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Should the Military Program JROTC Be in High Schools?

As JROTC (Junior Reserve Officers' Training Corps) enters its last (and ninetieth) year in San Francisco, a non-binding measure intended to show support for the program has qualified for the November ballot. Mayor Gavin Newsom backs the efforts to save the high school program. In 2006 the SF school board decided to stop JROTC, even though there were no complaints, mostly because they disagreed with the military's policy on gay and lesbian soldiers.

The stated purpose of JROTC is "to instill in students in United States secondary educational institutions the values of citizenship, service to the United States, and personal responsibility and a sense of accomplishment." Many students across the country take the course as their physical education (PE) credit.

For arguments on both sides of the debate,

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Arguable benefits of the program include self-discipline, teamwork, and confidence in young people who might need a boost. Critics, worried that JROTC could limit career opportunities, don't want underprivileged youth put on track for the military. But a very low number of JROTC students go into the military.

Since the program is voluntary and successful, I hope the school board reconsiders and allows parents and students to decide whether to participate. Also — JROTC gives young people who might never consider joining the military a chance to experience the benefits of civic duty at no risk. By taking away this choice, the "progressive" members of the school board betray their principles of openness.

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Lady-Boleyn Lady-Boleyn 7 years
Glad to see we agree Stephley.
stephley stephley 7 years
As long as it remains an option and not a requirement.
Lady-Boleyn Lady-Boleyn 7 years
I personally do not see the issue being one in which students are "forced" to join the military. As a teacher (I don't have statistics on this, you're just going to have to believe me), I have seen these programs in action and know for a fact that students join for a variety of reasons. One, some know that they would like to join the military eventually and want to be involved in an activity they love as soon as they can. Other students join for the values in which the program exemplifies while others join for more personal reasons. Just like other high school activities, membership is voluntary and does not go beyond high school. If a student find this program is one they enjoy, they are welcome to join it in college, just like a Democrats or Republicans Club (which are found in high schools, too). JROTC is an excellent club that should be continued if students would like to participate.
Cassandra57 Cassandra57 7 years
Thanks, cab, for providing some stats. I'm really busy today! lilkimbo: Most of scouting is still separate. That's probably better for all of them, that they have that safe zone. I just wanted to share that there were some other options, too, for the older kids. Our troop started the Venture crew because there were some really goo, gung-ho scouts who eagled and aged out. One of them has a sister who got her Girl Scout Gold award and I think she aged out of GS, too. Both parents are *very* active in scouting.
hausfrau hausfrau 7 years
This should be a poll! Oh well, next time!! :)
hausfrau hausfrau 7 years
I probably should have proofread my comments when talking about education! Ah well! :)
hausfrau hausfrau 7 years
didn't** not don't, my bad!
hausfrau hausfrau 7 years
As for the % of minorities in JROTC, I don't find a stat for that either, but there are a lot of people who make it seem like the military is made disproportionally of the uneducated and minorites and thats not the case. 65% of males in the military are white, 53% of females in the military are white. Also, people like to think that people who into the military do it because they are uneducated, which is not true. 91% of 18-24 year olds in the military have a HS diploma or higher, as opposed to only 80% of civilians of the same age. http://www.defenselink.mil/prhome/poprep2001/chapter2/c2_raceth.htm
hausfrau hausfrau 7 years
We talk about DADT a lot here and I just saw this the other day, the House of Reps will be having a hearing on it on Wednesday, the first since the 90s. http://www.advocate.com/news_detail_ektid57716.asp
True-Song True-Song 7 years
Haha, your posts do always seem to come in sets. It's like they're paragraphs.
lilkimbo lilkimbo 7 years
Maybe I just really want to be top talker! :sneaky-evil:
lilkimbo lilkimbo 7 years
:oops: Not abbreviated, hyphenated.
lilkimbo lilkimbo 7 years
:oops: Not abbreviated, hyphenated.
lilkimbo lilkimbo 7 years
:oops: I don't know why I abbreviated city kids! You guys get the idea, though.
lilkimbo lilkimbo 7 years
:oops: I don't know why I abbreviated city kids! You guys get the idea, though.
lilkimbo lilkimbo 7 years
:oops: Sorry, Laine, I was thinking of the traditional model of scouting when I commented about it not being co-ed. I guess a lot has changed since I was a Brownie in first grade!On a side note, I think 4-H is a great program to support. It teaches so many skills other than farming and actually has a lot of projects that "city-kids" would be interested in, too.
lilkimbo lilkimbo 7 years
:oops: Sorry, Laine, I was thinking of the traditional model of scouting when I commented about it not being co-ed. I guess a lot has changed since I was a Brownie in first grade! On a side note, I think 4-H is a great program to support. It teaches so many skills other than farming and actually has a lot of projects that "city-kids" would be interested in, too.
Cassandra57 Cassandra57 7 years
Also, regarding scouting: Venture Crews are co-ed. My son's Boy Scout troop just started one of those, too. I believe they have about 10 boys and 4 or 5 girls. They also extend to age 21, where regular scouting ends at 18. Scouting is much more recreational and less academic and disciplined than ROTC, even though it was started by a military man.
Cassandra57 Cassandra57 7 years
Also, regarding scouting: Venture Crews are co-ed. My son's Boy Scout troop just started one of those, too. I believe they have about 10 boys and 4 or 5 girls. They also extend to age 21, where regular scouting ends at 18. Scouting is much more recreational and less academic and disciplined than ROTC, even though it was started by a military man.
Fo-show317771 Fo-show317771 7 years
I really enjoyed the JROTC competitions back in high school. They were very entertaining.
Cassandra57 Cassandra57 7 years
I think JROTC provides an excellent program for a number of kids who might not otherwise have a clear career path. My son is both a Boy Scout and NJROTC; his call, not necessarily mine. At his high school, the demographics (based solely on my observation at year-end ceremonies) mostly match the mix at the school, although with fewer Asians and African-Americans and more Hispanics. Women are pretty well represented, and respected by their peers. I do feel this photo is not representative! But a lot of public agencies attempt to recruit women and minorities for purposes of diversity: police, fire, etc. I think this is a great program for teaching discipline and providing structure for kids. The camaraderie is evident, too. As for the weapons aspect, our HS's drill team (all female) also use rifles as well as tall flags. And the ROTC has started an unarmed drill team as well as the armed one. IMO they're less violent and aggressive than the football team.
Cassandra57 Cassandra57 7 years
I think JROTC provides an excellent program for a number of kids who might not otherwise have a clear career path. My son is both a Boy Scout and NJROTC; his call, not necessarily mine. At his high school, the demographics (based solely on my observation at year-end ceremonies) mostly match the mix at the school, although with fewer Asians and African-Americans and more Hispanics. Women are pretty well represented, and respected by their peers. I do feel this photo is not representative! But a lot of public agencies attempt to recruit women and minorities for purposes of diversity: police, fire, etc. I think this is a great program for teaching discipline and providing structure for kids. The camaraderie is evident, too. As for the weapons aspect, our HS's drill team (all female) also use rifles as well as tall flags. And the ROTC has started an unarmed drill team as well as the armed one. IMO they're less violent and aggressive than the football team.
stephley stephley 7 years
Accurate statistical breakdowns seem hard to come by on this.
LibertySugar LibertySugar 7 years
Here is a post from a while back about how the military is <a href="http://www.citizensugar.com/1568354">directly appealing to women and other minorities</a> in advertisements.
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