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Should Hillary Quit?

The "Hillary Death Watch." Do You Want the Race Over Now?


It's everywhere. The Hillary Get Out drumbeat. Slate just launched a feature they're calling the "Hillary Death Watch" handicapping Hillary's changing chances as the graphic shows her perching atop a sinking ship. 10.3 percent ain't so good.

Meanwhile, my Sunday morning boyfriend, Tim Russert on Meet the Press had my op-ed boyfriend David Brooks on to talk about the calls for a Hillary ouster. Brooks, who said last week that Clinton "possesses the audacity of hopelessness," had a conversation bolstered in part by Sen. Patrick Leahy's comments on Friday urging her to quit and saying her attacks were hurting the party more than anything McCain had said.

But the person a Clinton plank-walk might affect most, Obama, doesn't agree! He's just said,

“My attitude is that Senator Clinton can run as long as she wants. Her name is on the ballot. She is a fierce and formidable opponent, and she obviously believes she would make the best nominee and the best president.”

Here's the burr under the saddle about the quit-brigade: this is exactly what the Democratic Party set up. The proportional delegate takes from each state, the superdelegates, it's all set up to extend the fight and give everyone a crack at choosing. Bill's even said,

“We just need to relax and let this happen. Nobody’s talking about wrecking the party. Everywhere I go, all these working people say: ‘Don’t you dare let her drop out."

I'm still seeing Hillary signs up, she's leading Obama in Pennsylvania by 10 points. What's contributing to the Hillary bloodlust? Should she quit?

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lula29 lula29 7 years
I don't think Obama has ever misrepresented his strong liberal views. It seems clear to me that he has very strong liberal leanings. What he's saying is that even with such views, there should always be room to compromise and work with the other side. The biggest disappointed of the Bush presidency is not so much his world view, but how he runs roughshod over the opinions and viewpoints of others and has even lied and manipulated the public in order to further his agenda and that of his cabinet. I support Obama, not because of the elusive "hope rhetoric" that people continue to accuse his supporters of, but because he is a liberal, which he isn't trying to hide, but willing also to listen and work with the other side and make that work open and transparent to the public. I feel this is the only way to erase some of the damage done by the current administration.
lula29 lula29 7 years
I don't think Obama has ever misrepresented his strong liberal views. It seems clear to me that he has very strong liberal leanings. What he's saying is that even with such views, there should always be room to compromise and work with the other side. The biggest disappointed of the Bush presidency is not so much his world view, but how he runs roughshod over the opinions and viewpoints of others and has even lied and manipulated the public in order to further his agenda and that of his cabinet. I support Obama, not because of the elusive "hope rhetoric" that people continue to accuse his supporters of, but because he is a liberal, which he isn't trying to hide, but willing also to listen and work with the other side and make that work open and transparent to the public. I feel this is the only way to erase some of the damage done by the current administration.
megnmac megnmac 7 years
Jillness! While I am so sad I was so busy today and missed all this fun... it is so nice to see how much coolness and logic and just fact you bring to what can become a heated debate in rhetoric. I think you've covered most of it... I just wanted to add that I hate that the stereotype of the 'typical Obama supporter' is someone caught up in hope and rhetoric or nothing... I am onboard for so many varied and nuanced reasons, and I started as someone wanting to want Hillary, and get sick of being categorized as a blind worshiper. No one I know is a blind worshiper of Obama, and the big debate around me is McCain or Obama... since v few of my Az peeps are Dem loyal! (90/10 - seriously!)
megnmac megnmac 7 years
Jillness! While I am so sad I was so busy today and missed all this fun... it is so nice to see how much coolness and logic and just fact you bring to what can become a heated debate in rhetoric. I think you've covered most of it... I just wanted to add that I hate that the stereotype of the 'typical Obama supporter' is someone caught up in hope and rhetoric or nothing... I am onboard for so many varied and nuanced reasons, and I started as someone wanting to want Hillary, and get sick of being categorized as a blind worshiper. No one I know is a blind worshiper of Obama, and the big debate around me is McCain or Obama... since v few of my Az peeps are Dem loyal! (90/10 - seriously!)
hausfrau hausfrau 7 years
Jill thanks! I think I see where people get it from now... Hypnotic - its a cupcake... kinda like you're a beefcake... grrrr! And 3M is totally right, the legs are just as fabulous as they always were!
hausfrau hausfrau 7 years
Jill thanks! I think I see where people get it from now...Hypnotic - its a cupcake... kinda like you're a beefcake... grrrr!And 3M is totally right, the legs are just as fabulous as they always were!
mymellowman mymellowman 7 years
Hypno, I think it's a cupcake and icing, but none the less, I don't believe she traded the legs in, the cupcake is just resting on the legs. :)
Jillness Jillness 7 years
I don't have the references handy right now, but in the past I have heard that during his work in the Illinois sentate, he was supportive of welfare legislation, but wanted to make sure that it also included limits like having to be actively looking for work, etc. I think his non-manditory approach to health care is also a moderate stance. He did something similar in the Illinois sentate. His first attempt at health care was more wide reaching like Hillary's plan. It didn't pass. He went back and focused the plan on children, it passed, and as a result hundreds of thousands of children had health insurance. I think part of where he gets his "moderate" label is also from being able to call a spade a spade. In an article I read that dealt with race issues, it mentioned how in his MLK Jr. speech from MLK's church, he told an African American audience that they should stop being homophobic and anti-Semetic. He also told a largely African American audience in Texas that one of the most important aspects about health care starts at home, etc. He has had many "straight up" talks with the very people he is addressing...like when he talked about emissions goals in Detroit, etc.
Jillness Jillness 7 years
I don't have the references handy right now, but in the past I have heard that during his work in the Illinois sentate, he was supportive of welfare legislation, but wanted to make sure that it also included limits like having to be actively looking for work, etc. I think his non-manditory approach to health care is also a moderate stance. He did something similar in the Illinois sentate. His first attempt at health care was more wide reaching like Hillary's plan. It didn't pass. He went back and focused the plan on children, it passed, and as a result hundreds of thousands of children had health insurance. I think part of where he gets his "moderate" label is also from being able to call a spade a spade. In an article I read that dealt with race issues, it mentioned how in his MLK Jr. speech from MLK's church, he told an African American audience that they should stop being homophobic and anti-Semetic. He also told a largely African American audience in Texas that one of the most important aspects about health care starts at home, etc. He has had many "straight up" talks with the very people he is addressing...like when he talked about emissions goals in Detroit, etc.
potc-crazyy potc-crazyy 7 years
I dunno. She needs a miracle to win. I'm really hoping for an Obama-Hillary ticket, which seems more possible than a Hillary-Obama ticket (since Hillary probably can't win, and because of Bill Clinton).But I think she has every right to stay in the race. Seriously. Many people still support her, me included.
potc-crazyy potc-crazyy 7 years
I dunno. She needs a miracle to win. I'm really hoping for an Obama-Hillary ticket, which seems more possible than a Hillary-Obama ticket (since Hillary probably can't win, and because of Bill Clinton). But I think she has every right to stay in the race. Seriously. Many people still support her, me included.
hypnoticmix hypnoticmix 7 years
cabaker27, you turned in those nice legs for soft serve and sprinkles?
harmonyfrance harmonyfrance 7 years
Jill...Honestly I think that even if Obama gets the bid (which I'm fully aware is probably what is going to happen) this is good for him. Hillary is almost doing him a favor. He's toughening up a bit. He's learning how to play the game a little better. He'll need that when he runs against McCain. I know that McCain keeps saying that he isn't going to partake in personal attacks, but you watch...they're going to throw everything they can come up with at Obama. This is good practice for him. ;)
hausfrau hausfrau 7 years
Thanks for the info Jill... I've been to his website a bunch of times, but I still feel like he isn't as moderate on the issues as people think... Do you have some examples you could share? When you're not busy at work of course! I hope I'm not coming off as argumentative, I'm not trying to, I'm really just trying to see that part of him that others see.
hausfrau hausfrau 7 years
Thanks for the info Jill... I've been to his website a bunch of times, but I still feel like he isn't as moderate on the issues as people think... Do you have some examples you could share? When you're not busy at work of course!I hope I'm not coming off as argumentative, I'm not trying to, I'm really just trying to see that part of him that others see.
Jillness Jillness 7 years
"but everything I've seen of him is that he voted hard party lines and far left on the hot button topics, like the war, immagration, etc." Well, with the exception of the legislation that he authors, most legislation that comes down the Congressional pipe tends to be pretty partisan. He has voted opposite of Clinton only 10 times, and yet I know that she voted against the Oil tax increase that a lot of Democrats didn't vote for, so hmm? Part of being President is setting and encouraging the tone of the legislation that Congress creates, so I think he would have more ability to enact the moderate philosphy he believes in. Affirmative action, for example. He believes that we should help those who have been disadvantaged, but he doesn't believe that race alone is a determining factor in that. Legislation that reflects this nuance has not been discussed in Congress yet. I will write more later...I have to get some work done now. Grrr!
Jillness Jillness 7 years
"but everything I've seen of him is that he voted hard party lines and far left on the hot button topics, like the war, immagration, etc."Well, with the exception of the legislation that he authors, most legislation that comes down the Congressional pipe tends to be pretty partisan. He has voted opposite of Clinton only 10 times, and yet I know that she voted against the Oil tax increase that a lot of Democrats didn't vote for, so hmm? Part of being President is setting and encouraging the tone of the legislation that Congress creates, so I think he would have more ability to enact the moderate philosphy he believes in. Affirmative action, for example. He believes that we should help those who have been disadvantaged, but he doesn't believe that race alone is a determining factor in that. Legislation that reflects this nuance has not been discussed in Congress yet. I will write more later...I have to get some work done now. Grrr!
Jillness Jillness 7 years
"If Obama and his supporters are convinced that he has the nomination in the bag then there shouldn't be anything to worry about." I can only speak for myself, but competition isn't what I am worried about. It is the depths to which she sinks when she fights that concerns me. I started off liking Hillary (surprise!). I just have been disappointed with the way she misrepresents Obama in an attempt to save herself. If she just focused on the issues or McCain, it would be different for me. The worse her situation has become, the less credible her attacks have become...from my perspective anyway!;)
Jillness Jillness 7 years
"If Obama and his supporters are convinced that he has the nomination in the bag then there shouldn't be anything to worry about."I can only speak for myself, but competition isn't what I am worried about. It is the depths to which she sinks when she fights that concerns me. I started off liking Hillary (surprise!). I just have been disappointed with the way she misrepresents Obama in an attempt to save herself. If she just focused on the issues or McCain, it would be different for me. The worse her situation has become, the less credible her attacks have become...from my perspective anyway!;)
hausfrau hausfrau 7 years
Jillness I don't know if you're still here... But I have learned a lot about Obama by reading your comments, so your earlier comment perplexed me... I believe you said something along the lines that Obama doesn't play partisan, he thinks for himself (I'm paraphrasing... probably badly), but everything I've seen of him is that he voted hard party lines and far left on the hot button topics, like the war, immagration, etc... there was a study that recently came out that said he was the most left of all the senators... so I'm not sure what I'm missing?
harmonyfrance harmonyfrance 7 years
It's silly to ask her to drop out. If Obama and his supporters are convinced that he has the nomination in the bag then there shouldn't be anything to worry about. The Democratic party will unite. It's a long way until the general election.
LOVE-ANGELINA LOVE-ANGELINA 7 years
Sorry, if I am acting like a witch, but politics make me cranky. I also never said that I wouldn't vote for Obama if he got the nomination but people are pushing my buttons with asking Hillary Clinton to step down. That is making me really unhappy and upset. So if Obama gets the nomination, I have to vote for a man I don't even trust or like, but then I have to listen to people ask Hillary to concede when this race isn't over with yet. That's just to much to ask for. So I really wish people would stop saying she should drop out. It would be nice if people just let the race play out. I am a Hillary supporter and your not gonna get me sugar coating anything. So I am sorry.
hypnoticmix hypnoticmix 7 years
She's not a heifer backing out of the trailer haydee. There is no grace lost in fighting to achieve ones greatest dream. Didn't your momma ever teach you that it doesn't matter what other people say. That if you believe in your self you can achieve the greatest things in life. Are all those momma's full of doo doo haydee?
haydee haydee 7 years
it's time to back down gracefully while she still can
mymellowman mymellowman 7 years
"CNN have a Republican agenda" - What CNN have you been watching?
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