of the UN peace treaty that called for Israel to return the pre-1967 boarders, and the establishment of the Palestinians state in Gaza, the West bank, and its capital is in East Jerusalem. There's only a small percentage that actually backs Hamas and before these actions, Hamas was losing power in the Gaza because they failed all of the things they promised. Israel say they are interested in peace, however their actions doesn't reflect that. And that is MY primary problem with the state of Israel.
StolzeMama StolzeMama 7 years
What are you trying to say Steph. Israel? Yes they do, but in this current thread I have even said I am choosing to defend Israel, since no one on here is. Oh no, you schooled me??!!?? What? No you didn't.
stephley stephley 7 years
"Because the Palestinians believe they have and inherent right to the land." Does anyone else in the area believe they have an inherent right to the land?
StolzeMama StolzeMama 7 years
I feel i am defending Israel on here because many are choosing to place the blame solely on Israel. I do know the other side, but no one here needs to act like they know exactly what they would do put in that situation.
StolzeMama StolzeMama 7 years
I am just saying that none of you on here could even begin to understand the thousands of years the two cultures has spent fighting. Peace is not that easy to accomplish. Even if Israel kept to themselves in what is now deemed as Israel (not under Palestinian control) there still would not be peace. Because the Palestinians believe they have and inherent right to the land. Especially Jerusalem, which will NEVER be agreed upon. Hamas simply saying that they will take out the *blow Israel off the face of the Earth * clause doesn't mean anything to Israel. They have lied too many times.
StolzeMama StolzeMama 7 years
Myst you make it seem as if we are writing a check to Israeli citizens. Which is not the case. Where I disagree with the amount of foreign aid they receive, Your post blows it out of proportion. Even with the aid they receive from the us, they still don't make near what Europeans make every year per capita. I think that someone on our side in that region is still a good thing. I don't think we should have blind support, and the current administration has told Israel that they need to scale back some.
Myst Myst 7 years
So true Firefly and here's another information that most Americans don't know. We give every Israeli citizen at least $500 a year. So we are heavily invested in this. The thing that the US, Israel, and Palestinians needs to do is come together and work out on something that is workable for both Israel and Palestinians. The best solution is a two-state solutions and all parties need to seriously engage in that, instead of military actions.
Captivate Captivate 7 years
If only there was an option for "Less to fund the military, more to encourage diplomacy and peace." The US should stop sending billions of taxpayer's dollars to fund Israel's genocide-minded military. Our money created a monster just for the lunacy of our goverment.
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